WP Manifesto Online
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"Any peaceful demostration can turn into a violent one"Originally posted by sbst275:Peaceful demonstrations should be allowed.
Any peaceful demostration can turn into a violent one
Typical singaporean's mode of thinking - NUTS -
Justice, law and order
Mandatory sentences for offences should be removed
If that's the case, there won't be deterent against rapist or molesters, warning them what punishment would they get
A statutory criminal legal aid scheme should be set up.
Hope this will happen
Innocent persons who have been mistakenly arrested and/or prosecuted should be compensated.
Their time is wasted, yes, but how are you going to compensate their time back?
Appellate court should not enhanced the sentence of an accused person making the appeal.
Still have to see case by case basis, if the defandant has no grounds for his case, he's wasting everyone's time -
Nuts?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:"Any peaceful demostration can turn into a violent one"
Typical singaporean's mode of thinking - NUTS
Since your say the West allows demostration, see France, a peaceful one can end up with violence -
Economic policy
There should be a waiver of Goods and Services Tax on basic necessities, such as rice.
Wavier? End up you can argue what is necessites and which is not... Another thing is going to occur is huge admin work, reprog the cash register to indicate Non GST and GST purchases. Already, mum and pop shpps often are overcharged over the Non GST purchases issue. 1 way is to give a 1 time off sum of money to cushion the GST impact on the poor
Have a one-stop centre to better focus and promote the development of the SMEs.
This issue has to do more with govt linked corp controlling a big pie of the industry businesses. A country cannot go with 1 monopolising the industry -
No U-Term syndromOriginally posted by sbst275:Nuts?
Since your say the West allows demostration, see France, a peaceful one can end up with violence -
If there a chance of ppl going rowdy, then it shouldn't be allowed for peaceful march... Even the recent WTO meeting at HK, a peaceful march ends up violence...Originally posted by Cindyfeh:No U-Term syndrom
If you can allow any slips, I wun bother
But I dun want to see shops being smashed and looted in my doorstep
Another issue, why ppl are bothered with this more than bread and butter issues?
It's not that I shut such issues off, but there lots of security issues -
Singaporeans too subdued and good-boy good-girls already.. they dont dare to do too naughty things.
the manifesto, well, after browsing it, it sounds quite ok and promising on most aspects, such as the more important "bread-and-butter" issues like education, transport, prices of whatever etc.
also, the manifesto had hardly relate their examples to other countries, something whch many people like to do.. to compare this and that with other countries..
however, in the tranportation section, i saw some HK example item
Singapore shld adopt its own system of ways to run the country, and not use/follow/copy other cpuntries ideas, ie. the system shld follow the people's culture
. so this manifesto sounds quite OK..
but higher issues like securities and some taxes issues has to be reconsiderd.. -
Meng Seng..you are preparing good food for us..I awaiting ..Really good..from worker to woker.. he who use the wok..Originally posted by goh meng seng:For those of you who are interested in taking a look at Wokers' Party manifesto, you could go to the following link:
http://www.wp.sg/party/manifesto_2006.htm
Goh Meng Seng I bring along a wine then..make sure good food.. -
Society
To abolish the government grassroots organisations: Resident Committees and Citizens Consultative Committee.
Frankly speaking, the RCs still in some sense still try to create social cohension, it's the younger gen that are no longer interested in these activities
Propose a Social Cohesion Public Holiday to mark the successful integration of Singapore as a multi-racial and multi-religious society.
Many ppl will just shut off, even the "Good Neighbours Day", most wun even know there's such a day!
To set up Unemployment insurance system so as to provide a better social safety net.
I fear people will expolit this, by not getting employed
Citizens who are in dire straits should be allowed to withdraw from their own CPF to avoid abuse, withdrawals must fulfill strict guidelines and the amount withdrawn will not be entided to the 2.5% nominal interest.
If it's properly done, why not? -
Education
Replacement Of The Streaming System With A Multi-tiered Advancement System.
