Singapore coffee shop forced to remove anti-Danish sign
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We are global citizens my friend. We have a stake in this world and we need to care.Originally posted by dragg:i mean we, singaporeans need not get ourselves embroiled in the danish issue.
Thats why we always compare with other countries and we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore. -
ya la ya la.Originally posted by Salman:We are global citizens my friend. We have a stake in this world and we need to care.
Thats why we always compare with other countries and we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore. -
The thing here is we want peace with all countries worldwideOriginally posted by Salman:We are global citizens my friend. We have a stake in this world and we need to care.
Thats why we always compare with other countries and we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore. -
It is good that public report such display of racism or descrimination regardless of reason and cause.
We are in Singapore, and we should all be "educated" enough, to make sound judgement on issues that can potentially monger hatred.
I believe that true religions, don't advocate war and hatred, unless it is politically tainted. -
Originally posted by Salman:
You must be very clever to direct attention at being "Global citizens" - when we cannot even have the political rights as Citizens of an Island Republic .
We are global citizens my friend. We have a stake in this world and we need to care.
Thats why we always compare with other countries and we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore.
We have a stake in this world - but even a bigger stake in Singapore and the Politics of Singapore which we need to care even more .
Why should we compare with other countries - and not emulate the Level of Social-Political Culture that they enjoy as Citizens of their Worlds ? .
Why should we compare with other countries - and "we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore" ? .
Is it not odd that while comparing with other countries, we do not make any attempt to bring Singapore completely into the reality of being truly a "FIRST WORLD" ?
Is your loyalty with Singaporeans and Singapore , or are you emptying Singapore of loyal Citizens and leaving the shell of a country to be freely abused by the arrogance of the POWER OF ONE ? .
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Originally posted by Atobe:
We do have political rights. Thats why there is democratic elections, that is why PAP needs to woo our votes. They need to suck up to us for our votes.
You must be very clever to direct attention at being "Global citizens" - when we cannot even have the political rights as Citizens of an Island Republic .
Thats right brother, thats why we need to oppose this bigotry right here in our country.
We have a stake in this world - but even a bigger stake in Singapore and the Politics of Singapore which we need to care even more .
Why not? We do compare and I think we are great. Thats hwy you and I are Singaporeans today. If you don't like it, you can go.
Why should we compare with other countries - and not emulate the Level of Social-Political Culture that they enjoy as Citizens of their Worlds ? .
Why should we compare with other countries - and "we can migrate too if we don't like Singapore" ? .
Singapore is first world, unlike Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan etc who are thrid foruth and fifth world.
Is it not odd that while comparing with other countries, we do not make any attempt to bring Singapore completely into the reality of being truly a "FIRST WORLD" ?
Is your loyalty with Singaporeans and Singapore , or are you emptying Singapore of loyal Citizens and leaving the shell of a country to be freely abused by the arrogance of the POWER OF ONE ? . -
wow. i didnt expect Samar to do such a thing.
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Expect the unexpected my friend.Originally posted by sinicker:wow. i didnt expect Samar to do such a thing.
I too was surprised when the friendly mamak down at my office celebrated 911.
I was stunned man!
A friend of mine too was stunned when a kid she taught support 911 attack and think its good. All the Chinese kids in class were stunned too.
Its sad isn't it? Imagine an innocent 10 year old being told that wrong is right and right is wrong by loving parents, relatives, religious teachers around them. As a ten year old, they are defenceless against such lies. When they grow up they have a wrong sense of morality and all of us ask why. -
I think the owner of the shop had did nothing wrong. He did not initiate force against anybody. The shop is his property and he should be able to do anything with his shop. Since he don't welcome danish then he is just trying to kill his own business.Originally posted by casefan:That shop must be taken to task by the law. The owner is a bigot and blindly follows the actions of his overseas muslim brethens. He has no regards for the fact that we are a multi-racial, multi-religious society and must be made aware of this. He must be made an example of...... otherwise others like him may follow suit.
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there is no way to tell how serious racism is in singapore because our govt does not tolerate it.
a small sign of trouble and they step in. -
This sounds like thought crime to me. Just because the does not welcomes danish onto his property, the police ASSUME that he is going to attack danish people.
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^people around me said, "serves america right" and "now den they get their retribution" my mom, my dad.. after 9/11.Originally posted by Salman:Expect the unexpected my friend.
I too was surprised when the friendly mamak down at my office celebrated 911.
I was stunned man!
A friend of mine too was stunned when a kid she taught support 911 attack and think its good. All the Chinese kids in class were stunned too.
Its sad isn't it? Imagine an innocent 10 year old being told that wrong is right and right is wrong by loving parents, relatives, religious teachers around them. As a ten year old, they are defenceless against such lies. When they grow up they have a wrong sense of morality and all of us ask why. -
Religious extremism is a clear and present threat to Singapore, ever since JI and related Islamic extremists infiltrated Southeast Asia. I totally support Police coming down hard on this Arab Street coffeeshop.
