M'sia to build cynic bridge
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Originally posted by Salman:
A bigot who is also condescending is already bad enough. .
We support a clean govt and down with the corrupt govt of Msia!
A bigot who is condescending and also a "no brainer" makes it worst, as he will never be responsible for the troubles that he has no clue of having caused. .
Add a mixture of silly arrogance, and the recipe for disaster is set in place. .
This is the kind of "brainless arrogant" Singapore PAPpy that is bred by PAPa - no wonder we have endless problems with our neighbors. .
You ought to be ashamed after all the upbringing by PAPa into the First World, and your behaviour is no better than that of a Third World. .
PATHETIC . .
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Why is a discussion on the M'sia's unilateral decision to build their cynic bridge ended a discussion about the M'sian and S'pore government??
If M'sia government is clean, does it mean we should then agree to build the bridge?
If S'pore governemnt is equally corrupted, why should we agree to build the bridge?
500 Million is a lot of money. should we spend that kind of money to have some scenic view, or develop friendship??
If the m'sian government managed to get singapore to come up with 500 million sing, which is over 1 bn RM, to share their costs of the bridge, they sure will get their ppl to vote for them. Better distribute 3 million singaporean citizens, I will also support the government, corrupt or not.
How does the bridge benefit singaporean??? -
No lahOriginally posted by sgdiehard:Why is a discussion on the M'sia's unilateral decision to build their cynic bridge ended a discussion about the M'sian and S'pore government??
If M'sia government is clean, does it mean we should then agree to build the bridge?
If S'pore governemnt is equally corrupted, why should we agree to build the bridge?
500 Million is a lot of money. should we spend that kind of money to have some scenic view, or develop friendship??
If the m'sian government managed to get singapore to come up with 500 million sing, which is over 1 bn RM, to share their costs of the bridge, they sure will get their ppl to vote for them. Better distribute 3 million singaporean citizens, I will also support the government, corrupt or not.
How does the bridge benefit singaporean???
Malaysian govt trying to show off that they are quite a developed country though their agriculture and automobile policies are no good...
The money could have been used to improve public transport system in JB -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
At last, a voice of reason after days of debate to knock some sense into one who allowed the grey matter to turn white into a "no brainer".
Why is a discussion on the M'sia's unilateral decision to build their cynic bridge ended a discussion about the M'sian and S'pore government??
If M'sia government is clean, does it mean we should then agree to build the bridge?
If S'pore governemnt is equally corrupted, why should we agree to build the bridge?
500 Million is a lot of money. should we spend that kind of money to have some scenic view, or develop friendship??
If the m'sian government managed to get singapore to come up with 500 million sing, which is over 1 bn RM, to share their costs of the bridge, they sure will get their ppl to vote for them. Better distribute 3 million singaporean citizens, I will also support the government, corrupt or not.
How does the bridge benefit singaporean???
Whether the Malaysian Government is corrupt or not - is it any of our business ?
As Citizens of a self-proclaimed First World Nation, we should at least have some pride to put on some delusions of First World behaviour, unfortunately Third World habits die hard with some "no brainers".
Is S$ 500MILLION so much money to build the bridge that will benefit the smooth passage of at least 500,000 people per day travelling in both directions, two way trade could be doubled from present turnover, and more importantly - what is the value we should place on a good relationship between two neighbors that are cut from the same piece of fabric ?
If we can pay S$3 BILLION to purchase Shin Corp based on some projected earnings in a very heated and competitive market that will probably require additional funds to be pumped to keep that Company afloat - is the S$500MILLION that much money in comparison ?
The amount of S$3 BILLION had benefitted ONE Thai Family, this S$500MILLION will benefit more then 500,000 people AND an increase in 2-way trade volume on a DAILY BASIS.
Is it truly that much money ? For the sake of propaganda - yes.
Do we need any further justification to move out of our inertia ?
Yes, we need to resolve some other larger issues that is hampering our development and land use - it concerns the large piece of land that the Malayan Railway is possessing, and which cuts across some very important and valuable places in Singapore.
Water is no longer an urgent issue - as long as we continue to develop new technologies to be independent from Malaysian water sources.
