Summary about terrorism
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it not abt since we already get on the anti-terrorists wagon, it we MUST get tough with terrorists. you sound like it a wrong move by the goverment to crack down on JI and it become a liablility.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, I agree, we should never allow them to push us around, true. But Since we've already hopped onto the Anti-terrorists Wagon, we will have to carry on being vigilant.
Once you start spending - you gotta keep paying....
we should be worried if the goverment is not going to clamp down on terrorist activities becos we will be place in uncertain and defintely in a country where safety doesn't exist.
preventive is always greater then remedy.
in this case it a money that is defintely worth and must be spend. -
Which brings me back to my initial posting; how come, China isn't so anti-terrorists? I mean, I don't hear or see them proactively digging up big fat terrorist worms?Originally posted by strikefreedom:it not abt since we already get on the anti-terrorists wagon, it we MUST get tough with terrorists. you sound like it a wrong move by the goverment to crack down on JI and it become a liablility.
we should be worried if the goverment is not going to clamp down on terrorist activities becos we will be place in uncertain and defintely in a country where safety doesn't exist.
preventive is always greater then remedy.
in this case it a money that is defintely worth and must be spend. -
Probably because China isn't completely surrounded by Islamic countries, unlike Singapore and Israel.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Which brings me back to my initial posting; how come, China isn't so anti-terrorists? I mean, I don't hear or see them proactively digging up big fat terrorist worms?
A side note, I don't think the USA is the best authority to fight the war on terror. It is better for a multilateral task force under the UN to do so. -
Since we're on the topic of terrorism; don't you think that our government should be mindful of them targetting HDB flats than MRT stations and large financial institutes to blow up?
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when did we join US in the attack on Iraq? clamping down and waging war is two different things. there are so many countries that doesn't approved the war, but still clamp down on terrorists does that mean they are in the same league as the terrorist since they don't follow US?Originally posted by iveco:He is trying to say that a military solution in itself will not work in the long run. There has to be some room for negotiation.
The Americans gave us no choice but to follow their lead, or risk being put in the same league as the terrorists. Anyone remember Bush's speech when he said "Either you are for us or against us"?
clamping down terrorist is the job of every goverment and it not for the sake of polishing any particular ass. -
they have their own problem with the muslim chinese around xinjiang area for years if you don't know as they want to be an independent state if i didn't remember wrongly.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Which brings me back to my initial posting; how come, China isn't so anti-terrorists? I mean, I don't hear or see them proactively digging up big fat terrorist worms?
and if they really want to clamp down on dissidents they can be very tough on them, don't forget the famous Tian An Men Shi Jian. -
I don't know, but I'm of the opinion that Bush is a war-hawk.
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terrorists can strike anywhere but if they want to inflict damage, they will inflict something that will hurt the goverment badly that why the terrorists target the World Trade Center rather then any downtown residential area.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Since we're on the topic of terrorism; don't you think that our government should be mindful of them targetting HDB flats than MRT stations and large financial institutes to blow up?
will you choose to bomb a hdb housing estate or will you bomb the building in Shenton Way? even if you want to destroy human life, mrt will still a better target since it will not only kill alot of ppl but most imptly it will disable the service for a pretty long time. -
Nowhere have I confused the war on terror and the Iraq war. Bush probably did.Originally posted by strikefreedom:when did we join US in the attack on Iraq? clamping down and waging war is two different things. there are so many countries that doesn't approved the war, but still clamp down on terrorists does that mean they are in the same league as the terrorist since they don't follow US?
clamping down terrorist is the job of every goverment and it not for the sake of polishing any particular ass.
I am of the opinion that the war on terror was derailed by the occupation of Iraq by US forces. Not to mention that many countries felt uneasy over the campaigns in Afghanistan. -
ah i do agree with you this timeOriginally posted by iveco:A side note, I don't think the USA is the best authority to fight the war on terror. It is better for a multilateral task force under the UN to do so.
yeah but then the thing abt UN is they are always so divided in everything. it like their job is to go in and be the happy policeman after war have been wage. 
