M'sia to build cynic bridge
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Why compare GDP per capita when the difference in population size is a factor of FIVE ?Originally posted by Salman:Why did you hide the GDP and per capita GDP figures and see how we compare to that crony economy with vast natural resources?
Managing a largely agricultural economy is quite different from a small industrial base.
With its resources available, it has performed far better than any other resource rich country in the various continents.
What is your "beef" against the Malaysians ?
Why do you want to carry old baggage that is a leftover from the politics of the 1960s ?
Each time you scratch at the Malaysian psychic, you are also scratching ourselves.
Both countries are a mirror image of the various races, ethicity, dialects, customs, traditions, and perhaps even cultural values too - with varying emphasis as it must be for each country with different numbers of a non-homogeneous communities in the respective countries.
Strong family ties exist on both sides of the border, and rise above the emotional political rhetoric that burst out from time to time.
Do we need irrational voices on issues that need calm thinking ? -
They are 5 times our population and they have vast natural resources, so is their GDP at least 5 times ours?
What about per capita GDP? Why do you not want to hide it from us? -
The per capita GDP is there to be clicked for each respective country - is there anything to hide ?Originally posted by Salman:They are 5 times our population and they have vast natural resources, so is their GDP at least 5 times ours?
What about per capita GDP? Why do you not want to hide it from us?
In anycase, when comparing per capita GDP - does it make any real sense that benefit the discussion in any effective way ?
What does the per capita GDP indicate in the real world ?
If you wish to embark on a hypothetical argument why do you not compare Singapore with Hong Kong - both being a city state, with no resources:
Singapore Population: 4,425,720
Total Area: 692.7 sq Km
Land : 682.7 sq Km
Water : 10 sq Km
GDP - real growth: 4.5% (2005 est)
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 0.0%
industry: 33.6%
services: 66.4%
Labor Force: 2.19 million
Unemployment: 3.4%
Hong Kong Population: 6,898,686
Total Area: 1,092 sq Km
Land: 1,042 sq Km
Water: 50 sq Km
GDP - real growth: 7% (2005 est)
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 0.1%
industry: 10%
services: 89.9%
Labor force: 3.58 million
Unemployment: 5.8%
Malaysia Population: 23,953,136
Total area: 329,750 sq Km
Land : 328,550 sq Km
Water: 1,200 sq Km
GDP - real growth: 5.1% (2005 est)
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 7.2%
industry: 33.3%
services: 59.5%
Labor force: 10.67 million
Unemployment: 3.6%
One can draw a multiple of reasons for the disparity of economic results to fit into one's specific agenda, is there any use in any discussion in this direction ?
Should it not be enough to compare economic performance based on factors that will trickle down to benefit the last man in line in the respective countries ?
For Malaysia with a labor force comprising 10.67 million, we would have to look at the sector in which the labor is applied, and which explains for the low unemployment rate of 3.6% that is comparable to Singapore's unemployment rate of 3.4%.
Is Malaysia doing a comparatively good job for its people - considering the size of the country and its population ?
If you wish to compare GDP figures, perhaps you may want to compare the GDP Purchasing Power Parity for each country:
Hong Kong at $254.2 Billion (2005 est)
Singapore at $131.3 Billion (2005 est)
Malaysia at $248 Billion (2005 est)
What is GDP Purchasing Power Parity - you may wish to ask ?
The answer given in the CIA Fact Book is:
This entry gives the gross domestic product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States.
This is the measure most economists prefer when looking at per-capita welfare and when comparing living conditions or use of resources across countries.
Do we wish to use figures that blind us to the Real World ? -
Singapore at $131.3 Billion (2005 est)
They have 5 times our population.
Malaysia at $248 Billion (2005 est)
They have vast natural resources.
Yet they have less than double our per capita GDP? My goodness! I didn't know coirruption is so bad in Msia! -
Talking abt ports, I seriously hope PSA can go the extra mile to grab back Evergreen and possible some CMA CGM's rts
And for now, they have fought back some Maersk services, for that, I think that's a great job
P.S: As I check CMA CGM's services, quite a number of services now calls Singapore... As for Evergreen, all their new services only uses PSA Terminal for South East Asia call -
Atobe, Salman, I will have to ask you two to tone down a little. Throwing names at each other makes your postings extremly childish irregardless of the content inside. So please continue your discussion as civilised as possible.