Airspace for our air force will no longer be an issue, with a new airbase at Changi that will allow access to a corridor to the international air space over the South China Sea for our training area.
Without tying the Railway Land into the final deal for the Bridge, it will probably take another twenty years of acrimonious dealings that will have more political repercussions on the people living on both side of the straits. -
I think the Msian govt has no class.
Jealous of other people's success.
Violate human rights.
Cannot honour contracts, violate international laws and protocol.
Unitarianism & war mongering. -
At least malaysia has more press freedom than singpore which means that malaysians somehow know a little more truth. While singaporeans knows less truth as the press freedom index for singapore is 140/167 compared to malaysia's 113/167. Less press freedom = more propagendaOriginally posted by Salman:I think the Msian govt has no class.
Jealous of other people's success.
Violate human rights.
Cannot honour contracts, violate international laws and protocol.
Unitarianism & war mongering. -
Oh come on Atobe, you want to be off topic again? Everyone in the forum knows your anti-PAP sentiment. Surely you do not need to make your feelings known in totally-unrelated threads?Originally posted by Atobe:As Citizens of a self-proclaimed First World Nation, we should at least have some pride to put on some delusions of First World behaviour, unfortunately Third World habits die hard with some "no brainers".
Is S$ 500MILLION so much money to build the bridge that will benefit the smooth passage of at least 500,000 people per day travelling in both directions, two way trade could be doubled from present turnover, and more importantly - what is the value we should place on a good relationship between two neighbors that are cut from the same piece of fabric ?
If we can pay S$3 BILLION to purchase Shin Corp based on some projected earnings in a very heated and competitive market that will probably require additional funds to be pumped to keep that Company afloat - is the S$500MILLION that much money in comparison ?
The amount of S$3 BILLION had benefitted ONE Thai Family, this S$500MILLION will benefit more then 500,000 people AND an increase in 2-way trade volume on a DAILY BASIS.
Is it truly that much money ? For the sake of propaganda - yes.
Do we need any further justification to move out of our inertia ?
Yes, we need to resolve some other larger issues that is hampering our development and land use - it concerns the large piece of land that the Malayan Railway is possessing, and which cuts across some very important and valuable places in Singapore.
Water is no longer an urgent issue - as long as we continue to develop new technologies to be independent from Malaysian water sources.
Airspace for our air force will no longer be an issue, with a new airbase at Changi that will allow access to a corridor to the international air space over the South China Sea for our training area.
Without tying the Railway Land into the final deal for the Bridge, it will probably take another twenty years of acrimonious dealings that will have more political repercussions on the people living on both side of the straits.
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Originally posted by Erwin_Rommel:
Heil Rommel,
Oh come on Atobe, you want to be off topic again? Everyone in the forum knows your anti-PAP sentiment. Surely you do not need to make your feelings known in totally-unrelated threads?
How was my post quoted by you turn out to be off-topic ? .
Did you follow the flow that developed to the point that you picked it up ? .
Even fishing at the Causeway will bring out some items related to this thread. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
if they want to build the bridge, they will have to come up their own money to build new rails on the bridge. who knows, the ktm trains will be temporary stop at JB customs for quite sometime. or better still singapore services discontinue.
Without tying the Railway Land into the final deal for the Bridge, it will probably take another twenty years of acrimonious dealings that will have more political repercussions on the people living on both side of the straits. -
Originally posted by AF2005:
The Malaysian Government undoubtedly have the money to build new rails but whether it is a viable business venture will be left to the calculation by Malayan Railway.
if they want to build the bridge, they will have to come up their own money to build new rails on the bridge. who knows, the ktm trains will be temporary stop at JB customs for quite sometime. or better still singapore services discontinue.
In order for the new rail road to cross over the Straits of Johor via the new bridge, the incline of the rail road will have to begin at a distance from the highest level of the new bridge.
This will mean that the present Johor Bahru Railway Station will need to be relocated to a new piece of land some distance away - so as to allow the train to climb up the gradual inclined to the level of the new bridge.