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well it more like Bush is trying to use it as an excuse to remove saddam from power. but no matter who invade who, the job of our goverment is to keep terrorist at bay no matter what happen. that is the main point that we should be concern.Originally posted by iveco:Nowhere have I confused the war on terror and the Iraq war. Bush probably did.
I am of the opinion that the war on terror was derailed by the occupation of Iraq by US forces. Not to mention that many countries felt uneasy over the campaigns in Afghanistan. -
Err.. I'd think that the MRT stations and all important buildings in Singapore are too well guarded. So instead, causing widespread panic by blowing up residential buildings can also cripple economy. No?Originally posted by strikefreedom:terrorists can strike anywhere but if they want to inflict damage, they will inflict something that will hurt the goverment badly that why the terrorists target the World Trade Center rather then any downtown residential area.
will you choose to bomb a hdb housing estate or will you bomb the building in Shenton Way? even if you want to destroy human life, mrt will still a better target since it will not only kill alot of ppl but most imptly it will disable the service for a pretty long time.
Imagine, thousands end up in the streets after an HDB building gets decimated, because everyone is fearful to stay home. Work will be affected, public services will be overloaded, and the rest I can leave it to imaginations. -
I'm baffled, as to why the authorities didn't think along this line?
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Well, we might never know which building will be targeted next. Hence alertness is a necessity. A suicide bomber could well detonate himself in the HDB town centres, couldn't he?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Err.. I'd think that the MRT stations and all important buildings in Singapore are too well guarded. So instead, causing widespread panic by blowing up residential buildings can also cripple economy. No?
Imagine, thousands end up in the streets after an HDB building gets decimated, because everyone is fearful to stay home. Work will be affected, public services will be overloaded, and the rest I can leave it to imaginations. -
You know; just imagine, lets say a 40 storey HDB flat, ok, blow up the supporting beams in the void deck - what happens? Imagine.. just imagine...Originally posted by iveco:Well, we might never know which building will be targeted next. Hence alertness is a necessity. A suicide bomber could well detonate himself in the HDB town centres, couldn't he?
Then after that, the aftermath, the panic, the lost of trust or faith, what do you think will become of ordinary public people? De-stabilized. Once that happens, employees won't be able to turn up for work, so on and so forth.
I'm no terrorist mastermind, any kid can dream up a plan like this. All you need, is to cause panic and lost of faith. Lost of confidence. -
well guarded? then shouldn't the airport in US even more well guarded? then how come they can hikjack those planes?
remember never take thing for granted, there is no such thing as well guarded no matter where you go. as long as they have the intention of blowing up something, they sure will get their way to it if we are not careful or we take thing for granted.
having the mentality of well guarded so they won't bomb it like living in a world of illusion. they can choose to bomb hdb also but it won't be on top of their bombing list.
if you are a terrorist will you bomb something significant and causes the goverment to come after ur ass or will you choose to bomb something that is not so significant and have them come after ur ass?
you won't do a money losing business nor will osama will do a money losing business isn't it? -
USA was too laxed. They were too confident, warnings send to them were unheeded and taken as a joke or empty-threat. They THOUGHT, they had everything under control. But NOT.Originally posted by strikefreedom:well guarded? then shouldn't the airport in US even more well guarded? then how come they can hikjack those planes?
remember never take thing for granted, there is no such thing as well guarded no matter where you go. as long as they have the intention of blowing up something, they sure will get their way to it if we are not careful or we take thing for granted.
having the mentality of well guarded so they won't bomb it like living in a world of illusion. they can choose to bomb hdb also but it won't be on top of their bombing list.
if you are a terrorist will you bomb something significant and causes the goverment to come after ur ass or will you choose to bomb something that is not so significant and have them come after ur ass?
you won't do a money losing business nor will osama will do a money losing business isn't it?