Streaming systen has to go. I believe students should be given free choice regardless of the O lvl results to pursue a A level cert or a Dip or a NITEC. Scrap the Special or GEP stream to allow better interaction between students due to the "class" differences in some students mindset
Co-payment by university students should be pegged at 10% of operating expenditure of local tertiary institutions.
10%... 1st, how much is the govt going to plan to subisidise teritary education?
Any tuition fee increases for tertiary institutions should be subject to scrutiny by an independent watchdog that will ensure that increases are minimal and justifiable. It is imprudent to fix a quantum for permitted tuition fee increases per year.
As what they often argue on bus fare hike, a hike is a hike. Be it a $50 or $100 rise, ppl still wun be happy -
Public Housing
Ethnic quotas governing home ownership of HDB flats should be removed.
It does no help in creating social cohension esp aft the wake of terror threats
All citizens should be able to apply directly to HDB for flats twice. The lessee has to live in both flats for 5 years each before he is allowed to sell it on the open market.
Isn't it done already? -
Public Transport
The Public Transport Council should be dissolved. All public transport including the MRT & public buses servicing major trunk/inter-town routes should be brought under a National Transport Corporation which will oversee and provide universal transport service to all.
The Transport Corporation is doing no good to passengers in some ways either.
1) Under 1 single operator, they can just use duplication as reasons to withdraw buses that duplicate with the MRT or bus svs that SBS and SMRT duplicate with each other
2) Oversee and provide? Won't they make rules to their benefit?
The National Transport Corporation should not be profit-oriented and should aim to provide public transportation service on the basis of cost and depreciation recovery.
If the operators have no objective be it to make profits, they wun find cost effective measures or introduce more bus svs to raise fare revenue. It would also mean bus fares cost will shoot up. 1 operator is dangerous as well, they wun compete for fare revenue
The National Transport Corporation should concentrate on providing trunk services.
Nope, operators have to integrate their services. Feeder svs are needed so that the trunk buses need not make rounds within the new town bef proceeding to the CBD or Ind Est, it is time consuming
Inter-town feeder bus services should be de-regulated to allow individual private operators to operate as in the case of the mini-bus system in Hong Kong.
When private operators comes in, they will cherry pick the feeder rts. The unprofitable ones they operate at 30-60 mins frequency. Neither will buses have fixed schedules based on the experience on the Scheme B buses
Public buses should be exempted from unnecessary or additional taxes as the general public will eventually be made to bear this.
Yes, SBS buses pay much higher road tax than a normal car that is below 1500cc. In Malaysia, a public bus pays abt 1/4 a 1500cc and below car's road tax value. Still, SBS is able to pay the road tax as it cost $3.29 a day -
no GST of essential items and services SHOULD be the way to go!Originally posted by sbst275:So ppl here is saying they support the way of scrapping the HDB racial quota and the unrealistic no taxing of GST on essential items?
It's not saying that I dun like the maifesto... But some can work but some wun
GST on essential items like groceries, education, utilities, medical services and EVEN DONATIONS is BU||SHIT....
if you didnt know...let me tell you...our neighbours have been doing that donkeys years ago...
if you think its unrealistic pls then explain with yr great knowledge then...
if not dont just shoot off its unrealistic...coz its already proven it can work by our dear neighbours -
its either u are ****** or you havent been to a NTUC before...the cash register only reads the barcode to indicate the price. it doesnt even add any GST to it as it is already added in and shown as the selling price.Originally posted by sbst275:Economic policy
There should be a waiver of Goods and Services Tax on basic necessities, such as rice.
Wavier? End up you can argue what is necessites and which is not... Another thing is going to occur is huge admin work, reprog the cash register to indicate Non GST and GST purchases. Already, mum and pop shpps often are overcharged over the Non GST purchases issue. 1 way is to give a 1 time off sum of money to cushion the GST impact on the poor
Have a one-stop centre to better focus and promote the development of the SMEs.