If the Malaysian Government decide to terminate rail service at the Johor Bahru Railway Station, the railroads into and on Singapore soil - as well as the Railway Station at Tanjong Pagar - will definitely fall into disuse.
This will allow the Singapore Government to press for Singapore's right to reclaim all the land that is no longer needed by the Malayan Railway - as provided for in the historical Colonial Documents and the Separation Agreement.
These are sensitive issues that can be used by people with political ambitions by stoking up anti-Singapoe or anti-Malaysian feelings. -
Viable business? KTM have always been complaining they have not been making profits...Originally posted by Atobe:The Malaysian Government undoubtedly have the money to build new rails but whether it is a viable business venture will be left to the calculation by Malayan Railway.
In order for the new rail road to cross over the Straits of Johor via the new bridge, the incline of the rail road will have to begin at a distance from the highest level of the new bridge.
This will mean that the present Johor Bahru Railway Station will need to be relocated to a new piece of land some distance away - so as to allow the train to climb up the gradual inclined to the level of the new bridge.
If the Malaysian Government decide to terminate rail service at the Johor Bahru Railway Station, the railroads into and on Singapore soil - as well as the Railway Station at Tanjong Pagar - will definitely fall into disuse.
This will allow the Singapore Government to press for Singapore's right to reclaim all the land that is no longer needed by the Malayan Railway - as provided for in the historical Colonial Documents and the Separation Agreement.
These are sensitive issues that can be used by people with political ambitions by stoking up anti-Singapoe or anti-Malaysian feelings.
Seems you are not reading much... The crooked bridge is ONLY FOR CARS, train will have a straight seperated bridge... -
Its all a money making scam for UMNO. The more expensive and nonsensical a project, the more chance they get to fleece of the people.
Thats how it works in Msia. Bravo! -
They rather spend money on the bridge to give jobs to the Bumiputras... You see NS Highway there is TAG and Touch N Go.. The more co offering, more bumis benefitOriginally posted by Salman:Its all a money making scam for UMNO. The more expensive and nonsensical a project, the more chance they get to fleece of the people.
Thats how it works in Msia. Bravo! -
Hi AtobeOriginally posted by Atobe:Heil Rommel,
How was my post quoted by you turn out to be off-topic ? .
Did you follow the flow that developed to the point that you picked it up ? .
Even fishing at the Causeway will bring out some items related to this thread.
I suggest you open a thread and spar with Salman. Left-wing Atobe versus right-wing Salman.
I guess most of us will love to see the outcome. -
Originally posted by sbst275:
Regrettably it "seems you are not reading much...." when you hint the same concerning my reading habit. .
Viable business? KTM have always been complaining they have not been making profits...
Seems you are not reading much... The crooked bridge is ONLY FOR CARS, train will have a straight seperated bridge...
Did you only read my posted reply but left out the reading the post which my reply was directed at ? .
For your benefit, I would quote the post that had brought my reply :Originally posted by AF2005:
As was mentioned in my response which you offered your critique, it will be left to Malayan Railway to work out if it is viable - nothing was mentioned in my post that it is viable or otherwise. .
if they want to build the bridge, they will have to come up their own money to build new rails on the bridge. who knows, the ktm trains will be temporary stop at JB customs for quite sometime. or better still singapore services discontinue. -
You certainly show progress in exceeding your "no brainer, one-liner" to "no brainer multiple lines" . .Originally posted by Salman:Its all a money making scam for UMNO. The more expensive and nonsensical a project, the more chance they get to fleece of the people.
Thats how it works in Msia. Bravo!
Is it not the same in Singapore, "The more expensive - { } - a project, the more chance it is to fleece of(f) the people" . ? .
Has it not also been for similar reasons of big capital outlays to justify the many increases in fees and charges that have been arbitrarily imposed onto the Singapore households, commerce and industries ?
Bravo for your "no brainer" efforts . . -
Are you in denial of the open corruption of Msia?
