Singapore coffee shop forced to remove anti-Danish sign
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in sg which plc discriminates on nationality?Originally posted by lwflee:Yes, but descriminating on grounds of nationality is very common in today's modern world. The idea of nationhood is built upon that premise.
To discriminate agaisnt race, is however, a different matter. One has some say and may have some recourse towards altering one's nationality. You are stuck with your race. -
Are you perhaps saying that I am ignorant? Or have i misunderstood you?Originally posted by skeujin:if his action is due to personal reasons. he pick one hell of a wrong time to display it.
ignorance is the root of all problems... -
Hmmm...ALL plcs discriminate on grounds of nationality because it is the law. Generally, Non-singaporeans need a work permit to work in singapore.Originally posted by skeujin:in sg which plc discriminates on nationality?
Now, let's look at some public institutions. NUS, NTU make fopreigners pay more i believe. What about HDB then? I am quite sure there are restrictions on foreigners buying HDB flats. -
im not sayg yr ignorant.Originally posted by lwflee:Are you perhaps saying that I am ignorant? Or have i misunderstood you?
u mentioned tt he mite have had a personal dislike for danes n nuthg to do w the current issue.
im sayg if he really did it outa persoanl resons during this period thn he is dam ignorant to the fact of wat he mite stir up. -
all those r laws passed to makes sure singaporeans have jobs and homes to stay in.Originally posted by lwflee:Hmmm...ALL plcs discriminate on grounds of nationality because it is the law. Generally, Non-singaporeans need a work permit to work in singapore.
Now, let's look at some public institutions. NUS, NTU make fopreigners pay more i believe. What about HDB then? I am quite sure there are restrictions on foreigners buying HDB flats.
y foreigner pay more for education is cause fees for locals r subsidised by the govt. if u got to other countries its the same thing. -
Now perhaps I have not expressed myself clearly. I said that he is just taking a stand against somethign he disagrees with IE the cartoons.Originally posted by skeujin:im not sayg yr ignorant.
u mentioned tt he mite have had a personal dislike for danes n nuthg to do w the current issue.
im sayg if he really did it outa persoanl resons during this period thn he is dam ignorant to the fact of wat he mite stir up.
As he can boycott danes, so can I proactively support danish goods. In both cases, we are taking a stand for something we believe in. -
Which is my point. Discrimination of grounds of nationality is common and it is what the whole premise of nationhood is built upon. It is not unheard of or taboo.Originally posted by skeujin:all those r laws passed to makes sure singaporeans have jobs and homes to stay in.
y foreigner pay more for education is cause fees for locals r subsidised by the govt. if u got to other countries its the same thing.
some US shops boycotted french goods for a while i believe. The world did not end then, and it will not end now. -
u can do yr personal boycott as long as its not in public view n does not create unrest.Originally posted by lwflee:Now perhaps I have not expressed myself clearly. I said that he is just taking a stand against somethign he disagrees with IE the cartoons.
As he can boycott danes, so can I proactively support danish goods. In both cases, we are taking a stand for something we believe in.
he created unrest.
only a small spark is required to start a fire. a cartoon has already made world news and threatens peace.
imagine wat happens if a dane brings a sign tt says. i do not want support a muslim cafe in front of the cafe? -
Please distinguish between discrimination and protectionism.
One serves to protect certain groups, while the other is a biased, unjustifiied offensive against selected people.
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discrimination is a degradetory term. please understand the word b4 u use it. its somethg tt is frowned upon. not sumthg tt nationhood is built upon.Originally posted by lwflee:Which is my point. Discrimination of grounds of nationality is common and it is what the whole premise of nationhood is built upon. It is not unheard of or taboo.
some US shops boycotted french goods for a while i believe. The world did not end then, and it will not end now.
unless u understand this. i shall not bother to continue this dicussion here. -
I think freedom of speech or pushing the boundaries of public debate are just sorry excuses for what they have done.
Potraying an Islamic terrorist has a different meaning from potraying Mohammed as a terorrist. It implies Islam is the root cause of it all. I beg to differ, and really it doesnt resolve the issue of a minority who use violence to achieve their ends.
Do you really think the Iranians, who are of Aryan descent and not Semitic people, are really fighting for Palestinian/ Muslim cause? Are Syrians fighting a Jewish/ Muslim war, or will getting rid of Israel help them achieve their dream of Greater Syria, which include Lebanon, pre Israeli Palestine, Jordan, Iraq and Kuwait?