Over the long term, the effective way to avoid religious extremism is to undermine religion and promote secularism. Religious leaders right now have undue influence over believers who can't think straight for themselves. -
Even if the shop is his property, he is bound by the law and morality. So, even if he turns it into a bomb making factory, it is alright since it is his shop and he should be allowed to do anything with it? By putting up that anti-Danes sign, he is guilty of racism.Originally posted by Libertarian:I think the owner of the shop had did nothing wrong. He did not initiate force against anybody. The shop is his property and he should be able to do anything with his shop. Since he don't welcome danish then he is just trying to kill his own business. -
Yes he can make bombs on his property. There is nothing wrong with it. The only problem will be if the bomb explodes and injures someone then he has initiated force and shall be punished. Yes he is racist but did he actually initiate force against anybody? If not, he shall not be punished because if he is being punished then the government will be the ones that initiate force against him in the first place.Originally posted by casefan:Even if the shop is his property, he is bound by the law and morality. So, even if he turns it into a bomb making factory, it is alright since it is his shop and he should be allowed to do anything with it? By putting up that anti-Danes sign, he is guilty of racism. -
Originally posted by Libertarian:
He broke his pledge. Its says regardless of race language or religion remember?
Yes he can make bombs on his property. There is nothing wrong with it. The only problem will be [b]if the bomb explodes and injures someone then he has initiated force and shall be punished. Yes he is racist but did he actually initiate force against anybody? If not, he shall not be punished because if he is being punished then the government will be the ones that initiate force against him in the first place. [/b]
Racism is also immoral to say the least.
I'm a liberal myself, but I don't think racism is a hallmark of liberalism. Liberals can't be racist. We believe in multiculturalism and inclusionsims. Having a no Danish sign isn't cool man. You dig bro? -
Did you say "promote"? Promote should be a non coercive thing. And "promote" should not be infringing on his right to life and propertyOriginally posted by dracky:Religious extremism is a clear and present threat to Singapore, ever since JI and related Islamic extremists infiltrated Southeast Asia. I totally support Police coming down hard on this Arab Street coffeeshop.
Over the long term, the effective way to avoid religious extremism is to undermine religion and promote secularism. Religious leaders right now have undue influence over believers who can't think straight for themselves. -
Firstly i'm not a liberal. I'm a libertarian. I agree that racism is immoral but punishing a man that has not initiated force on others is even more immoral. He did not physically hurt anybody right? then why he needs to be phycially punished?Originally posted by Salman:He broke his pledge. Its says regardless of race language or religion remember?
Racism is also immoral to say the least.
I'm a liberal myself, but I don't think racism is a hallmark of liberalism. Liberals can't be racist. We believe in multiculturalism and inclusionsims. Having a no Danish sign isn't cool man. You dig bro? -
He wasn't punished. He was just told to take that discriminatory sign away.
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what if he refuses to remove the sign or after he removed the sign and still refuse to serve danish customers? will he be punished. That is his business and he should be able to run his business any way he want unless he initiated force or hurt other people. He can even says that he will not sell coffee to the president even the president pays him $100 for a cup of coffee. At the most only he will lugi right??
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discriminationOriginally posted by Libertarian:I think the owner of the shop had did nothing wrong. He did not initiate force against anybody. The shop is his property and he should be able to do anything with his shop. Since he don't welcome danish then he is just trying to kill his own business.
employers who advertise job vacancies, stating 'chinese only' or 'disabled need not apply' or 'for men only' better have good reasons why when MOM come knocking on the door
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what if he brands some groups or even libertarians and bars them from his place?Originally posted by Libertarian:what if he refuses to remove the sign or after he removed the sign and still refuse to serve danish customers? will he be punished. That is his business and he should be able to run his business any way he want unless he initiated force or hurt other people. He can even says that he will not sell coffee to the president even the president pays him $100 for a cup of coffee. At the most only he will lugi right??
what he did is divisive and potential destructive...no difference then in the 60s when bigots have signs that says 'colored not welcomed'..... -
I agree. Such discrimination by Samar can never be tolerated. We can never have liberty with such racism.
Was the owner of Samar punished? Nope.
Would he be punished had he not taken the sign down? Yep, but not physically.
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So the danish can publish any type of comics on their newspaper right? After all, the comics did not initiate force on others nor did the cartoonist physically hurt anybody right? Why do muslims around the world want them dead?Originally posted by Libertarian:Firstly i'm not a liberal. I'm a libertarian. I agree that racism is immoral but punishing a man that has not initiated force on others is even more immoral. He did not physically hurt anybody right? then why he needs to be phycially punished?
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The danish newspaper should be able to publish anything they like, that's their newspaper, its their business, they should be allowed to put any dribble they like, the most they lugi right?Originally posted by Libertarian:what if he refuses to remove the sign or after he removed the sign and still refuse to serve danish customers? will he be punished. That is his business and he should be able to run his business any way he want unless he initiated force or hurt other people. He can even says that he will not sell coffee to the president even the president pays him $100 for a cup of coffee. At the most only he will lugi right??