M'sia to build cynic bridge
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I dun think so...Originally posted by snow leopard:whatever you say buddy, i'm not in the shipping industry so as long as the authorities are convinced that there is no threat and the shippers will not (or rather cannot) move up north because of the shallowness of its waters, then we can all sigh a deep breath of relieve. however, i'm just wondering, with the sand filling off ubin and the persistent objection to opening up the johor straits could there be a real concern on the part of our leadership?
Malaysia protested to our land reclamation was also due to the shipping lines? So who is the one that is not happy?
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Draft is the dept of the channel!Originally posted by snow leopard:draft in a protected channel shouldn't be stronger than those running in open waters should it? -
Has anyone noticed the pilling supports at the 2nd Link? I doubt big ships can ever steer past the bridge
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yes. we both are. we're eternal neighbours embroiled in eternal squabbles ...Originally posted by sbst275:I dun think so...
Malaysia protested to our land reclamation was also due to the shipping lines? So who is the one that is not happy? -
so the deeper the channel the stronger the draft or the other way round?Originally posted by sbst275:Draft is the dept of the channel! -
The land reclamation is affecting us as well actually... To Sembawang Shipyards... So if they wanna make noise, we are also affected in a way or anotherOriginally posted by snow leopard:yes. we both are. we're eternal neighbours embroiled in eternal squabbles ... -
Deeper the channel, the bigger the reading figure for the draftOriginally posted by snow leopard:so the deeper the channel the stronger the draft or the other way round?
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i believe the concern with straits of johor is whether it is deep and wide enough for large ships to pass through. shallowness is of greater concern than deepness hence draft if ever is a concern ought to be secondary.Originally posted by sbst275:Deeper the channel, the bigger the reading figure for the draft
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Wide? Take a look at LCK sideOriginally posted by snow leopard:i believe the concern with straits of johor is whether it is deep and wide enough for large ships to pass through. shallowness is of greater concern than deepness hence draft if ever is a concern ought to be secondary.
What abt the 2nd Link bridge?
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to be frank and honest, this is not the most inspiring of issues. i'd just wrap up my opinions. narrow as it is, low as the bridge already spanning it, as much as it allows ships to pass through, it is a potential threat to our port business, once the causeway is partially lifted. even so, it shouldn't be life and death for us ... just a big hole in our (govt's) pocket that's all.Originally posted by sbst275:Wide? Take a look at LCK side
What abt the 2nd Link bridge?
happy chinese new year! -
Actually yes there is a threatOriginally posted by snow leopard:to be frank and honest, this is not the most inspiring of issues. i'd just wrap up my opinions. narrow as it is, low as the bridge already spanning it, as much as it allows ships to pass through, it is a potential threat to our port business, once the causeway is partially lifted. even so, it shouldn't be life and death for us ... just a big hole in our (govt's) pocket that's all.
happy chinese new year!
But whatever it is, if PSA continues to stay at what it is now, being customer oritened, it may win back lost customers. See Maersk now is going to make PSA as their secondary hub for some transhipment -
Have anyone of you even notice that the ships need to pass the draw bridge if fully built?
Wouldn't that hamper the flow, on both the traffic on the bridge and shipping below it. The location of the draw-bridge also limits the size of the ships and also require regulating. If the frequency of shipping is high the draw-dridge will forever up, and if I am not wrong it's in the singapore side.
If half built.. the sea draft is very much lower and narrower. -
The problem is some part of the straits are too shallow for ships. they will have to wait for the high tide which does not support heavy shipping. Thus even the bridge is build it is only useful for small crafts and limited traffic .Originally posted by JI^guy:Well, I didn't know that but now that you said it, it makes even more sense for them to want to dismantle the causeway. Now ships can pick up their container cargo at Tanjung Pelapas and then sail to Pasir Gudang to pick up their bulk cargo with the causway dismantled. Previously, ships had to sail past Jurong Port as well as PSA so they would pick up cargo from Singapore but now, they could just bypass Singapore. However, we might have some salvation if we can somehow develop Sembawang and make prices comparable to Malaysian ones. -
No need to argue much
That 2nd Link bridge dun allow big ships to pass by, if you go notice the support structure -
The clearance of the Tuas bridge is quite low for big container ships to pass below I think...
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aiya. Not tt i want to say...
NOW i see why there're SO little malays in army NS. -
If you see the actions of the m'sian gvernments it seems like they are forcing s'pore to build the bridge.
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Malaysia has every right to do what they want with the bridge, it's their territory, it's their cash.
Singaporeans should not comment on other people's rights.
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The new 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge will be built WITH the existing Causeway remaining intact - and will serve as a MONUMENT to the crooked relationship between Malaysia and Singapore for the last FORTY YEARS.
So long as the Causeway remains untouched, it is not our business to how the Malaysian decide on the 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge.
