Death sentence of Australian effecting SIA deal?
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SG where dare to fight back ?
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.Qantas continue fr SG fly to Frankfurt and London.Shared code to Helsinki,Paris,Zurich and Barhain,
But SIA all stop at Aussie and return to Sg
Is it fair mate?
2.Ban SIA .but allow Virgin to fly.Is it reasonable?In terms of increasing competition, Aussie Transport Minister Warren Truss said that budget-carrier Virgin Airlines would have the opportunity to operate on the trans-Pacific route and could do so by as early as 2007.
3.Is the Open Sky Agreement bt SIA and Qantas restrict to desinations 2 countries?
He said Qantas and SIA provided a similar service and economic modelling had shown that granting Singapore Airlines the right would provide at best only a "very, very small" boost to tourism.
"We don't rule out the prospect of Singapore Airlines having a stronger role in services in and out of Australia into the future," he said.
"But when we negotiate any agreement of that nature, we want there also to be benefits for Australia.
"We could see little or no benefits to Australia in opening up the Pacific route to Singapore Airlines at this time."
Sg has no obligation to allow Qantas proceed her flights from Sg.
So,sorry,Qantas has to return back to Aussie once reaching Sg,like SIA
is flying now.
I think Sg will give a one year notice to cut or cancel Qantas flights fr Sg
to Europe.Aussie cant do anything under the Open Sky Agreement
which allow unrestriced flights bt Sg and Aussie. -
I don't think tit-for-tat will do us any good.
My worry is that Q will just continue on to KL for it's transits. If that happens who will be the biggest losers? The workers in SAT, SFI or other baggage handlers? -
We should not be afraid to lose Quantas business to KL. It's a case of unfair trade where Quantas gets access and enjoy business in and through Singapore but that's not the same for SIA in Australia and we should withdraw all benefits that Quantas is enjoying.
We should instead establish routes from NZ. Instead of flying back to SG,
SIA should explore landing and flying out of NZ back to Australia and US.
We need bargaining chips and if it's necessary to rescind them from Quantas, let's do it than to wait another 10 years.
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can we put all SIA Aussie--US route issue here
PRESS RELEASE - 23rd SEP 2003,
SIGNIFICANT LIBERALISATION FOR AUSTRALIA-SINGAPORE AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT ,Min. of TransportPRESS RELEASE - 23rd SEP 2003
Just reading fr this release,we can hit back by cutting Qantas routes
SIGNIFICANT LIBERALISATION FOR AUSTRALIA-SINGAPORE AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT
Singapore and Australian carriers will now have significantly liberalised access to each other's markets with the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the two countries today.
2 The MOU was signed by Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, Singapore's Minister for Transport and Australia's Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Mr John Anderson, in Singapore.
3 With immediate effect, airlines of both countries will be permitted to fly between Singapore and any point in Australia, as well as most intermediate points between the two countries, without restrictions. Further discussions about additional liberalisation measures will be held when there is greater stability in the global aviation environment.
4 Minister Yeo Cheow Tong said this Memorandum of Understanding marks a historic milestone in our aviation relationship.
5 "The significant liberalisation is a testament to our strong bilateral ties, and an expressed commitment of both sides to work towards a full open-skies agreement. I am greatly heartened by the progress that has been made, and I look forward to taking the next step to conclude a full open-skies agreement with Australia in the very near future," Mr Yeo Cheow Tong said.
6 Mr Anderson said that today was only the second occasion that Australia has entered into air service arrangements with another country that provide for open capacity between the bilateral partners.
7 "The first occasion was with our close neighbour, New Zealand, almost three years ago. The fact that the second country is Singapore reflects the importance which Australia assigns to its relationship with Singapore and the strength of that relationship on many levels," Mr Anderson said.
8 "I am particularly pleased that all gateways in Australia, including regional international gateways, will have greater opportunities to market their destinations, and attract new or additional services by Australian and Singapore carriers, with the removal of capacity restrictions."
9 Currently, Singapore Airlines and Singapore Airlines Cargo operate 70 weekly services to five Australian cities namely Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth. Qantas and Australian Airlines operate a total of 51 weekly passenger services to Singapore. Qantas also code shares on 14 British Airways weekly services over Singapore.
10 Over the past 5 years, passenger and airfreight movements between Singapore and Australia have grown at a compound rate of 9.6% and 7.0% respectively.
Issued by:
Ministry of Transport, Singapore
Australian High Commission
Office of Minister Anderson
Date: 23 Sept 2003
to Europe as shown in my previouse posting. -
Singapore has welcomed Qantas with an open door policy..."Come in, take whatever you like." Now SIA expects Australia to reciprocate in like manner. I find our leaders extemely naive..who do they think we are dealing with? The Pope? Dalai Lama? Mother Teresa?
These white supremacist hypocrites are the first to complain about protectionism and force others to open up their markets but scream 'dumping' and hide behind talk of national interests when they cannot compete. -
When u say "you flout with the law here,you pay .....",then where is the "compassion for any law-offerers"?Originally posted by TooFree:I am afraid I am a person who do not trade law with economic, ie to say reduction of sentence of a murderer/drug-trafficker for any monetary benefits/amount that may periodically bring along.
Economic can be stimulated with others factors or means and can be seen as flexible.
Law runs on the principle of equity and integrity though with a tint of flexiblility. Flexibility here should not be confused with monetary amount or diplomancy but by compassion for any law-offenders deem by the ruling judges. It must be fair to its citizens. Nothing to do with foresight here. You flout with the law here, you pay... and likewise.
Simple as that.
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This just comes to show that Singapore got bullied again. Has always been Malaysia, now it's Australia's turn. We play too much by the book?
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well... if we dun allow qantas to fly in...
then they'll go to kl or bangkok instead...
tat'll be like delivering customers to our competitors...
s'pore will lose out more... -
What bargaining chips do we have with an eat-all-you-can-take open sky policy for Quantas? Stupidity that's what the Ozzie gov is saying.
We need to protect our national carrier SIA, not grant Quantas at the expense on our own carrier in our own soil.
That's the principle the Ozzie gov is teaching us and that's what we should learn and turn it on their national carrier though we prefer to work on an open sky policy for mutual benefit. -
Hmm, this is tit for tat. Politics.
Since they have granted DJ full access to the route. Perhaps SQ could consider buying in DJ or codesharing with DJ. Ever since, ansett was gone, Qantas lack some serious homeground compeition..