NS Bonus to cool unhappiness over the Melvyn Tan's AWOL?
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
You are right that "one must have the passion to be an army officer to lead and win and should not be one because of the prestige or the good prospects that it brings".
The bonus will not mean a thing to me. It's about motivation.
In the battlefield, if a general were to go forward and say to his men to follow him, I'll fight alongside with him.
If every general is 10 km behind the front line moving figurines on the big map in the aircon war room and I'm to sacrifice my life in the battlefront to protect the elite and the privileged few, I'll rather make peace with the enemy.
If an army officer is no good, he's facing enemy fire in front and friendly fire from behind. It happens in all wars.
One must have the passion to be an army officer to lead and win and should not be one because of the prestige or the good prospects that it brings.
By the way, I think the NS dodger is a hero. Somtimes a hero is one with the courage to run away. I was too timid to do that.
The other motivations to be an Officer that you missed out will include:
- the desire to mould NSF men under your command, to ensure that they will be given the best training that will ensure their survival when it is time to put to use what they have been trained for;
- the desire to attend to the security of NSF men to ensure that they get the best attention 24 hours of the time that they are in the SAF - watching out for the errors that the subordinate commanders failed to note or have taken things for granted;
- the desire to shape the minds of the subordinate commanders to ensure that they execute their tasks as honestly as they possibly can, as diligently as they will give of themselves, as generously as they have received the same treatment as they expect for themselves;
- the alertness to shape and mould the unit to be a cohesive whole that will ensure the safe and successful outcome of any mission that the unit is trained for.
The Officer's role is a challenging one, and seldom is his role ever forgotten - not when he has the lives of so many in his hands.
However, the Future of the SAF is in the hands of each and every soldier, not just the Commanders only - whether they are NSF or Full Time Regular men.
The manner in which the SAF fight will depend on how much the NSF men give of himself during training, and how much he will challenge himself to tolerate the pains, the sufferings, and the tiredness of training.
The SAF is not an abstract object or a unseen being, it is a living and throbbing entity formed by each and everyone of Singapore males, who are prepared to give twenty four to thirty months of their Lives to train themselves to absorb soldiering skills and hone their animal fighting instincts to a higher acute level.
The success of the SAF to be an effective fighting unit depends not on the Commanders, but on the enthusiastic response to serve our NS with pride in OURSELVES - as we discover the hidden qualities that each of us is capable of in surviving the worst that we can find during training to be effective soldiers.
For those who have missed NS - by either running away, or genuine medical conditions - they will never know the inner qualities that they possess, the extreme limits and high endurance levels of their bodies in extreme weather, extreme conditions, and extreme psychological and physical situations.
Through NS, I found deep friendhship with new personalities during my time in NS that last longer then those of my childhood friends.
The military training has also benefitted me during my travels, which can suddenly develop into high risks situation; and with the training in acute situation awareness never fail me even when I conduct my work in foreign land - with the training helping me to understand my foreign partners and allowed me to accept the challenges to try new things that they throw at me - what can be worst then that we have gone through during the NSF days in the SAF ? -
100 or 200 per pax may be a small sum but with around 1 million saf personnel including reservists the total cost would be close to SGD250 million...that's a lot of peanuts for the government.
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In times of WAR, do you seriously expect our scholarly GENERALS to lead from the front literally?Originally posted by googoomuck:The bonus will not mean a thing to me. It's about motivation.
In the battlefield, if a general were to go forward and say to his men to follow him, I'll fight alongside with him.
If every general is 10 km behind the front line moving figurines on the big map in the aircon war room and I'm to sacrifice my life in the battlefront to protect the elite and the privileged few, I'll rather make peace with the enemy.
If an army officer is no good, he's facing enemy fire in front and friendly fire from behind. It happens in all wars.
One must have the passion to be an army officer to lead and win and should not be one because of the prestige or the good prospects that it brings.
By the way, I think the NS dodger is a hero. Somtimes a hero is one with the courage to run away. I was too timid to do that.
Leading by example reminds me of great leaders of the past:
George S Patton, Erwin Rommel, Yonatan Netanyahu and every israeli officer who gave their lives in the 6-day war and Yom Kippur.
They knew the true meaning of LEADING FROM THE FRONT. It cannot be described by such a simple word as PASSION.
Leading from the front personifies courage, honour, adversity in the face of death and much more. It can even determine the tide of battle. The battle of Kasserine Pass showed how much impact a rejuvenated Rommel meant to his badly demoralised Afrika Korps, comprehensively inflicting the first defeat on the overconfident Americans, who were expecting the Germans to be dispirited and 'easy meat' after being pushed by Monty all the way into Libya.
These cannot be encouraged by MONETARY INCENTIVES.
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Well, in the middle east wars, the Israelis did. Generals were in the battlefields to lead. Ariel Sharon is one of them. In the begining of the Yom Kippur War, Israel almost lose the war. He played a big part in turning defeat to victory. Many of the war dead were officers.
If Singapore do not have credible generals and senior officers to lead in the front and to boost the morale of the troops, they will flee in disarray. -
Do you think Singapore has an officer like Mel Gibson's character in "We were Soldiers'?
If you have to stop and think for a while, it doesn't bode too well. -
Melvin had the guts to do what he did. Period.
Whether you agree or disagree is another issue. -
how many of our ass kissing BG's ever been to war exactly? we are the only country where BG ranks are dished out like kacang putehs to guys in their 30's. look at our PM for example. became BG is his 30's. maybe his son will set a record lor by becoming BG when he is 25.
