A True Story on the Lives of Saudi Women
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Originally posted by Salman:
Atobe is just being sacarstic, cant you see?
Same for Atobe, he tries to twist and turn. He claims to be anti terrorism but somehow defends terrorist actions and accuse others who expose terrorism by saying they are anti Muslim.
Such tricks won't work with Singaporeans, we too smart for your silly tricks and you will be exposed.
More importantly, the problem lies with your credibility, Salman. Your one-liners rebuttals made during the last months of 2005 badly dented your credibility among many forumers of the Speakers Corner. That is why people such as Atobe now choose to play instead of posting more constructive answers.
You need to rebuild your credibility.
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Those one liners are good my friend, they expose the hypocrisy of all those anti govt elements. Thats bwhy they hate me so much. I must be doing something great. Otherwise they won't take me seriously and will just ignore me.
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but one-liners may give the impression that you dont have much to substantiate your claims.
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Like those that pretend to champion the muslim world by killing priests and christians?Originally posted by Atobe:Yes, we need to destroy fanatics, just as much as we need to expose frauds pretending to champion the helpless - when in actual fact they are attempting to destroy the whole forest while trying to fight a fire.
Extremist also exist amongst those who pretend to be champions.
It will take some imagination to believe your 'tail' of cats ever following a monkey. -
The fact that changing channels on tv is considered a luxury, i'm sure using a remote to do the same thing is considered more so of a luxury? So if having a fan to cool you when you're hot is a luxury, doesn't it logically follow that an airconditioner that does the same thing more expediently is more so of a luxury?Originally posted by Atobe:What makes you think that the primitive tribesman living in the depth of the jungles are not having a good life ?
Is it not arrogance on the part of those who believe that others are poorer than themselves, just because we are exposed to different concepts of comfort, values, and visions ?
If you are a father of a daughter, will you not be worried if you daughter is in the company of several men in a hotel room at 11p.m. watching "TV" ?
What is going on that a woman need several men - strangers ? - to keep her company to watch "TV" ?
Even our own Police will go about arresting innocent Vietnamese girls on tourist pass for being present in some Pubs - what are we to make of our own society ?
Is this the way to treat our foreign guests ?
Is this the way that we show the First World tolerance towards women from neighboring countries ?
Sometimes you have to stop to think before you jump to conclusions, it does help, really.
If I have a daughter, and she wants to watch america's next top model at 11pm with friends, so be it. If she wants to watch Lost at 2am with strangers, we have to see the context. If she is in hostel and the male strangers are her fellow hostelites whom she does not talk to, nor know their names, is there any crime in that?
If she runs into a stranger's house to watch tv, then its is her bad upbringing and her parents must teach her not to run into peoples' house to use their tv.
If she is conducting shady business (prostitution, social escort, massage) and watches tv in hotel rooms with her clients, once again, it is the poor upbringing by her parents. If you've gone out to meet more people, you'd realise that people don't simply watch tv in dogdy situations with strangers. There is no need to cirminalise everything.
You might as well make it illegal for me to hold and kiss my gf in public as I may be outraging her modesty! Let's go one step further! Let's outlaw ALL contact, physical or otherwise, between different genders!
Those viet gals who are here on tourist pass should conduct their "tourists" activity rather than make money at bars and pubs. The authorities refuse to believe that the viet gals spent such a substantial amount of money just to come to sg to enjoy our more expensive drinks and our wonderful company! If so, how come the local women are complaining about the lousy company local men make?
Sometimes instead of seeing things on the surface, you should try thinking deeper and finding out how different event correlate. You should teach that to your extremist friends too. -
I don't think they have a choice whether to wear or not. There are rules for them to follow.Originally posted by vito_corleone:salman the moron is an indian supremacist, what's it got to do with us chinese?
anyway point aside...imo the muslim women should be given a choice on whether they want to wear the burkah or not like in turkey and other secular states with muslim majorities. if they want to wear it..let it be they're not doing anything to hurt other people anyway. -
Your one-liners really gave you so many enemies. Your current discussions would have a lot more impact if forumers would not oppose you just because they hate you.Originally posted by Salman:Those one liners are good my friend, they expose the hypocrisy of all those anti govt elements. Thats bwhy they hate me so much. I must be doing something great. Otherwise they won't take me seriously and will just ignore me.
People usually give a point of view and substantiate their claims the way honeybunz and robertteh does. You simply produce a statement and challenge others to falsify it. This gives you a "heads i win tails you lose" scenario for you. If they manage to falsify your statement, you claim they are agitated and hence you struck a chord. If they fail to falsify your statement, you claim that you are right. All this without substantiating your statements.
That is one major reason why many find it frustrating and hopeless to discuss issues with you.
I am nobody to teach you how to lead your life, but perhaps you can still gain credibility if you try to substantiate your statements. -
Salman is only interested in the truth and common sense.
The concept of credibility never crossed my mind nor do i seek it. I simply post what I wanted to say. Not saying it to be arrogant, I just don't care what others think. -
Self-glorification at your best?Originally posted by Salman:Those one liners are good my friend, they expose the hypocrisy of all those anti govt elements. Thats bwhy they hate me so much. I must be doing something great. Otherwise they won't take me seriously and will just ignore me.
Stick with one-liners because the more you type, the more we know what kind of character you are -- like how great you think your posts are.
The reason to change your troll style is that none were taking your one-liners seriously and have began to ignore you. In short, replying to you is a waste of time lah. -
Originally posted by abao:
Aiyah, that doesn't worry him a single bit.
but one-liners [b]may give the impression that you dont have much to substantiate your claims.[/b]
Salman does not need to substantiate his claims --- it is truth as long as he claims it.
Even when he is proven wrong, he can still claim it is truth.
Check this thread:
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Correction.Originally posted by Salman:Salman is only interested in the truth and common sense.
The concept of credibility never crossed my mind nor do i seek it. I simply post what I wanted to say. Not saying it to be arrogant, I just don't care what others think.
It is your own self-believed truths.
That's right, fanatics don't need much credibility also.
They need some attention.
So they go out and do what they want to do.
They also do not care what others think. -
The truth is a very subjective thing, ironically.Originally posted by Salman:Salman is only interested in the truth and common sense.
The concept of credibility never crossed my mind nor do i seek it. I simply post what I wanted to say. Not saying it to be arrogant, I just don't care what others think.
What is the truth?
I learnt the hard way that, once your credibility goes to hell, nothing from you can be truth or common sense. Why do you think the PAPman takes such pains to maintain their credibility? They even sue if they feel it helps their credibility.
When many forumers, even those who cannot see eye to eye, can come together to say you sux, we have to begin to wonder why.
Just like muslims who wonder why do non muslims portray them as terrorists, you have to start wondering why are people picking a fight with you just for the sake of it. -
It doesn't matter if you don't know the truth or have any common sense. Itsd perfectly OK.
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That being said, let's not hijack the thread anymore...Originally posted by Salman:It doesn't matter if you don't know the truth or have any common sense. Itsd perfectly OK.
Back to saudi women living comfortable lives in a culture of tolerence and respect.
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are u being sarcastic ? heheOriginally posted by SilverPal:That being said, let's not hijack the thread anymore...
Back to saudi women living comfortable lives in a culture of tolerence and respect. -
Got told off by a certain someone...Originally posted by BadzMaro:are u being sarcastic ? hehe What makes you think that the primitive tribesman living in the depth of the jungles are not having a good life ?
This person claims that the saudi women are having a better life than yours and mine!
Is it not arrogance on the part of those who believe that others are poorer than themselves, just because we are exposed to different concepts of comfort, values, and visions ?