Middle East muslims are too extreme.
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Recently,a Holland newspaper advertise a picture that humiliate the muslim god(i dont know what is the name of muslim god
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Some muslims are very extreme,not happy they kidnap ppl n chop of their heads.Otherwise put a bomb in the pubs n blow up the whole buildings,of coz,killing ppl inside as well(For example,in Indonesia).Dont they know that their behaviour will bring more despising views from those who are non-muslims?Post your views about the recent incidents take place in the Middle East. -
Oh well, anyway middle east has alot of oil.....
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Yes... Even though i believe that it is wrong for the Danish company to provoke them by printing the cartoon and muslims around the world have the right to feel angry. But they should not react by attacking foreign missons. This suggests that the muslim religion preaches violence and not peace, love etc... Moreover, they feel that it is alright to blow themselves up among innocent people in the name of god or whatever and the printing of a mohammad is like a unforgivable sin.. Doesn't make any sense at all! Some even call for the total destruction of a nation or even race... the ironic part is that their quran tells them to be peace-loving people.. I feel that they are too extreme and should take a step back and ask themselves why are they acting like this.
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Put it this way
As a singular event, its uncalled for the Danish newspapers to use freedom of speech as an excuse to mock a religion, worse, to put Islam and terrorism in the same light by potraying Mohammed as a terrorist.
But if you look at the overall picture, i think the rest of the world no longer empathise with the Muslims. One main reason is the excessive violence committed, not by all, but a significant number of Muslims, from the likes of Osama to the protestors who burned down Danish embassy in Beirut.
The second important reason of course, is the desecration of religious places by some Muslims, that are left ignored by the rest of the Muslim world, and which members of the religions concerned did not incite violence or protest vehemently. A lot of people see it as hypocrisy on the part of Muslims.
I think this event is regretable, but I rather the Muslims make a stronger stand against violence. -
Its not just the middle easterners, Muslims in this region do exactly the same thing too.
I just heard a report that up to 10,000 Christians were murdered by fanatics for their faith in Indonesia over the last few years but these were either covered up or not widely reported. -
Where did you get your report from? I'd like to read it, thanks.Originally posted by Salman:Its not just the middle easterners, Muslims in this region do exactly the same thing too.
I just heard a report that up to 10,000 Christians were murdered by fanatics for their faith in Indonesia over the last few years but these were either covered up or not widely reported. -
you doubt the report?
I heard it on an online radio program.
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Eh, Drawer, it was the Danes, not the Dutch who published those cartoons.
True, the rest of the world no longer feel empathy for the Muslims anymore due to their excessive reaction. Did the Catholics go on a rampage over Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons? We FORGAVE him instead. -
Well, these things move in cycles i guess. Thumbing through the pages of history, one can see that just about every major religion(including christianity, through its crusades) had its share of extremists who commited actrocities against innocent men, women and children. So much bloodshed in the name of god.
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"Donate to the NKF? No problem! Just let me build up my own reserves to last me 10 years first."
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Ivevco,Originally posted by iveco:Eh, Drawer, it was the Danes, not the Dutch who published those cartoons.
True, the rest of the world no longer feel empathy for the Muslims anymore due to their excessive reaction. Did the Catholics go on a rampage over Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons? We FORGAVE him instead.
I don't really think Catholics forgave Dan Brown for "the Da Vinci Code" or "Angels and Mortals" yet. Sure, they didn't go on a rampage, probably because there is nothing good to rampage on, and because the Pope wouldn't want to damage his image of cooperation with other people and other religious groups aka ecumenism. But there is still, I should say, a strong degree of resentment against Brown, which results in promotion of certain Brown critiques in the Catholic News over others. If you noticed, any book on Brown the newspaper promotes is the most virulent criticism of him, hardly the "objective, scholarl discourse" the paper claims it is. Such resentment shows lack of forgiveness.
And IMHO, I am Roman Catholic.
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Islam | Christianity conflict has been so deeply deeply rooted, since day one of Gaza strip conflicts with Isreal, for sacred grounds since ancient times, US/UN sanctions and involvement for fuel etc.
Its not just abt these comics, this is just a trigger that sparks a chain of events, and in this period of high tension, at a time like this, where technology wires anything so effectively internationally, the Dannish ppl really asked for it. You all watch the movie by Brad Pit and Orlando Bloom - was it Trojan or something, Bloom eloped the Queen and triggered a war , Bloom asked for it.
They claim freedom of speech and expression, but their insensitivity transcends borders to ppl of diversed believes and culture, is forcing insults down their throats and asking for reaction, isnt it passive aggressive? US is now still bombing Muslim states. Reaction in violence cannot be humanely correct, but cant be entirely unexpected in this case, given the inclination towards violence. Why put yourself in the spot when , when u can see it coming.
Some Brit or US TV station broadcasted a song gloating over Chinese being washed off during the Tsunami disaster right? It was dried out in no time. When would they learn that they cant get away everytime? Some things save for bedroom whispers, freedom of expression under the blankets would save lifes. Beyong that learn to respect others would mean to respect lifes, yours and millions of others. -
its not that they are too extreme. its that we singaporeans are too hum ji.