This issue has to do more with govt linked corp controlling a big pie of the industry businesses. A country cannot go with 1 monopolising the industry
giving a 1 time off sum is the most stupid way of helping. the theory is the same as give a man a fish he'll live for a day. TEACH a man how to fish and he'll live on for the rest of his live.[/b] -
Originally posted by giggs011:
Everything is GST taxed, if it's not
no GST of essential items and services SHOULD be the way to go!
GST on essential items like groceries, education, utilities, medical services and EVEN [b]DONATIONS is BU||SHIT....
if you didnt know...let me tell you...our neighbours have been doing that donkeys years ago...
if you think its unrealistic pls then explain with yr great knowledge then...
if not dont just shoot off its unrealistic...coz its already proven it can work by our dear neighbours[/b]
Say go polyclinic, it is balanced off by the subisidy... You pay $8, foreigner pay $16+
If you understand the running of run mum and pop shop, think something you dunno
When the shop purchases goods say from a GST registered supplier, say it cost $100, so w/ GST it's $105... The $5 they can claim from IRAS... If they sell it at $117, GST to be paid is $5.57. So minus off, $0.57 goes to IRAS
However, if they get from a non GST registered supplier, it would automatically cost $105. You forgo claiming that $5 from IRAS, so you have to return the entire $5.57 to IRAS
Care to explain how to get ways to ensure essential items are not taxed and give me what essential items are?
To me it can be shower cream when you can use the cheaper Lux soap, Dynamo when I buy the cheaper Mama soap powder?? -
Originally posted by giggs011:
Do you know most SMEs are not GST registered? The suppliers that supplies to NTUC might also be under this cate
its either u are ****** or you havent been to a NTUC before...the cash register only reads the barcode to indicate the price. it doesnt even add any GST to it as it is already added in and shown as the selling price.
giving a 1 time off sum is the most stupid way of helping. the theory is the same as give a man a fish he'll live for a day. TEACH a man how to fish and he'll live on for the rest of his live.[/b] -
very simple...Originally posted by sbst275:Everything is GST taxed, if it's not
Say go polyclinic, it is balanced off by the subisidy... You pay $8, foreigner pay $16+
If you understand the running of run mum and pop shop, think something you dunno
When the shop purchases goods say from a GST registered supplier, say it cost $100, so w/ GST it's $105... The $5 they can claim from IRAS... If they sell it at $117, GST to be paid is $5.57. So minus off, $0.57 goes to IRAS
However, if they get from a non GST registered supplier, it would automatically cost $105. You forgo claiming that $5 from IRAS, so you have to return the entire $0.57 to IRAS
Care to explain how to get ways to ensure essential items are not taxed and give me what essential items are?
To me it can be shower cream when you can use the cheaper Lux soap, Dynamo when I buy the cheaper Mama soap powder??
IMHO, essential items are things that you need for yr basic living...food, water, electricity, education and healthcare services
these are things which every singaporean has to get and CANNOT be avoided which is precisely the reason why they shouldn't be taxed!
and if u would...kindly take a look at the bigger picture....not at yr NTUC only...
food might be difficult to identify but surely our 1st world government has a 1st world solution to identify it.
the rest of the items mentioned above i dont see how hard it is to identify.
u can tax the luxury items for 20% but not on these items which everyone be it rich or poor needs to have. -
Shouldn't be taxed? Can you know, I can make a whole list can you can everyday be miserable go check this long list what's is what's not... Can go claim here and claim thereOriginally posted by giggs011:very simple...
IMHO, essential items are things that you need for yr basic living...food, water, electricity, education and healthcare services
these are things which every singaporean has to get and CANNOT be avoided which is precisely the reason why they shouldn't be taxed!
and if u would...kindly take a look at the bigger picture....not at yr NTUC only...
food might be difficult to identify but surely our 1st world government has a 1st world solution to identify it.
the rest of the items mentioned above i dont see how hard it is to identify.
u can tax the luxury items for 20% but not on these items which everyone be it rich or poor needs to have.
