Salman's Suggestion For Election Manifesto
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We need to get to the root of the problem me friends.
Change the whining culture among young Singaporeans! That is the number problem in Singapore today. -
learn to put in effort like robertteh in his posts. im a slacker, im crap, i tok cok and u're worse.
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If humans don't whine, no improvements are made.
I don't suggest that we change the whining culture. Anyway, despite all the whinings, not much is being done. So, whether we change or not doesn't matter. -
Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
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If humans don't whine, no improvements are made.
No complains = Assumed to be a good system = No improvement
Its only, "To what extent should we whine?" -
Problem: Whining Nature of Young Generation
Solution:
Change the present Whining nature and through "re-create" the way that whining is performed.
"Re-Make" Whining in enterpeurship way that we can have more "whining" years ahead.
We can only "Move On" until Singapore become the Number 1 Whiners in the Guiness World of Record.
Make "whining" as part of our identity so that other can proud of the nation.
Let's be proud and whine all the way ! -
HDB made huge profits from its sale of flats and yet it is still trying to squeeze more and more profits by S-A-L-M-A-N-I-S-I-N-G the purchasers with wrongful resale levies.
It is ridiculous that citizens simply keep paying more and more profits to the HDB to no end.
Originally, in the early 1970s when HDB only charges construction costs in selling flats to people under the "Homeownership for the People" scheme at $6,200 for a 3-room standard flat and $7,800 for a 3-room improved flat, I fully agree with the levy to discourage people from taking advantage of subsidy by limiting any one who has bought HDB flat at original lowly-priced flats to one upgrading to a bigger flat or as HDB put it to one bite of the cherry.
In later years when HDB increases the price of 3-rm flat from $7,800 to $150,000 for a similar 3-rm flat and sells the 4-rm flat at $200,000, it is charging at full market price and any so-called discounts is only window dressing and not a subsidy.
HDB has lost the right from the late 1970s to say that it is subsidising its 3-rm or 4-rm sale flats. It is only through creative accounting that it is claiming to give subsidy the reason for collecting the resale or upgrading levy but it simply carried on the charging.
WP should consider adding one more item to the Manifesto : "to abolish the HDB levy and refund all levies to the purchasers especially after the HDB priced the sale prices to include land costs up to full market values and more especially after HDB resale prices have kept dropping from the HDB original sale prices. -
dont whine!!! can you support your claim with figures? if not how do we know how many whiners there are?Originally posted by Salman:We need to get to the root of the problem me friends.
Change the whining culture among young Singaporeans! That is the number problem in Singapore today. -
We don't say anything, we are labelled as apathetic.
We say something, we are labelled as whiners.
So.... how? -
The evidence is all over this forum. A bunch of good for nothin whiners who cry abt the poor but don't lift a finger to help.
Thats why whiners add to problems nad not solve problems, unlike me. -
stop making us laugh, those ppl whi had wore dentures would probably laugh their dentures off.
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Once again, you're running around our arguments in circles instead of facing us head on. How about elaborating to us what this so-called 'evidence' is that is lying 'all over this forum'? I don't see you doing that.Originally posted by Salman:The evidence is all over this forum. A bunch of good for nothin whiners who cry abt the poor but don't lift a finger to help.
Thats why whiners add to problems nad not solve problems, unlike me.
If that's not enough, you seek to aggrandize yourself by claiming that you're better than us 'whiners' by solving problems instead of adding to them. It would do well for you to get off your so-called moral high-ground and level with us instead.
Enough said. You have most effectively demonstrated the wonders of 'Salmanisation'. In the process, you've dented your own credibility, assuming you had any to begin with.
I rest my case. -
His S-A-L-M-A-N-I-S-I-N-G (for origin of this term read thread "Is en-masse wearing of a particular shirt unlawful?") or S-E-R-M-O-N-I-S-I-N-G logic is all are whiners except the one who whines about the whiners.
He has salmanised that no fare increases or rising costs have made the poor poor or the rising poor poor but the poor and the new rising poor have just become poor. -
the creative word here is 'market subsidy'....the money grabbers place a notional value of how much the land is worth if used for commercial purposes and then make certain invisible 'discounts' and wah lah, we've been subsidised...this is like robbing children of their candies...no free lunch indeed, they've eaten ours.....Originally posted by robertteh:HDB made huge profits from its sale of flats and yet it is still trying to squeeze more and more profits by S-A-L-M-A-N-I-S-I-N-G the purchasers with wrongful resale levies.
It is ridiculous that citizens simply keep paying more and more profits to the HDB to no end.
Originally, in the early 1970s when HDB only charges construction costs in selling flats to people under the "Homeownership for the People" scheme at $6,200 for a 3-room standard flat and $7,800 for a 3-room improved flat, I fully agree with the levy to discourage people from taking advantage of subsidy by limiting any one who has bought HDB flat at original lowly-priced flats to one upgrading to a bigger flat or as HDB put it to one bite of the cherry.