I don't see any useles expensive projects in Singapore that is corrupt, do you? -
There are too many if and too many questions. If Malayan Rail terminates its service into singapore; where will be the pipelines for water to Singapore; will the new bridge go through the present Singapore custom complex,.....the list go on. This is because the Malaysian never discuss with us the new plan!!Originally posted by Atobe:The Malaysian Government undoubtedly have the money to build new rails but whether it is a viable business venture will be left to the calculation by Malayan Railway.
In order for the new rail road to cross over the Straits of Johor via the new bridge, the incline of the rail road will have to begin at a distance from the highest level of the new bridge.
This will mean that the present Johor Bahru Railway Station will need to be relocated to a new piece of land some distance away - so as to allow the train to climb up the gradual inclined to the level of the new bridge.
If the Malaysian Government decide to terminate rail service at the Johor Bahru Railway Station, the railroads into and on Singapore soil - as well as the Railway Station at Tanjong Pagar - will definitely fall into disuse.
This will allow the Singapore Government to press for Singapore's right to reclaim all the land that is no longer needed by the Malayan Railway - as provided for in the historical Colonial Documents and the Separation Agreement.
These are sensitive issues that can be used by people with political ambitions by stoking up anti-Singapoe or anti-Malaysian feelings.
I have no doubt malaysian have the money to take on the project alone, I have no dount there can be some benefits for both sides, BUT, we don't even have enough infor about how this bridge look like and how it works to discuss, surely we cannot talk about putting $500 million or even $5 million into this kind of project.
Why are they keeping the plan to themselves? because they think it only involved them? I can't accept that there is good spirit of cooperation from this neighbour in this incident, this is not anti malaysians feelings. -
I dun see the KTM service will be affected
The SG - KL rt is the most 'profitable' for revenue cos it is the only KTM sv to charge fares based on SGD... Unless the scenario is 25 years ago -
Thinking abt it in another point is to pressurise SG..
They built PTP, yet aft 6 years, they have failed to secure more cargo, which now faces stagnent growth while Singapore and Klang is showing growth of 8% and 6% resp... So now they use the bridge to pressurise SG
The bridge can't allow ships to pass by as of the 2nd Link bridge... And they have forgotten that PSA has snatched back quite a amount of Maersk's connectivity from them
Now Johor Port Authority says medium ships can make haul services... Think he is contradicting himself, if there are few cargoes bet Johor Port and Pelabuhan Tg Pelepas, why go build 1 medium ship for haul service?... Even so, Johor Port's customers uses PSA Terminal as their hub, that's a reality they have to face -
Originally posted by Atobe:
quit complaining so much and life's maybe a lil' easier for you. please do not go off topic again. thank you.
What about the Singapore Citizens ?
We are treated like Second Class Citizens in our own home - with road speed set at a ridiculous 70kmh for normal roads, 80 to 90kmh on 3 lane roads or expressways - when the high efficiency cars can do higher speed safely so as to achieve better fuel economy.
[b] 2nd class citizens? hmmm...i certainly don't feel it this way as compared to Australia or some other nations which i have been to. in fact who is stopping you from driving faster? or perhaps its because you don't wish to fork out the money for speeding tickets? or afraid of losing your license? what is it? you do not know what is a REAL 2nd class citizen is...
Road speeds are not ADVISORY warnings of caution but are STRICTLY ENFORCED leaving Singapore Drivers without any flexibility to adjust to real time traffic conditions.
Driving along the PIE or ECP at 02.00a.m. - where no cars are sighted for long stretches, one still have to adhere to the 90kmh speed.
Have you ever tried driving along Bukit Timah Road, or Upper Thomson Road, or AMK Avenue 1, or AMK-Hougang Ave 3, or Farrer-Adam Road, or Braddell-Bartley Roads at off-peak hours in the day or in the middle of the night, when the roads are desserted or traffic very light ?
Under such road conditions, can one resist to drive an extra 10 to 20 kmh above the set limits of 70kmh that is blanket speed on all secondary roads ?
These are the areas where our traffic cops will ingeniously hide behind bushes, or seated on pedestrian overhead bridges - at odd hours of the day and night - armed with the latest midget size laser camera speed detector, to nab the Singaporean drivers trying to get home quickly after a long day.
nobody is stopping you from getting home quickly and SAFELY. perhaps you have not witnessed irresponsible drivers speeding and zig-zagging roads just to get home FASTER but resulted in a fatal accident? yeah, he managed to get 'home' faster indeed.
