HDB Ethnic Group Quota System - Unfair
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agree...Originally posted by charlize:Well, if you think about it logically, it can be viewed as a form of racial discrimination since you can't buy/sell a flat because of your race.
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If it is a form of discrimination, it is a necessary discrimination for the good of the nationOriginally posted by charlize:Well, if you think about it logically, it can be viewed as a form of racial discrimination since you can't buy/sell a flat because of your race. -
Ya lor,other nations also dont have this kind of g@y system,only our country has......u know why,becoz our PAP politicians are g@y!!!!Originally posted by charlize:Well, if you think about it logically, it can be viewed as a form of racial discrimination since you can't buy/sell a flat because of your race.
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That's why we have peace although we have so many other races and religions and we are the MODEL of the worldOriginally posted by drawer:Ya lor,other nations also dont have this kind of g@y system,only our country has......u know why,becoz our PAP politicians are g@y!!!! 
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From your responses, I get the impression most of you are not getting the point i'm trying to make. The ethnic quota system is good but the financial loss incurred by the seller of the property is not justified. According to the papers today 300 HDB owners are affected by the quota system annually. i believe there would be more such cases in the future as the population expands. If the HDB owner suffers a financial loss due to the ethnic policy shouldnt the government legally be reimbursing the HDB flat owner on his/her financial loss?
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Price determined by market
Loss should be the seller's problem -
oxford mushroom:
"If it is a form of discrimination, it is a necessary discrimination for the good of the nation"
Sure! as long it involves only the minorities. -
i'm not sure which planet claudetnt is living on! you dont even understand what oxford mushroom is talking about. think before you speak for once!Originally posted by claudetnt:oxford mushroom:
"If it is a form of discrimination, it is a necessary discrimination for the good of the nation"
Sure! as long it involves only the minorities. -
tohyi:
If you think you know better about What oxford mushroom had Referred to why not share with me and our readers instead of getting personal? -
Well if the quota system is so effective in racial integration and the GRC is so effective with minority representation, both rationas should be applied across the board. The quota should also apply to jobs in Civil Service, places in University, number of ministers, number of judges etc etc...why the selective application which really questions the real intention.
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Simply because that goes against the principle of meritocracyOriginally posted by Lessformore:Well if the quota system is so effective in racial integration and the GRC is so effective with minority representation, both rationas should be applied across the board. The quota should also apply to jobs in Civil Service, places in University, number of ministers, number of judges etc etc...why the selective application which really questions the real intention. -
hmmm.....why do you preach anti muslim/anti islam propaganda here then? shouldn't you be loving them? and all others too?Originally posted by Salman:Liberal means we should be open minded and love one another, not preach seperatism, hate, us against them, racism, superiority of one's religion and terrorism.
tell me abt it, did u get r@ped by some thugs, who by chance were muslims. it can explain your frustration against them, and by association,against islam and muslims. dont worry, many other ppl also go through bad times. it's not unique to you.
take some time away from work, consult a shrink, whatever is necessary man, we can empathize with your pain. maybe not fully, but we understand you must be really sore.
btw, can i infer that among other things, you're NOT against gender discrimination according to your definition. i wonder why in that case you would bring up status of women in some other foreign society, if you're not really against that idea.
how about preaching no culture is also superior than another? and along the same line, no sets of values "better" or more "appropriate" than others. that isn't subsumed by your definition i believe?
let us knoe dear fren, we understand you can be sore after such painful incidents. -
ooxford mushroom:
"well! do we really have True principles of meritocracy here? -
I am not aware of any that have been prevented from promotion by reason of race. There is elitism of the privileged class...yes, but they come from all races.Originally posted by claudetnt:ooxford mushroom:
"well! do we really have True principles of meritocracy here? -
oxford mushroom:
my dear fellow, meritocracy is not about race. why do you need to inject race here? -
Because my comment was given in relation to this:Originally posted by claudetnt:oxford mushroom:
my dear fellow, meritocracy is not about race. why do you need to inject race here?
Originally posted by Lessformore:
Well if the quota system is so effective in racial integration and the GRC is so effective with minority representation, both rationas should be applied across the board. The quota should also apply to jobs in Civil Service, places in University, number of ministers, number of judges etc etc...why the selective application which really questions the real intention. -
oxford mushroom:
Precisely. It was you that introduced meritocracy in response to Lessformore.
However, to my question: "well! do we really have True principles of meritocracy here?”
Your response was “I am not aware of any that have been prevented from promotion by reason of race. There is elitism of the privileged class...yes, but they come from all races.”
Therefore, it seems that you had in your aforesaid answer to mine had linked meritocracy with race!
Perhaps, youÂ’re right if you can refer me to a dictionary that state that the definition of meritocracy is linked to race! -
The reality is that without the quota ruling, over time there will be racial enclaves. This will in turn lead to all sorts of racially motivated problems.
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could someone please explain why we have ethnic segregation among schools here in singaapore? i do not recall seeing any students for example river valley high school hanging out with malay or indian students. and the same for the indian schools that have been created such as the bhavan international or the madarasahs for the muslim students. dont see any of the students from those schools either hanging out with chinese students. we contradict by having HDB ethnic quotas and on the other hand we have all this ethnic schools all over the place. what sort of message are we exactly sending to our children?
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Chinese schools have been well-known for creating the intrinsic mentality of Chinese Chauvanism. Likewise, the same applies to any racial issue: each race tends to stick to their own.Originally posted by gill_hfc:could someone please explain why we have ethnic segregation among schools here in singaapore? i do not recall seeing any students for example river valley high school hanging out with malay or indian students. and the same for the indian schools that have been created such as the bhavan international or the madarasahs for the muslim students. dont see any of the students from those schools either hanging out with chinese students. we contradict by having HDB ethnic quotas and on the other hand we have all this ethnic schools all over the place. what sort of message are we exactly sending to our children?
It's human nature. The aim of ethnic integration is to breed racial tolerance among us, with the long term goal of racial ACCEPTANCE.
Who should we blame for ethnic segregation? The students themselves or the schools? Should the schools be responsible for such discrimination if the students themselves prefer to align with other students of their race and reject integration?
Alternatively, you should ask youself: Is it normal for an Indian student to feel ostracised while hanging out with a group of chinese friends? or vice versa?