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My dad always teach me...
if wanna compare...compare with people better than us... -
10 abduls and 10 mahats cannot equal one Lee Kwan Yew.
u can throw in the megawats and watever...
Singapore is my home that i lived all my life. -
Yes indeed. I thank God everyday I'm not a Msian and have to live under crooks and fools like Mahat who tell me nonsence every otherday.
He's the one who perpetuate and strenthen NEP and yet cry crocodile tears about Malays not progressing.
To tell you the truth UMNO will never give up the NEP cos thats how they get to stay in power. They are the masters and they are telling the Malays that they cannot do w/o UMNO and its brilliant NEP. -
it is abt pricing/price/prices and this can be explained with economics which in turn can be elaborated with supply and demand; further substantiate with dollars and cents, that being said, is a primary priority in a 3rd world POV (to 'snatch' services from a 1st world) vs a top notch, world class port facilities with better services and attitude with minimal name calling and the works.
i believe during then the services that went out of singapore is due to their lack of financial support and sadly mis-communicated views. however, ties with the affected parties seemed to be getting stronger and better than before. thus, this is a good sign even if their HQ is not based in Singapore.
my...we have deviated from the original focus...but still i think the bridge is not working out unless its a joint effort.
wake up umno. -
why would singpaore wanna build a bridge so ships can bypass our ports? we would lose revenue from PSA's operations.
would singapore govt spend money to build a 'scenic' bridge that will cause us to use money so malaysia can have more ships at their ports? -
If you were to look at the recent 2 years, PSA almost snatched 1 customer away from Port Klang... But Klang was quick to retain them once they heard of itOriginally posted by Thailand_Hero:why would singpaore wanna build a bridge so ships can bypass our ports? we would lose revenue from PSA's operations.
would singapore govt spend money to build a 'scenic' bridge that will cause us to use money so malaysia can have more ships at their ports?
I dun see any synergy in the bridge on any impact to Johor Port and PTP. Otherthan Evergreen, there are no other customers that calls both ports -
Which customer is it?Originally posted by sbst275:If you were to look at the recent 2 years, PSA almost snatched 1 customer away from Port Klang... But Klang was quick to retain them once they heard of it
I dun see any synergy in the bridge on any impact to Johor Port and PTP. Otherthan Evergreen, there are no other customers that calls both ports -
CMA CGMOriginally posted by will4:Which customer is it?
This line contributes 30% of Port Klang Westport's 2.91M TEU volume -
c'mon fellow singaporeans, let's not be afraid of healthy competition/s which should only spur each other to the next level of excellence.Originally posted by Thailand_Hero:why would singpaore wanna build a bridge so ships can bypass our ports? we would lose revenue from PSA's operations.
would singapore govt spend money to build a 'scenic' bridge that will cause us to use money so malaysia can have more ships at their ports?
ships will bypass our ports (be it local or other destinations controlled by PSA) if our service levels are not up to the (world class) standards.
building the scenic bridge has environmental effects like the water will not be stagnant (or having a dam effect - currently) etc.
let's view this bridge as a next step up in our bi-lateral relationships rather than being negative about port competitions, names calling and other things like soil erosion and of course the ever so sensitive water issue and so on. -
building the bridge will affect the livelihood nof the poor malay fisherman plying his trade along the straits.
Do those buggers in KL care about the poor malay fisherman? What do they know about the plight of the poor malay fisherfolks?
I say lets keep teh straits in its serene pristine state and let the malay fisheman cintinue the life they have known for centuries. -
Since birth...i never bothered trying to understand malaysia politics and neither would i ever do so...Originally posted by Salman:building the bridge will affect the livelihood nof the poor malay fisherman plying his trade along the straits.
Do those buggers in KL care about the poor malay fisherman? What do they know about the plight of the poor malay fisherfolks?
I say lets keep teh straits in its serene pristine state and let the malay fisheman cintinue the life they have known for centuries.
I just know that my SIngapore is in safe hands.
