Cartoon of Mohammad creates International Row.
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because jerusalem was the birth place of jesus and the muslims ATTACKED it first to remove all historical recordings that jesus left behind, So the crusades must of course liberate it lo, Like US force germany back during WW2Originally posted by iveco:There would be no reason for Saladin to go to war if the Franks had not come to Jerusalem.
In fact, the Crusaders killed more Jews than the Muslims did. It was also the Christian monarchs who expelled the Jews from Europe during the Reconquista. -
Amusing to learn someone with a *ahemz* "reputation" in this forum choose to hit back when clearly it is not directing at him. That shows your "intelligence", I must sayOriginally posted by iveco:You aren't better yourself, dickhead.
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I am sure you do know that Jesus is one of the great prophet in Islam, so as to quote you, to remove all historical recordings, I find it does not make senseOriginally posted by Agenda:because jerusalem was the birth place of jesus and the muslims ATTACKED it first to remove all historical recordings that jesus left behind, So the crusades must of course liberate it lo, Like US force germany back during WW2
In Islamic history, Jerusalem is considered one of the 3 great Islamic cities & the oldest among the three.... -
we got loud guitars and big suspicions
great big guns and small ambitions
and we still argue over who is God
hey there
miscreation
we all need a revelation
coz it's hard to make a stand
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It's already expained in detailed length & still you find Quran insulting other religions?Originally posted by Salman:Err.. Muslims insult other religions all the time.
The Quran itself condemns other religions.
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told you alreadyOriginally posted by blurberry:It's already expained in detailed length & still you find Quran insulting other religions?
those trolls are only here to make trouble, dont you see their continuing stupid remarks despite having facts shoved in their face?
do what many here have been doing
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actually, as in most other religions, it's the maniacs who purposely misinterpret their holy books in order to serve their own twisted (and often political) ends that i find insulting..
not the religion itself, but the *&@%@$ who use religion as an excuse for their misdeeds and lust for power..
and this is not a monopoly of any religion..Originally posted by blurberry:It's already expained in detailed length & still you find Quran insulting other religions? -
I assumed you have the actual interpretations of the meaning "jihad" distorted. You seem to use the word freely & baselessly without logicOriginally posted by Salman:There is no evidence of what you said. If they were willing, there would be no need for jihads at all.
On the contrary, all evidence and logic pointed to forced conversions under jiahd and Islam spread by the sword in the middle east, Caucasus, Africa and Europe.
Had there been no Crusades, Europe would be Muslim today.
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It's alright. I was under the impression that you were referring trolls as others who posted in the defence of their own religion under mindless attack...Originally posted by laurence82:told you already
those trolls are only here to make trouble, dont you see their continuing stupid remarks despite having facts shoved in their face?
do what many here have been doing
ignore them
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It is you who are trying to distort the meaning of jihad.Originally posted by blurberry:I assumed you have the actual interpretations of the meaning "jihad" distorted. You seem to use the word freely & baselessly without logic
Anyway, you are drifting away from the subject & hijack this thread to pursue your own thoughtless agenda
Millions have been killed throughout the ages in the name of jihad. You gonna tell me that jihad does not involve violence? -
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Lets say some kook turns up with a new religion and say Muhamad was a great prophet under his religion and then sack Mecca. Do you think he has the right to do that under such claims?Originally posted by blurberry:I am sure you do know that Jesus is one of the great prophet in Islam, so as to quote you, to remove all historical recordings, I find it does not make sense
In Islamic history, Jerusalem is considered one of the 3 great Islamic cities & the oldest among the three....
You see how illogical you Muslims are?
Come to think of it, Muslims are desecrating and destroying the temple grounds to eliminate all historical evidence of the Jewish temple. Why do you think they need to do that? -
Aah....Scrolled through the forums, came across many of your mindless, biased & lame posts, realized it is not worth engaging in intellectual discussions with trolls like you, so I would not bring myself down to your stupidity level & entertain clowns like youOriginally posted by Salman:It is you who are trying to distort the meaning of jihad.
Millions have been killed throughout the ages in the name of jihad. You gonna tell me that jihad does not involve violence?