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Even so, our response was civilised compared to that of the Middle Easterners. Ayatollah Khomeini wanted Salman Rushdie's head because the latter wrote Satanic Verses, which was deemed blasphemeous. JP2 and Ben 16th would never do such a thing. Even Mehmet Agca was forgiven for his attempt on JP2's life in 1980.Originally posted by pikamaster:Ivevco,
I don't really think Catholics forgave Dan Brown for "the Da Vinci Code" or "Angels and Mortals" yet. Sure, they didn't go on a rampage, probably because there is nothing good to rampage on, and because the Pope wouldn't want to damage his image of cooperation with other people and other religious groups aka ecumenism. But there is still, I should say, a strong degree of resentment against Brown, which results in promotion of certain Brown critiques in the Catholic News over others. If you noticed, any book on Brown the newspaper promotes is the most virulent criticism of him, hardly the "objective, scholarl discourse" the paper claims it is. Such resentment shows lack of forgiveness.
And IMHO, I am Roman Catholic.
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they're just a disgrace to their religion. too bad
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[quote]Originally posted by drawer:
[b]Recently,a Holland newspaper advertise a picture that humiliate the muslim god(i dont know what is the name of muslim god ).
ALLAH is the name. -
Oh.....thanks,i have a very bad memory,probably it is a sign of me getting old already.Originally posted by dragg:[quote]Originally posted by drawer:
[b]Recently,a Holland newspaper advertise a picture that humiliate the muslim god(i dont know what is the name of muslim god ).
ALLAH is the name. -
Ya,this is also exactly what i think,they are too fanatic n too extreme.I mean how can they burn down other country Embassy just becoz the Danes publish some stupid picture.I believe some country's media also have humiliated other religions like Christinity or Buddism,but i believe even they got protest,those believers from these religion are not that extreme n violence as the middle-east muslims.Originally posted by free thinker:Yes... Even though i believe that it is wrong for the Danish company to provoke them by printing the cartoon and muslims around the world have the right to feel angry. But they should not react by attacking foreign missons. This suggests that the muslim religion preaches violence and not peace, love etc... Moreover, they feel that it is alright to blow themselves up among innocent people in the name of god or whatever and the printing of a mohammad is like a unforgivable sin.. Doesn't make any sense at all! Some even call for the total destruction of a nation or even race... the ironic part is that their quran tells them to be peace-loving people.. I feel that they are too extreme and should take a step back and ask themselves why are they acting like this.
By the way,i dont like the way our media n government react to the incident.They seem to side the middle-east muslim even though they burn down the Dutch embassy,so g@y!!! -
to begin with you don't even know what you're talking about. it was a danish newspaper, it wasn't so recent, the violent reaction of muslim mobs was also limited to a few hundred or a thousand people, not like 100,000 soldiers invading a foreign land, and continuing to bomb that country in the name ofOriginally posted by drawer:Recently,a Holland newspaper advertise a picture that humiliate the muslim god(i dont know what is the name of muslim god ).Anyway,the demonstrators in the middle east go n burn down the Embassy building of Holland,and the demonstration also fill with violence.
Some muslims are very extreme,not happy they kidnap ppl n chop of their heads.Otherwise put a bomb in the pubs n blow up the whole buildings,of coz,killing ppl inside as well(For example,in Indonesia).Dont they know that their behaviour will bring more despising views from those who are non-muslims?Post your views about the recent incidents take place in the Middle East.
i)freedom
II)weapons of mass destruction
iii)terrorism
what happens now in iraq? how about testing freedom of speech in western world? how about i suggest an equal number of westerners be killed by bombing? will freedom of speech exist in that case?
you see it only works one way.
when you say "Middle east muslims are too extreme" you're just being racist because once again due to the actions of a few middle eastern muslims you thought all of them are like that.
but due to the actions of a "only" a few hundred thousand americans, brits and aussies, among others, you don't stereotype them as anything violent. in fact you'd rather praise them as heroes.
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I ALMOST agree with you and think this is the first time i saw a rational post in relation to brewing tension in the world of politics.Originally posted by free thinker:Yes... Even though i believe that it is wrong for the Danish company to provoke them by printing the cartoon and muslims around the world have the right to feel angry. But they should not react by attacking foreign missons. This suggests that the muslim religion preaches violence and not peace, love etc... Moreover, they feel that it is alright to blow themselves up among innocent people in the name of god or whatever and the printing of a mohammad is like a unforgivable sin.. Doesn't make any sense at all! Some even call for the total destruction of a nation or even race... the ironic part is that their quran tells them to be peace-loving people.. I feel that they are too extreme and should take a step back and ask themselves why are they acting like this.
you see both these extreme reactins, IMHO, are wrong. freedom of expression does NOT exist in any part of the world, nor did it ever exist. ONLY the extent varies, but freedom is curbed.
then isn't danish and other european solidarity with supposedly "freedom of speech" absurd? also isn't it absurd that because one newspaper published it, all danish citizens are boycotted?
i dont support either of these extremes sorry to say.
it's not wise to boycott ALL danish products, goods, etc because one newspaper published it. and especially to burn down embassies where most people are innocent doesn't help at all.