In any case, this new 'Cynic' or 'Scenic' Bridge will in all probability link their new Immigration Centre - built on an adjacent hill behind the present Johor Railway Station - to the lower level Causeway.
Without any decision from the Singapore Government to demolish the Causeway is there any option left for the Malaysian to build a 'Straight Bridge' - that will allow for a direct and straight link to the Singapore Immigration arrival and departure gateway ?
According to the Sunday Times publish this Sunday (Page 16), reprinting parts of a letter to a Malaysian Newspaper written by a Malaysian Urban Planner familiar with the project details - the blame lies on the Malaysian Government for this sudden and urgent decision being required from the Singapore Government.
It seems that the Central Planning Department had proceeded with the Master Plan to rebuild the Immigration Building without giving too much systematic thought to all the details of the project to cover also the approach routes to this building that will require an alternative to the existing Causeway.
It was only when all the components of the plan for a new Immigration Centre was at an advanced stage that someone realised the missing link.
The writer continued that if the Malaysian Central Planners had thought out the entire project clearly, it would have alerted the Malaysian Cabinet of the need to inform the Singapore Government, and perhaps allow the Singapore side to participate in the Master Plan for the southern gateway into Malaysia.
With some degree of joint consultation and earlier participation from the Singapore Authorities, there would have been a different outcome to the present acrimonius situation that exist. -
Well, whatever it is, those working in the port must be willing to take a pay cut. The "opening" of the Strait of Johor will undoubtly increase competition for Singapore's ports now that Tanjung Pelapas and Pasir Gudang are directly linked by sea. I doubt Klang will be a major threat as it is too far up North and would not be in a position as good as Singapore for ships heading to Australia. I think our only salvation now probably lies in the biomedical sciences as our ports will probably lose out to Tanjung Pelapas and Pasir Gudang because of prices unless all our port employees are willing to take a 60% pay cut.
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Anyone ever been to the northern shore of Pulau Ubin and see how close the Johor shore is ? And why are we so actively reclaiming land in our northern shore ?
The intention is to narrow the Johor straits so that larger ships will not be able to sail through according to International shipping rule.
And its really a relief that the Malaysian Govt decides to go ahead and built the half bridge. It will only serve to show the other nations and private companies what a joke the Malaysian govt are.
If the Msian govt can go back on their words , based on the 2 water contracts signed with Spore many decades back, and changing their minds many many times during the biliteral talks, how will the private foreign companies think ? If a govt can eat their own words though a contract had been signed with another govt, whats a PTE Company to the Msian govt?
Any contracts the pte companies signed with the Msia govt can be void too.
And the decision to build the half bridge, is showing other govts of foreign nations how irrational is the Msian Govt.
Come to think of it. Msia have problems with all its neighbour. The Sipadan islands in Sabah area, collision with Indo warships. Border rows with Thailand etc.
Boy. i'm really glad that they had once again showed the world and the foreign investors ( pte companies ) how irrational is the Msian Govt. -
progress of project----DEC 2005.
1.Infrastructure works:
Infrastructure works i.e main drain , relocation works for PUB pipes and piling for Tanjung Puteri Bridge are in progress
PUB IS SPORE's PUB!!!!They are going to touch our pipes??
2.Why the main contractor has not mentioned the Scenic Bridge in the web site?
Project Components : Road Bridge
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a) Length of 1.45 kilometres, comprising:
1. 350 metres of cable-stayed portion;
2. 500 metres of marine approach;
3. 600 metres of land approach to CIQ Complex.
b) Width of 34 metres
(current width of the Causeway is 24 metres)
The Road Bridge will have dual four (4) lane carriageways to accommodate light and heavy vehicles. A navigational span will be provided with a width of 75 metres and an air draught of 25 metres. The Road Bridge will be constructed of concrete.
How they build
the bridge without touching the pipes ?? -
actually the new bridge with the curves looks okay to me. All i can say is, let them build their side of bridge and of course they have to charge toll money both ways. They have every right to do what they believe in.
If the charges are the same as tuas, then, i guess, 50% of singaporeans and malaysians will use the tuas bridge if they stay near the west. And a new JB town will surface in the west. -
All the best to the JB govt. With cheap budget air tickets to bangkok and a little bit more effort from the Batam govt, I guess we will be more willing to pay abit more to visit Thailand and get away from the rubbish and nonsense that the Msia govt had been throwing at us.
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I have a conspiracy theory .... I believe the reason why they want to build a new bridge is not just to allow commercial ships to pass thru, that just an excuse and a smoke screen.
A good analogy/riddle will be something like this.
Say there is a shallow but wide river running between your banana plantation and the forest and everynight a troupe of greedy monkeys from across will wade over and steal your precious bananas. So one day you become fed up and introduced a few buayas and piranas species into the longkang.
So in the end can the monkeys still wade over ? ... Yes they still can but it will be difficult.