Enough said.....
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There you go, running away when confronted with reality.
No amount of denial can change the ugly history of islam my friend.
All this violence from the protest, the church burnings, attacks on embassies, threats of beheading will simply add more to it by the day. -
I think we have all been very tolerant, careful and sensitive.
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Not running away....the simple truth is it is not worth discussing with trolls. You couldn't even accept & understand simple facts, plus the fact you do make an a.s.s of yourself, so why bother?Originally posted by Salman:There you go, running away when confronted with reality.
No amount of denial can change the ugly history of islam my friend.
All this violence from the protest, the church burnings, attacks on embassies, threats of beheading will simply add more to it by the day. -
The simple fact is, islam spread largely by the sword under the banner of jihad just as terrorism is commited under the same banner today. Go study you history and stop denying.Originally posted by blurberry:Not running away....the simple truth is it is not worth discussing with trolls. You couldn't even accept & understand simple facts, plus the fact you do make an a.s.s of yourself, so why bother?
Another simple fact is, you are running away because you can't handle reality and is now giving some cheap excuses about trolls.
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The language that is used in this thread runs perilously close to incitement of discontent in one or more communities. Be careful that the Sedition Act is not applied on you.
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I am scanning all these protests all over the world.
One banner says behead those who insult Islam.
Another threatens another 911.
Churches and Christians were attacked.
Western embassies attacked.
Its like these people are crying over cartoons and saying 'how dare you accuse us of violent behavior, we will kill you for that'. This is ridiculous!
Fanatics in the middle east took cartoons and printed it in booklets for inflamatory propaganda. The original cartoons had only 12 pictures but these propagandisst added another 3 to make it 15. These three new pics are the most inflamatory.
I am surprised that these fanatics actually picked on such a flimsy thing and use it as an excuse to riot! They should have just ignored it rather than give so much publicity to it.
Extremism shld not be tolerated or they can take anything from tudung to cartoons to words to start unrest and there will be no end to it. -
I agree with the Boston Globe.
But there are some degrees of difference and sensitivity to be applied.Radical interpretations of religion have no place in our world today, because they strike at comparative freedoms which form the very core of modern society. -
I have ever seen a publication in Malaysia which contains cartoons which are sacrilegious to Christianity.Christians there din't protest or behaved like what Mulims did.Are Mulsims specially different from other religion believers?
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This tit-for-tat spat is simply running full circle.
During the crusades, the christians 'blindly' followed the call of their holy Pope and went to war against pagans and Islam.
Today, blind faithfuls of Islam are heeding the call of JIHAD by one OSAMA bin Laden to strike down the 'infidels'.
If the Muslims display their violent tendencies based on an overexaggrated cartoon of their prophet (which was incidently printed over 4 months ago and only recently brought up by some offended party), then i marvel at the ease it takes to manipulate them en masse. -
dear billy, get your history right.
The Crusades came in direct response to 300 years of jihads. The middle east and north Africa was Christian lands to begin with before the jihads. The Christians finally struck back after the sultan banned Christians from pilgrimages to Jerusalem. The crusaders were not blind.
Neither were the jihadhists blind. They were rewarded with land, booty and slaves with every successful jihad. Those who were martyred in the process were promised a direct passage to heaven. -
by resorting to such violent behavior they are only proving that what the danish cartoonists said are true..that muslims are indeed violent. if islam is to be projected as a religion of peace then the violence must be stopped.
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[quote]Originally posted by Salman:Originally posted by Salman:
It is you who are trying to distort the meaning of jihad.
Millions have been killed throughout the ages in the name of jihad. You gonna tell me that jihad does not involve violence? [/quote]
How much have you researched on the subject of 'Jihad' before displaying the typical 'no brainer' characteristic - now made worst with bigotry ? .
Are your thoughts based on your every day reading of the violence and terrorism that seems to have been the acts of those oppressed Muslims frustrated by their status quo that existed for the last 60 years - while the entire world moved on ?
Some extracts from a thesis on "On Jihad and Holy War" interpretations from Muslim Chaplain at Georgetown University, and other Muslim Clerics based in the USA :Chapter 2, verse 190: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors.
