Death sentence of Australian effecting SIA deal?
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Recently the death sentence of the Australian drug trafficker in Singapore had cause a the dissappointing feeling in Australian goverment. Now this feeling is affecting the deal of SIA dealing to fly freely from Australia?
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Obviously so, this should have been forseen much earlier. Same with Malaysia; we play too "by the book" with them, they play it "by their books" with us. So, everything gets done slowly, or never get around to any agreements.Originally posted by grandeur:Recently the death sentence of the Australian drug trafficker in Singapore had cause a the dissappointing feeling in Australian goverment. Now this feeling is affecting the deal of SIA dealing to fly freely from Australia?
You reap, what you sow. -
17.02.2006 Straits Times:pg 16.
SIA's 84 flights a week to Aussie do not fly beyond Aussie--all return back.
While half of Qantas fly to Sg fly to Europe.
Is it fair?
2.The Chairman of Qantas misleaded the press on 16.02.2006,
when he announced the half year results.
He repeated his position of alLowing SIA Sydney--LA route without
corresponding right to fly to elsewhere fr Sg.
This is wrong.Half of Qantas fly to Sg continue fly to Europe.
3.The worse is he do not allow SIA,He seems welcome Virgin
Blue---''A REASONABLE COMPETITOR''-- to fly the LA ROUTE!!
4.Sg seems losing patience with Aussie. -
Singapore lacks flexibility and foresight, or should I say, a marginal inability to accept certain propensity of action by other nations.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Obviously so, this should have been forseen much earlier. Same with Malaysia; we play too "by the book" with them, they play it "by their books" with us. So, everything gets done slowly, or never get around to any agreements.
You reap, what you sow. -
Precisely. INFLEXIBILITY is the word. Even to its own people!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Singapore lacks flexibility and foresight, or should I say, a marginal inability to accept certain propensity of action by other nations.
Aiya, no need to say so much. I know what I have to do.... -
I am afraid I am a person who do not trade law with economic, ie to say reduction of sentence of a murderer/drug-trafficker for any monetary benefits/amount that may periodically bring along.
Economic can be stimulated with others factors or means and can be seen as flexible.
Law runs on the principle of equity and integrity though with a tint of flexiblility. Flexibility here should not be confused with monetary amount or diplomancy but by compassion for any law-offenders deem by the ruling judges. It must be fair to its citizens. Nothing to do with foresight here. You flout with the law here, you pay... and likewise.
Simple as that.
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Yea, i agree with too free. The aussies are just using the hanging case as an excuse not to allow SIA on its trans-pacific route. Its not the first excuse we've gotten from them anyway.
I do hope once the contract ends, singapore would cancel Qantas rights to transit at changi. But then again if we do so, the axe will fall and jobs will be lost, considering that Qantas has one of the most flights in and out of SG.
Qantas will also have the choice to transit at KL instead of Singapore.
Furthermore with fuel efficent planes e.g 777-200LR etc.. transits are now only for picking up more pax rather than refuelling.
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17.02.2006 STimes that Chair of GPC of Transport calls
Aussie should not take ties for granted is the official warning.
An eye for an eye.
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What do u mean 'lacks flexibilty'?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Singapore lacks flexibility and foresight, or should I say, a marginal inability to accept certain propensity of action by other nations.
Half of Qantas flights can proceed to Europe fr Sg,whils none SIA cant
fly beyond Aussie?
2.If Aussie do not allow all other co. fly to LA fr Aussie,fine .
Every one looks after own pockets.It is understandable
and may be tolerable,only a dollars and cents matters.
But now Aussie prepares to give Vigin Blue fly this lucrative route to
LA.Seems slapping face of SIA,ie Sg government and people.
A gross discrimination.
The Chair of Qantas called Vigin a REASONABLE COMPETITOR.
thats means SIA is not lah??
If Aussie do not grant SIA or worse grant only to Virgin,
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We saw the same situation in Singapore's public transport during the pre-NEL days. Tibs routes could terminate in SBS territory, but SBS routes could not venture into Tibs territory.Originally posted by lionnoisy:What do u mean 'lacks flexibilty'?
Half of Qantas flights can proceed to Europe fr Sg,whils none SIA cant
fly beyond Aussie? -
Singapore Airlines hit out at Qantas,February 17, 2006.
"This is incorrect - it is farcical to suggest that Qantas does not hold a monopoly on this route when it has 75 per cent of the capacity and its American competitors remain in financial hardship," Singapore Airlines said.
Sg Govt has not subsidized SIA.Has Qantas received any subsidy fr Aussie govt?
While Qantas can fly beyond Singapore to Europe, the Middle East, Africa and India, Singapore carriers can only fly beyond Australia to New Zealand. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
That's coz Qantas doesn't need any.