Imagine...companies like proton...in order to help the company...the government imposed high taxes on foreign cars...and even with almost 90% of the cars in Malaysia protons...
they still can run loss after loss...
how to explain?
in malaysia i heard if chinese or indian want to open biz...must find bumi partner...in the end...wat happen? Chinese in malaysia still controling most of the economy...
while Singapore Airlines is running great profits...good times and bad...malaysian airlines can cough up losses quater after quater...and now is not even recession...imagine what happen during recession...
if malaysia blue chips can run losses during great times...i dare not imagine recessions...
back to the bridge issue...they wanna spend RM$500 million to do the bridge...they remind me of a rebellious school boy who insist on blowing his whole allowance on a ninja turtle schoolbag. -
Wisma Putra has clarified to us in a
---Minister for Foreign Affairs George Yeo's Remarks in Parliament on 2 March 2006 on the Half-Bridge
TPN(Third Party Note) that Malaysia remains committed to negotiations for a full bridge and only soil studies are being conducted. 04/03/2006 march
Have Wisma Putra feed us not so accurate info?
There are at least two 20-meter long
steel pipes of about one meter in diameter standing tall
100 m west of Johor check point and just 20 m from road .
THe pipies are for construction,not for soil studies.
Can any construction guys tell us some things.
2.We have explained to Malaysia the serious implications of a unilateral move by Malaysia to demolish its side of the causeway and replace it by a crooked bridge, however scenic.
Sorry.even the bridge on your side,you cant touch!!
3.MY put '' Water: The Singapore-Malaysia Dispute - The Facts'' in the home page of their web site. -
Does MY recongise INDEPENDENCE OF SINGAPORE AGREEMENT 1965?
If so.why this agreement does not appear on MY MFA list of agreements with Spore?,click Agreement,click Spore
2.Done this 7th day of August, 1965, in two copies of which one shall be deposited with each of the Parties.
3.May be they still think Spore belong to them.
For the Government of Malaysia:
Prime Minister [Signed: Tunku Abdul Rahman Putra]
Deputy Prime Minister [Signed: Tun Abdul Razak]
Minister of Home Affairs [Signed: DatoÂ’ Dr. Ismail]
Minister of Finance [Signed: Tan Siew Sin]
Minister of Works, Posts & Telecommunications [Signed: DatoÂ’ V.T. Sambanthan]
For the Government of Singapore:
Prime Minister [Signed: Lee Kuan Yew]
Deputy Prime Minister [Signed: Toh Chin Chye]
Minister for Finance [Signed: Goh Keng Swee]
Minister for Law [Signed: E.W. Barker]
Minister for Culture [Signed: S. Rajaratnam]
Minister for Social Affairs [Signed: Othman Wok]
Minister for Education [Signed: Ong Pang Boon]
Minister for Health [Signed: Yong Nyuk Lin]
Minister for National Development [Signed: Lim Kim San]
Minister for Labour [Signed: Jek Yuen Thong] -
What's wrong with singapore Government ? If Malaysia wants to build his half of the bridge and demolish the half of causeway just let them do it la.
Any it is their half of the bridge. As long as they rebuilt a connection to it whether it is a crooked or straight it is fine.
I think if singapore Government takes Malaysia to world court I don't think it would stop Malaysia from replacing his half of the causeway with a bridge. I think the argument would be as long as Malaysia rebuilt the connection and does not distrupt the traffic flow everything is ok. The same goes when Malaysia tried to stop Singapore from performing reclaimation of land near its border. The world court also said that Singapore can carry on work under some enviromental guidelines.
If Singapore worries that the bridge can affect Singapore ports. I don't think it will. One thing for sure I don't think big tankers or containers carrier can go through a half bridge. Further more the Second link also doesnt provide enough room for that la. Probably only some small boats can pass.
I think the only bad thing is BAD fengsui. A disrupt flow of chi from the North due to the crooked bridge.
I think Singapore Government should let Malaysia do what they like with his half of the causeway. If Singapore Government feel that it is too costly to built his half and no gain from doing so. $200 million is a big sum. I would suggest Singapore goverment to pump this money in to the charity to help the poor and needy.
Let Malaysia built the bridge and get this issue off the shelf.One less issue to argue about. -
Yes I fully agree that we should allow the Malaysians to make a big fool of themselves. Its great that they get to show their true selves.
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Lase weel,i saw two pipis like this,but 20 m tall just west of Johor
check point,clsoe to main road.
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Bridge over troubled waters
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Gerbang Selatan Bersepadu is a national project undertaken by the Government of Malaysia and managed by JKR Malaysia. -
damn...that bridge looks almost obscene...
why malaysia can think up such stuff?? -
might be a tourist spot...first and only in the world
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The bridge will represent Malaysia, crooked.