This portion of the Qur'an was written in about 606 C.E., when the Prophet Muhammad and his followers were under attack in the city of Medinah, says Imam Yahya Hendi, a Qur'anic scholar who is the Muslim chaplain at Georgetown University. There, they had established their own state. But various coalitions of non-Muslim tribes--including Christians, Jews, atheists and animists--continued to go to war with them. This portion of the Qur'an explains their reasoning behind striking back.
The passage actually refers to a defensive war. "You fight back. You go as far as it takes to stop the aggression but you do not go beyond that. So if you have to, you go as far as fighting verbally to get someone out of your home--but you don't shoot him after he is out. You don't keep going on with it--only if you are attacked, if there is an oppression applied to you. The idea is that justice prevails. You don't fight because you enjoy fighting, but because there is an oppression.
"It could be military force or [in today's world] it could be media force, writing against you. But when the hostilities are over and the enemy offers a peace treaty, you should submit. Muslims are obliged to submit to a peace treaty offered by the enemy. You don't keep fighting."
Al-Hajj Talib 'Abdur-Rashid, imam of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem, says the word jihad has its origin in the verb jahada which means to struggle, to fight. The word has a few different connotations, since struggle can occur on several levels.
"Muslims understand these levels based not only on the words of Allah in the Qur'an, but also on the authentic statements of the Prophet Muhammad as recorded in our oral traditions, preserved as hadith," he says. According to 'Abdur-Rashid, there are three levels of jihad:Personal Jihad: The most excellent jihad is that of the soul. This jihad, called the Jihadun-Nafs, is the intimate struggle to purify the soul of satanic influence--both subtle and overt. It is the struggle to cleanse one's spirit of sin. This is the most important level of jihad.
Verbal Jihad: On another occasion, the Prophet said, "The most excellent jihad is the speaking of truth in the face of a tyrant." He encouraged raising one's voice in the name of Allah on behalf of justice.
Physical Jihad: This is combat waged in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. We are commanded by Allah to lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone, but also to defend ourselves against oppression by "fighting against those who fight against us." This "jihad with the hand" is the aspect of jihad that has been so profoundly misunderstood in today's world.
Chapter 2, verse 256: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
This passage has been cited to justify expelling non-Muslims from Muslim countries. But Imam Hendi says that not only does the Qur'an avoid any such suggestion, it even prohibits aggressive efforts to convert. "No Muslim is allowed to go out and force people to become Muslim. In the early days of Islam, Jews came to Islam and had younger children and asked Muhammad if they could force Islam on their children because they are younger. This verse [which was] revealed to him says that there can be no compulsion on other religions. This is very clear.
What's more, fundamentalist Muslims seldom cite the passages of the Qur'an which are quite religious pluralistic.
Lets say some kook turns up with a new religion and say Muhamad was a great prophet under his religion and then sack Mecca. Do you think he has the right to do that under such claims?
You see how illogical you Muslims are?
Come to think of it, Muslims are desecrating and destroying the temple grounds to eliminate all historical evidence of the Jewish temple. Why do you think they need to do that? What kind of "brilliant" nonsense are you espousing with this line of thought that leads to nowhere ? .
Your wide brush paint all Muslims on this globe in one broad stroke from your personal 'small minded' view of the actions of a frustrated group of Young and Politicised Muslims in the Middle East. .
It will be bigotry on both sides that will cause a Clash of Civilization; and only the bigots will prevail on each other, while the innocent will be hurt most.
Is it not uncommon of your self-delusion that others are running away when confronted with your self-delusionary view of "reality" ? .Originally posted by Salman:There you go, running away when confronted with reality.
No amount of denial can change the ugly history of islam my friend.
All this violence from the protest, the church burnings, attacks on embassies, threats of beheading will simply add more to it by the day.
Only your 'no brainer' can believe in the dillusionary and ludicrous concept of the "MAJORITY of ONE" - and you are living it to the hilt. .
By the way, are you running away from the thread - "Petroleum Companies Make Runaway Profits" ? .
Too long a coffee break with those "black crude" does not do any good to your accusation of others "running away from reality" . .