[b]Singapore Airlines hit out at Qantas,February 17, 2006.
Sg Govt has not subsidized SIA.Has Qantas received any subsidy fr Aussie govt?[/b]
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well, in that case....Originally posted by ShutterBug:Obviously so, this should have been forseen much earlier. Same with Malaysia; we play too "by the book" with them, they play it "by their books" with us. So, everything gets done slowly, or never get around to any agreements.
You reap, what you sow.
Indonesia is in for a good time -
Originally posted by Master -_-:well, in that case....
Indonesia is in for a good time -
Singapore elbowed out of Syd-LA tussle
The reasons are very week.
i guess Sg will fight back by reducing Qantas flying to other
countries fr Spore.
SIA provides similiar product as Qantas and UA,but SIA makes a lot of money,while the two,u know.....Aussie Federal Cabinet has decided not to let Singapore Airlines fly from Sydney to Los Angeles.
2.Australia shuts Singapore Airlines out of US routes
Cabinet had considered arguments that letting in another airline would boost competition and cut the cost of flights.
But the Transport Minister, Warren Truss, has announced the Government does not believe it would be in the national interest.
He says blocking Singapore Airlines for several years gives an opportunity for no frills airlines such as Virgin to compete.
"Singapore Airlines of course offers a similar kind of product to United Airlines and Qantas, the current operators of the trans-Pacific route," he said.
"Virgin would be something completely different and certainly
report:
Tuesday February 21, 2006, 5:26 pm
CANBERRA (AFP) - Australia has decided to shut Singapore Airlines out of the lucrative trans-Pacific routes to the US while the cap on foreign ownership of national airline Qantas will remain at 49 percent, Transport Minister Warren Truss says.
Truss said that Australia viewed an open skies policy as a national goal and was willing to negotiate access to the Pacific route "but only when it is in the national interest.
"In terms of the Singapore Airlines' request for access (to Australia-US routes), the government has decided not to grant them access at the present time," he said.
"If access is negotiated in the future, it will be limited and it will be phased."
Qantas, which earns as much as 20 percent of its profits from its Sydney-Los Angeles services, had argued that it would be disadvantaged if state-backed airlines such as Singapore Airlines were allowed to fly the route.
In announcing the completion of a lengthy government review of aviation policy, Truss said that it found that policy settings which have been in place since 1999 were appropriate.
He said although Qantas had lobbied hard for the government to lift restrictions on government ownership, this would not be granted.
"The government has decided not to amend the Qantas Sale Act in that regard," Truss said. -
I believe Syd-LA is not the only trans-pacific flight. There may be other flights to San Francisco or Seattle as well. Maybe SIA could consider those.
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I don't think so.
I believe its more of the financial impact to Oz -
Westerners will always look to their own interests first, death sentence or no death sentence..talk about free trade is all a sham. When it is good for them, it is free trade. When they cannot compete, they accuse others of dumping (just follow the row over China's bra and shoe trade).
Australians behave like Talibans over this issue and like the Talibans, they will be overtaken in time. Ptotectionism is costly and self-defeating.
Singapore must also look to our own interests. Forget about what other nations might say....they do not own Singapore..we must do what is best for us. -
Qantas jobs hang on 'policy'
February 16, 2006
QANTAS Airways chief executive Geoff Dixon said any job losses or job moves overseas would depend on policy decisions from the Federal Government.
The Federal Government was undergoing a review to decide on whether it would allow Singapore Airlines to compete against Qantas (qan.ASX:Quote,News) on the lucrative trans-Pacific route between Australia and the US.
The final decision by the Government had been delayed on a number of occasions but was due in the near future.
Mr Dixon today asked the Government for a decision as soon as was possible.
"This is a very important decision," Mr Dixon said.
"It is important for how we will run the company in the future.
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Every decision we make must be impacted by the regulatory position we find ourselves in.
"The policy settings that are made by the Australian Government - we will take in all those considerations when we are making other decisions on where we can best make our investments, where we can best achieve our bottom line."
He said that Qantas had made it clear to the Government that it did not want any subsidies or protection.
"We want an understanding on policy settings, particularly when it comes to opening up new routes," Mr Dixon said.
"We are expecting a Government response and when we have got that, whether it is good or bad, it will give us clarity to go forward."
He said he had no control over the timing of the decision.
"I can't do anything about that, I know they are giving it some consideration, I am just hoping they won't put it off - we have a view that there is nothing more to be said, so in effect it won't be put off.
"It will be decided some time in the near future but we haven't been told that."
Qantas today warned that further job losses were likely as the airline tried to cut costs and offset the impact of high fuel prices.