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they are paper generals.Originally posted by jurongmania:how many of our ass kissing BG's ever been to war exactly? we are the only country where BG ranks are dished out like kacang putehs to guys in their 30's. look at our PM for example. became BG is his 30's. maybe his son will set a record lor by becoming BG when he is 25. -
S$250 000 000.00 is sip sip water lah..........The gov can spend S$400K on on getting new naming ''MarineBay'' and went a big round and came using the same name. What about many other things that had been done and going to be done?Originally posted by vito_corleone:100 or 200 per pax may be a small sum but with around 1 million saf personnel including reservists the total cost would be close to SGD250 million...that's a lot of peanuts for the government.
S$250 millions is chicken feet lah.....After taken so much from us....these returns are nothing all...I would rather not having it. In fact PAP should get their grass root gays to look out for poor people around that are really really really in poverty.
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i concur.
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400K only?Originally posted by Lowclassman:S$250 000 000.00 is sip sip water lah..........The gov can spend S$400K on on getting new naming ''MarineBay'' and went a big round and came using the same name. What about many other things that had been done and going to be done?
S$250 millions is chicken feet lah.....After taken so much from us....these returns are nothing all...I would rather not having it. In fact PAP should get their grass root gays to look out for poor people around that are really really really in poverty.
I thought it was 600K? -
You are paying 5% GST while you are responsing to this topic.
The money given to us is nothing compared to what we have slogged for our life.
So, dun be so excited about the money.
It is yours in the 1st place and looks nice when lumped together.
They can recovered it back 10 times when they increased 6% GST next year.
That is what they have done for the past few years.
So, is there any hu ha about the money ? -
The money cannot even cover half of my Income tax. Its paying time again!Originally posted by Medicated Oil:The money given to us is nothing compared to what we have slogged for our life.
So, dun be so excited about the money. -
I think at least we get some money back. NS in here is nothing compared to some of our counterpart in Taiwan or Korea. They faced bigger threat.Originally posted by vito_corleone:100 or 200 per pax may be a small sum but with around 1 million saf personnel including reservists the total cost would be close to SGD250 million...that's a lot of peanuts for the government. -
no we face a bigger threat. south korea and taiwan..one chinese against chinese, the other korean vs korean. its just a matter of difference in ideology at most when one gets conquered by the other they change the name of their country, other than that, life goes on as usual whereas singapore, m'sia and indo probably cant wait to eat us up and kill everyone.Originally posted by will4:I think at least we get some money back. NS in here is nothing compared to some of our counterpart in Taiwan or Korea. They faced bigger threat. -
I disagree with you and do you have any evidence to support this preposterous accusation?Originally posted by vito_corleone:no we face a bigger threat. south korea and taiwan..one chinese against chinese, the other korean vs korean. its just a matter of difference in ideology at most when one gets conquered by the other they change the name of their country, other than that, life goes on as usual whereas singapore, m'sia and indo probably cant wait to eat us up and kill everyone. -
Spore has the best equipped army , navy n air force in the S.E Asia. If Spore faced threat, the local has a responsibility to defend the nation.Originally posted by vito_corleone:no we face a bigger threat. south korea and taiwan..one chinese against chinese, the other korean vs korean. its just a matter of difference in ideology at most when one gets conquered by the other they change the name of their country, other than that, life goes on as usual whereas singapore, m'sia and indo probably cant wait to eat us up and kill everyone. -
Isn't it obvious. Although very little but still a try.
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to hell with him, he's such a quitter...even his concert he fly all the way here he got no balls to continue with the concert...
me and my buddies just completed our 2 Mths of RT sia...
some more this year i got MOBs and field camp coming up...
that cheebye pay some money than can escape NS.
Call himself a singaporean! I dont know why some people defend that Ahole by saying people like him make singapore famous and make singapore well known...
Theres nothing singaporean about him and he gave up his citizenship at first opportunity and converted to British citizenship. What the heck has he got to do with us here?
I spit on men like him. -
It is quite obvious that the word "forgive" does not exist in your dictionary.Originally posted by Thailand_Hero:to hell with him, he's such a quitter...even his concert he fly all the way here he got no balls to continue with the concert...
me and my buddies just completed our 2 Mths of RT sia...
some more this year i got MOBs and field camp coming up...
that cheebye pay some money than can escape NS.
Call himself a singaporean! I dont know why some people defend that Ahole by saying people like him make singapore famous and make singapore well known...
Theres nothing singaporean about him and he gave up his citizenship at first opportunity and converted to British citizenship. What the heck has he got to do with us here?
I spit on men like him. -
I think many local resent the idea of going to NS but in the case of this person, heOriginally posted by Thailand_Hero:to hell with him, he's such a quitter...even his concert he fly all the way here he got no balls to continue with the concert...
me and my buddies just completed our 2 Mths of RT sia...
some more this year i got MOBs and field camp coming up...
that cheebye pay some money than can escape NS.
Call himself a singaporean! I dont know why some people defend that Ahole by saying people like him make singapore famous and make singapore well known...
Theres nothing singaporean about him and he gave up his citizenship at first opportunity and converted to British citizenship. What the heck has he got to do with us here?
I spit on men like him.
felt if he went back to NS, he might not have the chance to practice piano. -
At least he know what he wants and not following blindly to the system. I don't think many have the guts to do that. Look at the size of the army, can you count how many reluctant soldiers inside? If singapore were to go to war or being attacked do you think these reluctant soldiers can fight for Singapore?Originally posted by will4:I think many local resent the idea of going to NS but in the case of this person, he
felt if he went back to NS, he might not have the chance to practice piano.
I feel that most people serve the army because they still want to keep their singapore citizenship. If they really don't want to serve they can just give up singapore citizenship and go some where to carry on thier lives. This is freedom of choice.