In later years when HDB increases the price of 3-rm flat from $7,800 to $150,000 for a similar 3-rm flat and sells the 4-rm flat at $200,000, it is charging at full market price and any so-called discounts is only window dressing and not a subsidy.
HDB has lost the right from the late 1970s to say that it is subsidising its 3-rm or 4-rm sale flats. It is only through creative accounting that it is claiming to give subsidy the reason for collecting the resale or upgrading levy but it simply carried on the charging.
WP should consider adding one more item to the Manifesto : "to abolish the HDB levy and refund all levies to the purchasers especially after the HDB priced the sale prices to include land costs up to full market values and more especially after HDB resale prices have kept dropping from the HDB original sale prices. -
Like as if you helped. You say the same things as the government - go upgrade. Talk rubbish nia. If got money to do so, who don't want? Like I said in my previous post, the courses aren't cheap. Subsidies provided if you are in a company which support the program. If not, you have to dig into your pockets to upgrade.Originally posted by Salman:The evidence is all over this forum. A bunch of good for nothin whiners who cry abt the poor but don't lift a finger to help.
Thats why whiners add to problems nad not solve problems, unlike me. -
If we don't whine, we will be "stuffed" to dead
Because we need to say those things out, then we will feel better -
Its ok to give feedback, but put your hands to help too. Its always easy to blame others. Such whiners are cheaper than dirt.
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So... how are you putting in the effort to help?Originally posted by Salman:Its ok to give feedback, but put your hands to help too. Its always easy to blame others. Such whiners are cheaper than dirt.
Your policy of salmanisation really isn't as effective as you delude yourself to be. If you want to be taken seriously, face our arguments head-on instead of running around in circles and giving yourself illusions of grandeur.
Otherwise.... trust me, the more you talk, the more your credibility goes down the drain. -
I wonder if I am feeding the troll, but there are issues which are addressed as a result of coach potato critics. These critics may not necessary be able to help even if they really want to.Originally posted by Salman:Its ok to give feedback, but put your hands to help too. Its always easy to blame others. Such whiners are cheaper than dirt.
I truly admire people with strong views and have strong convictions in holding on to what he or she believes in. Each person has his own right to his own judgment, but attacking others while stating your stand is not something ethical and appropriate. I believe it would also turn people off, and eventually affect your credibility adversely as a result. -
Medicated Oil, that's the spirit manOriginally posted by Medicated Oil:Problem: Whining Nature of Young Generation
Solution:
Change the present Whining nature and through "re-create" the way that whining is performed.
"Re-Make" Whining in enterpeurship way that we can have more "whining" years ahead.
We can only "Move On" until Singapore become the Number 1 Whiners in the Guiness World of Record.
Make "whining" as part of our identity so that other can proud of the nation.
Let's be proud and whine all the way !
Lets keep "whining" until we become the #1 "Whiners" in the Guiness World of Record.
Then we celebrate by singing " WE ARE THE CHAMPION! WE ARE THE WHINERS!"
Hey!
I started to get into the groove of the tune man!
"WE ARE THE CHAMPION! WE ARE THE WINNERS!"
Oops.... I sung abit off key........
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First of all, I thank you for inventing a new word out of me name, I take it as a compliment.Originally posted by fudgester:So... how are you putting in the effort to help?
Your policy of salmanisation really isn't as effective as you delude yourself to be. If you want to be taken seriously, face our arguments head-on instead of running around in circles and giving yourself illusions of grandeur.
Otherwise.... trust me, the more you talk, the more your credibility goes down the drain.
Secondly, what did you do to help the poor. I helped with tuition for kids and help em apply for grants. -
Stop whining about whiners. Do YOUR part.Originally posted by Salman:We need to get to the root of the problem me friends.
Change the whining culture among young Singaporeans! That is the number problem in Singapore today. -
This is like having history teachers telling you to buy LKY's books...
Brainwashing in progress. -
You mean those that provide one liners without any substantiation of their argument or the lack thereof?Originally posted by Salman:The evidence is all over this forum. A bunch of good for nothin whiners who cry abt the poor but don't lift a finger to help.
Thats why whiners add to problems nad not solve problems, unlike me.
Those that when pushed into a corner, resort to personal attacks labelling others as "beneth" them or "whiners"?
What about blatant brown nosers? -
I have posted many questions to you in various threads asking for your substantiations to your points and asking for your stand in your ambigious answers, but you chose to ignore all.Originally posted by Salman:Its ok to give feedback, but put your hands to help too. Its always easy to blame others. Such whiners are cheaper than dirt.
Are you cheaper than whiners? -
Salman, you're contradicting. Stop playing with the man in the mirror.Originally posted by Salman:We need to get to the root of the problem me friends.
Change the whining culture among young Singaporeans! That is the number problem in Singapore today.