HDB Ethnic Group Quota System - Unfair
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The recent WP manifesto regarding scrapping the HDB Ethnic Group quota system makes sense as the policy is flawed and works against the owners of HDB flats. I do understand the fact that the policy was originally implemented to prevent the formation of racial enclaves and to promote ethnic integration in HDB housing towns. Its all good and fine. However, its a great idea build with unfairness towards flat owners whose block of flats have been marked as ineligible for sale say to chinese, indians, or malays.
It doesnt make sense to penalise a HDB owner who is looking to sell his property in the open market and finds out that he can't say sell to the chinese for example. As the chinese make up the majority, a block of flats marked as not being eligible for chinese buyers could see a massive drop in its market value. So why should the owner bear such a massive financial loss on his HDB flat's market value when the guy across the road with a similar size unit might be able to achieve a premium; as his block of flat does not have any maximum quota against a single ethnicity. The policy strikes me as a totally unfair system.
Solution:
If thegovernment insist on maintaining the HDB ethnic group policy; in all fairness owners of HDB flats should be reimbursed by the government for their financial loss when the units are not eligble to be sold to a particular ethnic group. The compensation formulae should take the Open Market Value of the HDB flat LESS the lower price at which the flat is sold as a result of quota of ethnic buyers in that particular block of flats. -
i dont understand why there is a need for such quotas.
singaporeans generally dont talk to their neighbours, even if they are of the same race.
what difference does it make then?
i wonder if they have such quotas for millionaires who live in bungalows?
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my grandma house still unable to sell bcos of this.....
mus sell to chinese ....
but my grandma is smack in the middle of little
there were alotta interested parties as it's considered prime spot....jus outside town area....and recently got NEL....
those ppl tt come and see the house all keen....the oni complaint is that it's in little india...u know lah.....sunday crowd and all tt........
have to write letter to HDB to appeal to be able to sell to othe races....
duno wats the outcome yet...... -
We have Little India, Chinatown and the Malay Village.
Should we set quotas on who can visit these places?
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must take number and wait outside the barrier.Originally posted by charlize:We have Little India, Chinatown and the Malay Village.
Should we set quotas on who can visit these places? -
Hi dragg,Originally posted by dragg:i dont understand why there is a need for such quotas.
singaporeans generally dont talk to their neighbours, even if they are of the same race.
what difference does it make then?
i wonder if they have such quotas for millionaires who live in bungalows?
Well, ya - we generally don't mix around much, except for those housewives aunties.
But let me draw your attention to how Malays tend to group together on ground floors, and can even occupy almost half the entire flat from 1st floor to 5-6 floor.
Ever notice how certain estates, the ground floor every unit is occupied by malays? And they convert the surrounding into like a kampong. Things everywhere, benches, tables, like they own the entire common corridor including garden.
I'm not saying that they are bad in this way, they are just community minded, they like to group together. This is why the Ethnic Quota System is in place. Now, this Policy I can understand.
Even in schools these days, students are encouraged to mix around with other races. This is to cultivate social and racial cohesion, not band together as one race, and alienate yourself from the other races. It's unhealthy.
What's your take on this view point? -
the quota system actually force people to mix together, not willingly.
malays are generally community-minded and the chinese arent. -
I believe it's not a matter of willingness to mix, it's about spreading out the races.
Otherwise you might get like in the USA, where there are districts that only the Blacks can walk the streets and whites dare not walk. -
I mean, lets face it; when Chinese buy flats, they want to make sure there aren't too many Malays on their floor or in the estate. Not because we Chinese don't like Malays, it's just that we don't want to have to put up with their habit of keeping cats (the cats will roam the block and leave doos doos here and ther which you need to side-step), and their merry making noise now and then.
Same goes to Malays buying flats; they want to make sure there other Malays in the block to buddy-up with. And note that Malays who stays in the upper floors are different, they don't really mix around like those on the lower and ground floors.
I know this sounds racist, but I'm not saying anything bad about them. It's just their ways, and isn't this waht the Ethnic Quota is meant for? This is to keep things on even keel in terms of racial proportion. -
Well, better than last time when you see all Chinese or Malays or Tamils only right?
Although it forced people to live together, but it also makes the HDB more colourful. They will decorate when the festive seasons are coming, share food with us etc.
We may not communicate, but once in a blue moon still not bad, right? -
Yah man, you got a point.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Well, better than last time when you see all Chinese or Malays or Tamils only right?
Although it forced people to live together, but it also makes the HDB more colourful. They will decorate when the festive seasons are coming, share food with us etc.
We may not communicate, but once in a blue moon still not bad, right?
My Malay neighbor, he works for AVA, his wife always cook something unbelievably delicious and spicy during their Hari Raya. I love it! I'll never lose weight like that lah.... -
I think my block is pretty weird. The Malays are all living on the high floors and you get chinese living on the ground floors *hmmm*
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Frankly speaking ah, I find Malay neighbors are more ready with a smile even when they don't know you. They are far more friendlier than our Chinese neighbors. Always face black black....
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frankly i feel that we, chinese are more likely to be racist than malays.
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Agree.Originally posted by dragg:frankly i feel that we, chinese are more likely to be racist than malays. -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yah man, you got a point.
My Malay neighbor, he works for AVA, his wife always cook something unbelievably delicious and spicy during their Hari Raya. I love it! I'll never lose weight like that lah....
Actually, how I wish Singapore is 10 years younger. 10 years ago, situation still not that bad. I know all my neighbours 10 years ago. Now, I know a handful, countable with my 10 fingers.
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malays are friendly and their gals are cute too.
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These days, Malays have become more affluent.
They drive newer bigger cars, MPVs and SUVs even, and some are also becoming a tad bit snobbish. But this is natural, affluence and advancement in life, can change people's outlook.... and they way they walk.
I don't think that only Chinese tended to be racist, it's everybody, every race. It's a natural inclination for humans of a certain race to flock together. Just like Singaporeans when they're abroad; they buddy up with any stranger who is from Singapore. -
I suspect the reason why Chinese in Singapore might be racist lies in our numbers. Anyone for that?
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In this case, what about Malays in Malaysia???
I think it's the other way around up north! -
I really don't think so about us Chinese in Singapore being like that.
If that's the case, why are there so many Malay government services???
>> Civil Defence
>> The Police
>> Immigration & Customs
so on so forth... -
it is a possibility.Originally posted by iveco:I suspect the reason why Chinese in Singapore might be racist lies in our numbers. Anyone for that?
up north the malays are probably the racists. -
They have the quota system cos it is difficult to maintain harmony here unlike in the rural areas
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My teacher say it's because Singapore is surrounded by lots of Malays. So if we are too pro-Chinese, our Malay neighbours will not be happy. It's kind of ridiculous.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I really don't think so about us Chinese in Singapore being like that.
If that's the case, why are there so many Malay government services???
>> Civil Defence
>> The Police
>> Immigration & Customs
so on so forth... -
hmmmm... rediculous as it may sound, but it does make sense.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:My teacher say it's because Singapore is surrounded by lots of Malays. So if we are too pro-Chinese, our Malay neighbours will not be happy. It's kind of ridiculous.
All because we are small.