Summary about terrorism
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Yes, being vigilant is the duty of each and every citizen. However, nobody wants to be hauled to court on charges of making false reports due to the paranoia that has gripped our society.Originally posted by strikefreedom:ah yeah now you realised that terrorist cell grew like cancer in US system. all terrorist cell remain dormant until they start to do funny stuff, so this problem already existed way before any invasion by US.
so we need to clamp down this terrorist cell in singapore before they can become active in bombing our country. and be it heavily guarded or heavily guarded with focus it is not possible to monitor the country 24/7. we have to work together to keep this a safe place rather then placing all the hope n responsibility solely on our goverment. -
Nobody knows whether those bastards may decide to change tactics and strike on the heartlands.Originally posted by strikefreedom:read my post again carefully, i didn't say they won't i just say they have a lower piority then those building in Shenton Way, Orchard Road, Sentosa, Suntec City etc.
learn to calculate how to maximize profit from a fix amount of money then you get what i mean. making a bomb is easy to bomb is easy, but how to make full use of it is the key to it. -
well you can't expect the goverment to station police sentry to guard every hdb in singapore it simply impractical.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I'm not trying to win an argument here; I'm just vexed as to why no attention to security is paid to HDB estates where thousands live in one single building.
And the people of Singapore, are the ASSETS of our government - we lay eggs for them.
the chances of a thief breaking into ur house will be much higher then having a terrorist bombing ur flat. it may happen but the possibility is way much lower then other available targets in singapore.
yeah it good to have some form of security but there is so much we can do. -
when you make a report on suspisious char or thing and it turn out to be a false alarm they dun charge you in court. they are not as unreasonable as you think they are.Originally posted by iveco:Yes, being vigilant is the duty of each and every citizen. However, nobody wants to be hauled to court on charges of making false reports due to the paranoia that has gripped our society.
they can change their tactic but as i say the possibility is really lower. as i mention earlier, given a hdb flat and a commercial building in shenton way, which will you choose to bomb since bombing either one will result in having the goverment after ur ass? -
Talking about HDB flats, I did a survey on them and surveyed a few condo owners as well. All of them cited one reason for living in the condo, security. They felt that the security in condos were adequate, like having security guards, smart cards, etc. When asked if they (condo owners) would like in HDB flats, they give a flat NO. They say the security is very bad, anybody could just leave anything on the ground floor and if it happens to be a bomb, the whole building would have gone.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Since we're on the topic of terrorism; don't you think that our government should be mindful of them targetting HDB flats than MRT stations and large financial institutes to blow up?
I was surprised at the results, I thought they choose to live in condos because they were nicer, and of course the facilities. Never did I expect security to come out tops. Even the maids working in the condos say they would rather clean a condo than a HDB flat, because of security reason. -
While you are correct, but the thing is that more than 75% of Singaporeans live in HDB flats. And mind you, some of them has as many as 30 storeys. Assuming that during daytime students and adults go to work, bombing in daytime doesn't cause too much destruction. However, if the bombing is to happen at night time, say 8pm, won't the damages inflicted be great? Most of us would have be home by then. Just by destroying a block of flat you destroy quite a lot of lives. Some companies may not function due to the loss of one of their important employees. They may be on closing a contract soon, and the death could cost them a contract. That's what I think.Originally posted by strikefreedom:terrorists can strike anywhere but if they want to inflict damage, they will inflict something that will hurt the goverment badly that why the terrorists target the World Trade Center rather then any downtown residential area.
will you choose to bomb a hdb housing estate or will you bomb the building in Shenton Way? even if you want to destroy human life, mrt will still a better target since it will not only kill alot of ppl but most imptly it will disable the service for a pretty long time.
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I wouldn't say MRT stations are really well guarded. To cite an example, City Hall MRT Station. That station security is really very poor. There was no security guard during lunch time, and when the guard came, he was reading the newspapers. I was shocked. It is during lunch time when the human traffic is the heaviest, and terrorists would be harder to detect. They could easily plant a bomb in the midst of so many people.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Err.. I'd think that the MRT stations and all important buildings in Singapore are too well guarded. So instead, causing widespread panic by blowing up residential buildings can also cripple economy. No?
Imagine, thousands end up in the streets after an HDB building gets decimated, because everyone is fearful to stay home. Work will be affected, public services will be overloaded, and the rest I can leave it to imaginations. -
as i say in my previous post i never say it is not possible. i am just basing on risk analysis which uses possibility theory to deduce which one will be of higher piority and also based on the terrorist attk throughout the world that is where i think the chances is low.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:While you are correct, but the thing is that more than 75% of Singaporeans live in HDB flats. And mind you, some of them has as many as 30 storeys. Assuming that during daytime students and adults go to work, bombing in daytime doesn't cause too much destruction. However, if the bombing is to happen at night time, say 8pm, won't the damages inflicted be great? Most of us would have be home by then. Just by destroying a block of flat you destroy quite a lot of lives. Some companies may not function due to the loss of one of their important employees. They may be on closing a contract soon, and the death could cost them a contract. That's what I think. 
and from the terrorist point of view, i think i stand to gain more bombing something significant like what the terrorsit did to World Trade Center in US.
Anyway, it doesn't matter what they bomb it only matter in preventing it from happening. -
If some Singaporeans want to do the jobs, we can eliminate one threat already. Provided they are alert enough.Originally posted by ShutterBug:What brings me fear, is to observe that every HDB estates cleaners are foreigners... -
I agree with you.Originally posted by strikefreedom:as i say in my previous post i never say it is not possible. i am just basing on risk analysis which uses possibility theory to deduce which one will be of higher piority and also based on the terrorist attk throughout the world that is where i think the chances is low.
and from the terrorist point of view, i think i stand to gain more bombing something significant like what the terrorsit did to World Trade Center in US.
Anyway, it doesn't matter what they bomb it only matter in preventing it from happening.
In Singapore, practically everything is significant to us. I cannot imagine anything that is of lesser significance to us. Maybe in terms of priority, what should we protect. -
A false report is better than nothing reported right? At least you are doing your part as a citizen. Maybe a change in the law would help.Originally posted by iveco:Yes, being vigilant is the duty of each and every citizen. However, nobody wants to be hauled to court on charges of making false reports due to the paranoia that has gripped our society.