"All our business transformation initiatives are now focused on enabling Qantas to meet its future expenditure commitments and profit projections with a fuel cost above $US60 a barrel," Mr Dixon said.
"As we make these changes, job losses across various areas of the business will be inevitable."
2.How much and when did Aussie govt paid subsidy to Qantas??
Aussie said SG govt paid to SIA!!Ha Ha,the trust is just the oppoiste. -
This in at 2pm.
Australia govt rejects SIA bid to fly Sydney - LA
CANBERRA (Reuters) - The Australian government has rejected a bid by Singapore Airlines (SIAL.SI: Quote, Profile, Research) for access to the lucrative Sydney-Los Angeles route for "some years," Transport Minister Warren Truss said on Tuesday.
The government has also rejected a push by Qantas Airways Ltd. (QAN.AX: Quote, Profile, Research) to lift its 49 percent foreign investment cap -- which restricts single foreign investors to 25 percent of the company and foreign airlines to a 35 percent, Truss said in a statement.
But the Australian government urged Qantas and Singapore Air to consider the advantages of a possible alliance between the two companies, Truss said.
Australia's largest airline Qantas Airways Ltd. (QAN.AX: Quote, Profile, Research) and U.S. carrier United Airlines, part of UAL Corp (UAUA.O: Quote, Profile, Research), are the only two airlines able to offer direct flights from Australia to the mainland United States.
Discount carrier Virgin Blue (VBA.AX: Quote, Profile, Research) also wants access to the route.
More news here. -
TNP News watcher
Sounds familiar
All we ask for is a fair go,mate.
--- Singapore Airlines (SIA) chief executive officer Chew Choon Seng, on asking Qantas and the Australian government to let SIA have access to the lucrative transpacific route beyond Australia to the US. The Australian carrier controls the route and is against opening it to competition from SIA.
SIA = Opposition Party
Qantas = PAP
Hahaha................
Just a bad joke here, dont flame me pls.
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let our ministers worry about it.
100k per month you know!!! -
Qantas fr wikipedia
Ms SYDNEY, 19 August 2004.
The Chairman of Qantas, Margaret Jackson said that two-thirds of the 40 international airlines that operated to and from Australia each week were Government owned or subsidised and US and Canadian carriers received legislated bankruptcy protection. US airlines received US$15 billion in grants and loans after September 11 and also receive substantial Government support in relation to many security measures for which Qantas is not supported.
"Japanese airlines have received significant funding from their Government, Air New Zealand has received a NZ$885 million Government bail-out and the Italian Government has recently stepped in to rescue Alitalia," she said.
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Qantas: still flying high
Sunday, February 20, 2005,Business Sunday talks to CEO Geoff Dixon.
GEOFF DIXON: It could be close to it, but that is not just the reason that we don't want them fly. I think at some stage they will fly on that route. But we are asking really to say to make sure that we have similar advantages as Singapore Airlines. We are restricted. No matter what Singapore Airlines says, but I think the Australian Government realises we have real restrictions on our ability to fly into certain markets out of Singapore. They are very important markets for us. It is not Singapore's fault but is an issue that must be addressed. I mean this is about, you are talking about an industry that is totally regulated in those places where governments have a major interest no matter what.
ALI MOORE: But at the same time the more people Singapore Airlines brings into Australia, the more for to you fly around the country?
GEOFF DIXON: That's one way of putting it, but you have got to remember also that Singapore Airlines have open capacity between Singapore and Australia, which effectively means they have open capacity between Europe, the Middle East and Australia and they're doing that right now. They are a very big airline in Australia.
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Hehehe..........Originally posted by dragg:let our ministers worry about it.
100k per month you know!!!
Agreed
But then, S'porean, lets not get too carry away and become emotional, just like some Australian did with the hanging incident.
Be it a political or business decision, we need to understand the Australian have the right to make any decision they like.
For example, turn it around, what would Chew Choon Seng do, if he is the CEO of Qantas.
Believe he will fight likewise, protecting his own airline profitibility and staff benefits.
What would Yeo Cheow Tong do, if he is the Australian Transport Minister?
Likewise, he will fight like Singapore Government will do in order to protect our country interest and citizen survival.
Lets not turn this BUSINESS issue into a POLITICAL issue...... PERIOD. -
Don't see why we should allow Qantas to fly to inner Asia from Singapore.
Deny Qantas lah.
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Karmic debts.Originally posted by Young@heart:Sounds familiar
SIA = Opposition Party
Qantas = PAP
Hahaha................
Just a bad joke here, dont flame me pls. 
We have to realise that we should not get carried away by thinking that our brand of pragmatism is accepted by all.Most of the world still places their own interests first, so let it be a lesson in humility.
In time, hopefully we will understand why.