I'm sorry in this case you're wrong in saying "middle east muslims are too extreme". I'd say both sides were wrong in going to such extremes. -
What the danes did are unpopular speech and it is protected under freedom of speech. The danes did not physically attack the muslims so the danes shouldnt be physically attacked by the muslims.
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what freedom of speech protection are you talking about? we may as well say what americans did to iraq or afghanistan was not protected under ANY law nor what israel did to violate UN resolutsions time and again?Originally posted by Libertarian:What the danes did are unpopular speech and it is protected under freedom of speech. The danes did not physically attack the muslims so the danes shouldnt be physically attacked by the muslims.
can denmark's freedom of speech allow me to say "bomb equal number of americans, danes and britons for bombing iraqis innocent children, equal numbers, not more not less."
tell me if it allows me to.
if denmark's law applies only to danes and within denmark, they shouldn't pull in a foreign figure from middle east, like the prophet muhammad, respected by so many muslims.
in that case, denmark's laws can not apply if they're involving nondanish persons. right?
you see danes are thinking only from their own views, and saying oh we're right, only our laws apply and muslims SHOULD do this and SHOULD NOT do that.
who decides what SHOULD and SHOULD NOT be done? surely not just one country or culture, or just the western countries? it should be from all around the globe? but if we follow your arguments, does the whole world decide it? or just the western countries's laws?
like i said before, both sides went to extremes and i don't like either of their responses.
but in sgforums, most forumers are avowedly antimuslim and prowestern. any particular reason for that? oh oic, singapore as an INDEPENDENT coutnry can't protect itself, so it needs not only western powers on its backyard, to take care of its defense, economy, politics etc etc but also needs to mollycoddle some tiny d!ck of an american.
let's see if you believe my above paragraph is protected by freedom of speech. or let's see if mods or anybody else thinks i'm free to speek what i like.
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maybe this may help somewhat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4694272.stm
Last Updated: Wednesday, 8 February 2006, 19:36 GMT
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Indian painter sorry for nude art
By Nick Bryant
BBC News, Delhi
This is not the first time Mr Husain's work has caused controversy
India's most famous artist has apologised for a painting in which he represented the country as a nude goddess.
Maqbool Fida Husain also promised to withdraw the controversial painting from a charity auction.
Hindu nationalist groups had accused the artist of hurting their religious sentiments.
Mr Husain had donated the painting to a charity auction to raise money for the victims of the South Asia earthquake.
Police complaints
India is often portrayed in popular culture and arts as a mother goddess.
But the 90-year-old artist took that a controversial step further by painting the goddess without any clothes.
In response, two hardline Hindu groups lodged formal police complaints.
It is not the first time that India's most famous contemporary artist has provoked the ire of Hindu nationalists.
Ten years ago, there were huge protests in Mumbai after he painted a whole series of nude Hindu goddesses.
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Ok,so it is Denmark,not Holland.But whatever,u seem to hate the freedom of speech n turn yourself into an @ss-kissing dictatorial type of ruling.Let me tell u something,in this world,anyone has the right to speak of anything.Better to speak up than to keep everything to yourself n make yourself "communication-breakdown" with other ppl!!!Of coz,if u speak-ill of other ppl,then u have to bear the consequences n the responsibility,but that is another matter.But most importantly,it is better for u to speak up,than keep quiet.Becoz bad ppl will take advantage of your silent!!!Originally posted by protonhybrid:to begin with you don't even know what you're talking about. it was a danish newspaper, it wasn't so recent, the violent reaction of muslim mobs was also limited to a few hundred or a thousand people, not like 100,000 soldiers invading a foreign land, and continuing to bomb that country in the name of
i)freedom
II)weapons of mass destruction
iii)terrorism
what happens now in iraq? how about testing freedom of speech in western world? how about i suggest an equal number of westerners be killed by bombing? will freedom of speech exist in that case?
you see it only works one way.
when you say "Middle east muslims are too extreme" you're just being racist because once again due to the actions of a few middle eastern muslims you thought all of them are like that.
but due to the actions of a "only" a few hundred thousand americans, brits and aussies, among others, you don't stereotype them as anything violent. in fact you'd rather praise them as heroes.
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It was common for the Muslims in (Singapore, Malaysia + Indonesia) till the 70Â’s to practice a more tolerant and compassion form of Islam. Its a fact that South ArabiaÂ’s Wahabism Influence created a more extreme form which unfortunately had penetrated some of our muslim brothers. Regrettably none of the governments in these countries, including Singapore had earlier detected South ArabiaÂ’s negative influences. The changes were so obvious and yet our leaders were blind!