Most Singapore drivers lack initiative or imagination when encountered with a situation where the system breaks down.
In most other 'Third World' cities around this region, whenever traffic lights breaks down, the drivers will exercise initiative and imagination to overcome the situation; and will allow each side to have the right of way. It will be seldom that any TRAFFIC JAM will occur, and with minor accidents occurring at the most remote possibility.
Can the same happen in Singapore ? Hardly. The Singaporean Driver is accustomed to move on green, stop at red; and when the system breaks down ? Unfortunately, time and again, under the same circumstances, it is common to see the Singaporean drivers become confused, scared, and sweat as they attempt to get over the major road crossing.
Singaporeans have become so accustomed to Orderly and Organised way of Life, that they will be lost whenever the System breaks down.
Is this not the sad state of affairs with the Singaporean attitude towards POLITICS - the fear of change leading to a system breakdown ?
The fear to cross that major road crossing when the lights are out ?
are you speaking of yourself? and how often have you encountered msian's road traffic conditions? have you been stuck in a HW jam before in msia? and where there's a failure in the traffic lights do you know how chaotic it is too in msia (KL)?
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i agree. if the new bridge is jointly developed, i hope to see KTM's service improved and more new trains introduced in the SG-KL line.Originally posted by sbst275:I dun see the KTM service will be affected
The SG - KL rt is the most 'profitable' for revenue cos it is the only KTM sv to charge fares based on SGD... Unless the scenario is 25 years ago -
Perhaps you are in self-denial of corruption in Singapore.Originally posted by Salman:Are you in denial of the open corruption of Msia?
I don't see any useles expensive projects in Singapore that is corrupt, do you?
You were probably too young to be interested in politics to have heard of the Phey Yew Kok - the NTUC leader who got an NUS Student Leader Tan Wah Piow into trouble on false charges - and "Later, Phey was involved in an affair concerning corruption - (supposedly over development of the Big Splash) - and perhaps with the tacit consent of the authorities was forced to exile himself. In 1976,"
Did you hear of the names of some Ruling Party Elites - who are Government Ministers and Officials - figured in some "famous" Singapore Corruption scandalsp : Wee Toon Boon, Teh Cheang Wan, Glenn Knight ?
Is Singapore so clean after all ? -
As the ordinary Singaporean - we may not have any information about the New Bridge Project to replace the Causeway; however, how sure can you be that the Singapore Government or any of its agency also do not have any concrete proposal concerning this bridge ?Originally posted by sgdiehard:There are too many if and too many questions. If Malayan Rail terminates its service into singapore; where will be the pipelines for water to Singapore; will the new bridge go through the present Singapore custom complex,.....the list go on. This is because the Malaysian never discuss with us the new plan!!
I have no doubt malaysian have the money to take on the project alone, I have no dount there can be some benefits for both sides, BUT, we don't even have enough infor about how this bridge look like and how it works to discuss, surely we cannot talk about putting $500 million or even $5 million into this kind of project.
Why are they keeping the plan to themselves? because they think it only involved them? I can't accept that there is good spirit of cooperation from this neighbour in this incident, this is not anti malaysians feelings.
If there is no information on the new bridge, how did George Yeo come out with a figure of $500Million for Singapore to consider ? -
Originally posted by tiggersgd:
What makes you think life is so difficult, when I am having fun in this forum ? .
quit complaining so much and life's maybe a lil' easier for you. please do not go off topic again. thank you. [/b]
To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
Elbert Hubbard (1856 - 1915)
I cannot help you if prefer to read more into the topics then what has been clearly posted. .
If you prefer to think that my post has gone off topic "again" - you are entitled to your opinion and your preferred manner of reading what has been posted. .
What you see is what you get, no more and no less, it all depends on how you wish to process the information. .
If you think it is garbage in, then garbage will come out from what you process - surely you heard of the often used adage :
"garbage IN and garbage OUT" ? .