1st world govt can solve? The thing is, no one can keep track on the cash reg which item brought is not GST taxed, cos I can only key in the price and it prinys the amt GST paid though I can show them the non GST purchases invoices that is kept for the past 5 years
As for luxury item, I take it that shower cream be taxed 20%, since there's better "essential item" alternative... -
if you want to keep on harping about yr NTUC items...fine...Originally posted by sbst275:Shouldn't be taxed? Can you know, I can make a whole list can you can everyday be miserable go check this long list what's is what's not... Can go claim here and claim there
1st world govt can solve? The thing is, no one can keep track on the cash reg which item brought is not GST taxed, cos I can only key in the price and it prinys the amt GST paid though I can show them the non GST purchases invoices that is kept for the past 5 years
As for luxury item, I take it that shower cream be taxed 20%, since there's better "essential item" alternative...
i've already made it clear that im talking abt essential items as a whole not to yr NTUC only
if it is as what u've said that food is so damm hard to identify,
tell me if its so hard to identify PUB (water + electricity), EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE (polyclinics + government hospitals) -
Of course education (In the 1st place, there's edusave funds though I can say usage is still limited), PUB they can waive the GSTOriginally posted by giggs011:if you want to keep on harping about yr NTUC items...fine...
i've already made it clear that im talking abt essential items as a whole not to yr NTUC only
if it is as what u've said that food is so damm hard to identify,
tell me if its so hard to identify PUB (water + electricity), EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE (polyclinics + government hospitals)
As for healthcare, be fair... You want this, I want that, have you ever thought how much the cost can balloon to?
Food? You might as well as them to scrap the import tarrif -
isint our neighbours an outright example of HOW TO DO IT?Originally posted by sbst275:Of course education (In the 1st place, there's edusave funds though I can say usage is still limited), PUB they can waive the GST
As for healthcare, be fair... You want this, I want that, have you ever thought how much the cost can balloon to?
Food? You might as well as them to scrap the import tarrif
they have already implemented it for donkey years...
so what now?? our 1st world government is too thick skinned to learn from them? -
Neighbours? They can do it simply, cos they dun import goods much, most of the products they produce for their own market as well except on items like canned foodOriginally posted by giggs011:isint our neighbours an outright example of HOW TO DO IT?
they have already implemented it for donkey years...
so what now?? our 1st world government is too thick skinned to learn from them? -
if you can spend so much effort rebutting that this idea cannot work, why dont you spend this effort thinking HOW TO MAKE IT WORK...even if not entirely but also partially. EG: u have agreed that PUB shd be exempted.Originally posted by sbst275:Neighbours? They can do it simply, cos they dun import goods much, most of the products they produce for their own market as well except on items like canned food
a partial improvement is better than no improvement.
this short debate has just shown in general how singaporeans mind works.
they just oppose to almost any new ideas dismissing it immediately instead of thinking what it might have been if we try to implement it.
so dont complain when you lose yr jobs to foreign talents...we only have ourselves to blame for our minds being conditioned to being defensive -
For taxesOriginally posted by giggs011:if you can spend so much effort rebutting that this idea cannot work, why dont you spend this effort thinking HOW TO MAKE IT WORK...even if not entirely but also partially. EG: u have agreed that PUB shd be exempted.
a partial improvement is better than no improvement.
this short debate has just shown in general how singaporeans mind works.
they just oppose to almost any new ideas dismissing it immediately instead of thinking what it might have been if we try to implement it.
so dont complain when you lose yr jobs to foreign talents...we only have ourselves to blame for our minds being conditioned to being defensive
They have to find a way to balance off the + and -. So if I scrap the import tarrif, I have to find another alternate source to collect some of the amt back provided I'm willing to forgo it
Issue is not whether being defensive or not, sometimes ppl are just asking for this and that... Our wants is defintely can come in a long list, but it's how you control them -
any "new" concepts involves risk......is whether can you handle it....