Key objective is to DE-STABILIZE! DISRUPT! SHAKE ECONOMY! CAUSE FEAR!
It may be impossible to monitor every HDB estate buildings, but at least deploy some walkers with guns like in Orchard Road - LOL.... -
Note that, those terrorist pilots started their plan several years in advance. They grew like a cancer deep in USA's system. That's how they could become pilots to commandeer their airlines into WTC.Originally posted by strikefreedom:well guarded? then shouldn't the airport in US even more well guarded? then how come they can hikjack those planes?
Being Heavily Guarded, and Heavily Guarded with Focus, are two different things. -
you got the key objectives, but you gotta think like one or just read the news, do they bomb housing estate? even in bali they bomb tourist attraction instead of some residential isn't it? the key thing is to make their sucide bomber life as worth as possible if you get what i mean.Originally posted by ShutterBug:USA was too laxed. They were too confident, warnings send to them were unheeded and taken as a joke or empty-threat. They THOUGHT, they had everything under control. But NOT.
Key objective is to DE-STABILIZE! DISRUPT! SHAKE ECONOMY! CAUSE FEAR!
It may be impossible to monitor every HDB estate buildings, but at least deploy some walkers with guns like in Orchard Road - LOL....
there is no way to keep track of everyone or every place, it the job of everyone to help the goverment counter terrorism. if you plan to rely on just goverment alone, i think you better start inventing robocop to patrol singapore soon. -
I agree with you, but Singapore have very few tourist attractions that draw such crowds, and, DIDN'T bomb residential estates shouldn't necessarily mean WILL NEVER?Originally posted by strikefreedom:you got the key objectives, but you gotta think like one or just read the news, do they bomb housing estate? even in bali they bomb tourist attraction instead of some residential isn't it? the key thing is to make their sucide bomber life as worth as possible if you get what i mean.
there is no way to keep track of everyone or every place, it the job of everyone to help the goverment counter terrorism. if you plan to rely on just goverment alone, i think you better start inventing robocop to patrol singapore soon.
Don't forget one more element of the terrorists; UNPREDICTABILITY. To think that they're predictable, would be FATAL. -
In short, no place is safe.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I agree with you, but Singapore have very few tourist attractions that draw such crowds, and, DIDN'T bomb residential estates shouldn't necessarily mean WILL NEVER?
Don't forget one more element of the terrorists; UNPREDICTABILITY. To think that they're predictable, would be FATAL.
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What brings me fear, is to observe that every HDB estates cleaners are foreigners...
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ah yeah now you realised that terrorist cell grew like cancer in US system. all terrorist cell remain dormant until they start to do funny stuff, so this problem already existed way before any invasion by US.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Note that, those terrorist pilots started their plan several years in advance. They grew like a cancer deep in USA's system. That's how they could become pilots to commandeer their airlines into WTC.
Being Heavily Guarded, and Heavily Guarded with Focus, are two different things.
so we need to clamp down this terrorist cell in singapore before they can become active in bombing our country. and be it heavily guarded or heavily guarded with focus it is not possible to monitor the country 24/7. we have to work together to keep this a safe place rather then placing all the hope n responsibility solely on our goverment. -
read my post again carefully, i didn't say they won't i just say they have a lower piority then those building in Shenton Way, Orchard Road, Sentosa, Suntec City etc.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I agree with you, but Singapore have very few tourist attractions that draw such crowds, and, DIDN'T bomb residential estates shouldn't necessarily mean WILL NEVER?
Don't forget one more element of the terrorists; UNPREDICTABILITY. To think that they're predictable, would be FATAL.
learn to calculate how to maximize profit from a fix amount of money then you get what i mean. making a bomb is easy to bomb is easy, but how to make full use of it is the key to it. -
I'm not trying to win an argument here; I'm just vexed as to why no attention to security is paid to HDB estates where thousands live in one single building.
And the people of Singapore, are the ASSETS of our government - we lay eggs for them.