Frankly, they had the ability to see the root cause of this terrorism does not neccessarily lie in the Palestinian conflict, but the nationalism or fundamentalism of few maniacs. So, while the cartoons are done in bad taste, its also done without much reflection. -
I will start a buy & serve Danish campaign.
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Precisely the pt. It is easy for one to view it from the perspective of a non-muslim;most of us being one ourselves. However, if we do put ourselves in the shoes of a muslim; where the most sacred prophet of our religion has been openly mocked in crafted caricatures and defended by a shambolic ideal called 'freedom of speech', then it isn't really that amusing.
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Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of Buddhists, Hindus and Christians feel what they felt for what Muslims do to them thru history and up till today?
Talk about sensitivity.
I have come across so much anti Christian, Jewish and Hindu literature by Muslims, and these are sold openly in Muslim circles and on the internet. There is this teaching among Muslims that Bible is full of porno and that the Bible is corrupt. In fact, that is the very foundation of Islam, otherwise the quran will fall apart because both books contradict each other.
I think Muslims ought to stop playing hypocrites about hurt feelings when they themselves are hurting others. Why do these people think they have the monopoly to question and criticise others? What is the logic? They think islam is superior? That others need to respect their religion and they don't need to respect other people's religion or human rights? -
Well put. When the Talibans destroyed the ancient Buddhist statues in afghanistan, there was no uproar or a frenzy of violent reaction from the Buddhists. Why are the reactions by the muslims always violent and destructive?Originally posted by Salman:Have you ever put yourself in the shoes of Buddhists, Hindus and Christians feel what they felt for what Muslims do to them thru history and up till today?
Talk about sensitivity.
I have come across so much anti Christian, Jewish and Hindu literature by Muslims, and these are sold openly in Muslim circles and on the internet. There is this teaching among Muslims that Bible is full of porno and that the Bible is corrupt. In fact, that is the very foundation of Islam, otherwise the quran will fall apart because both books contradict each other.
I think Muslims ought to stop playing hypocrites about hurt feelings when they themselves are hurting others. Why do these people think they have the monopoly to question and criticise others? What is the logic? They think islam is superior? That others need to respect their religion and they don't need to respect other people's religion or human rights? -
And people of a certain race/religion still always accuse us of not understanding their race/religion? How to, when they do things like these?
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the shop commit an illegal action under the race law. Could be quite serious, as its a racial act against the danish people.
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we shouldnt get ourselves embroiled in such issues.
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And you need to destroy the govt? What a joke!Originally posted by dragg:we shouldnt get ourselves embroiled in such issues.
I think we do need to get involve and stop all this bigotry. I will take note of this restaurant and have a chat with the owner on tolerance and racial harmony. -
And vice-versa my friend.
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Yes, he will probabaly tell me how the Danes hurt their feelings, then I will tell him how Muslims have done worst things to hurt other people's feelings and ask him why he didn't care and see what he says about that.Originally posted by Quincey:And vice-versa my friend.
If he's sincere, he will just keep quiet.
If he's a bigot, he'll throw a temper. That will be religious arrogance and we don't need to pity this guy or about his stupid feelings. -
That shop must be taken to task by the law. The owner is a bigot and blindly follows the actions of his overseas muslim brethens. He has no regards for the fact that we are a multi-racial, multi-religious society and must be made aware of this. He must be made an example of...... otherwise others like him may follow suit.Originally posted by AF2005:the shop commit an illegal action under the race law. Could be quite serious, as its a racial act against the danish people.
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it is sad that mainstream muslims don't do enough to curb extreme views. when the 9/11 event happened, the west were quick to point out christians have the kkk. however the difference is that mainstream christianity condemned them and even took action against them. someone mentioned jewish orthodox settlers are also extremists, but the isreali govt do act against them and forcibly remove them. but with the muslim terroists, muslim governments basically just roll over...shame on them...
it must be give and take, you want to be respected, then you must also respect others... -
i mean we, singaporeans need not get ourselves embroiled in the danish issue.Originally posted by Salman:And you need to destroy the govt? What a joke!
I think we do need to get involve and stop all this bigotry. I will take note of this restaurant and have a chat with the owner on tolerance and racial harmony. -
Now your not anti Muslim are you Count?
How can you call Muslims terrorists? Now you even accuse these Muslim govts of condoning them. You have no right to criticise Muslims and hurt their feelings no matter what my friend. You are politically incorrect! You will provoke anger and attract bombs and when the bombs come, you will only have yourself to blame because you have insulted them.