ST Writer Kenny Tan wrote in an article today that students should "stand up for rights but in an orderly way".Wearing in black not orderly? Must wear red and white in opposite order then called orderly?
Agree...but in truth I think our students are getting a raw deal. Having taught undergraduates both in Singapore and overseas, it is clear that our students are paying a high price for their education but I doubt they are getting value for money.Originally posted by FireIce:they wear watever color oso no use
cos it's not going to change anything
oxford, having read this post, I have one question. If that is so, why encourage us to go university when the professors aren't going to teach us seriously? Does the research proof that you are a good professor?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Agree...but in truth I think our students are getting a raw deal. Having taught undergraduates both in Singapore and overseas, it is clear that our students are paying a high price for their education but I doubt they are getting value for money.
NUS is obsessed with ranking (aren't Singaporeans all?). The way Universities are ranked much depends on the research output rather than the starting salaries of their graduates or students' feedback on the quality of teaching. As a result, NUS lecturers are more concerned with their own research than with teaching undergrads, which is seen more as a distraction.
You cannot blame the professors...if your appraisal and even your job depends on research publication rather than teaching students, where would you place your priority?
out of dunno how many more ppl, 200 attended the forum, out of 200, 50 wore black, out of 50, 25 dare admit. noone bother to take lead, all juz sit there, complain to each other and stare at the wall.Originally posted by FireIce:they wear watever color oso no use
cos it's not going to change anything
we are singapore, we are singapore, we are singaporeans.....Originally posted by Ito_^:out of dunno how many more ppl, 200 attended the forum, out of 200, 50 wore black, out of 50, 25 dare admit. noone bother to take lead, all juz sit there, complain to each other and stare at the wall.
of cuz not gonna change anything lar!!![]()
Agreed. But I don't agree with the reporter that it is disorderly. So few people making noise reporter call it disorderly. Wonder if the PAP steps in, will they get thrown to jail?Originally posted by Ito_^:out of dunno how many more ppl, 200 attended the forum, out of 200, 50 wore black, out of 50, 25 dare admit. noone bother to take lead, all juz sit there, complain to each other and stare at the wall.
of cuz not gonna change anything lar!!![]()
The reporter probably had his report edited by the chaps higher up.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Agreed. But I don't agree with the reporter that it is disorderly. So few people making noise reporter call it disorderly. Wonder if the PAP steps in, will they get thrown to jail?![]()
Ya, put energies into studies and seep our parents of the energy to pay for our education.Originally posted by Salman:I think these kids should just put their energies on studying hard and grow up to be useful citizens of Singapore. Straits Times might even hire them one day. Who knows, they might get a good job as a schorlar and contribute more to Singapore.
Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Whats wrong with parents paying for education?
Ya, put energies into studies and seep our parents of the energy to pay for our education.
High fees? Why don't you compare to fees in the US and Australia?
With such high fees, we would be more worried about whether we can continue school than studying. And the criteria for getting help to pay fees still remain the same while fees are going up and up. If you look at how foreign universities charges their own students, it is comparatively lower. Only foreign students bare the full brunt of the tuition fees.
Learn to compete and stop whining. The more you whine the less competitive you are.
And how many people can be a scholar when lots of these are aimed at foreigners? Having said, oxford mushroom's post does really make us think if our education system and fee system should be reflected upon. At this rate of increase, we might as well study overseas when we pay about the same overseas.
You know the answer...because many employers (including the civil service) looks at the certificate more than the capability of the employee. I know of poly grads who can do a job better than graduates but the system will not allow us to pay that poly grad more than the NUS grad.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:oxford, having read this post, I have one question. If that is so, why encourage us to go university when the professors aren't going to teach us seriously? Does the research proof that you are a good professor?
Your statement smacks of a self-centered attitude towards the overall impact to education.Originally posted by Salman:I think these kids should just put their energies on studying hard and grow up to be useful citizens of Singapore. Straits Times might even hire them one day. Who knows, they might get a good job as a schorlar and contribute more to Singapore.
You think I don't know? You think money is infinite?Originally posted by Salman:Whats wrong with parents paying for education?
Haven't you heard of student loans that yo can repay after you graduate?
High fees? Why don't you compare to fees in the US and Australia?I compared. In Australia Dollars, their own students paid $6980 from ECU. Converting to Singapore Dollars, it will be $8000 plus.
I don't think our fees are high at all. I paid my own way thru NUS working part time. No big deal. I didn't whine. So why are you people whining?
Learn to compete and stop whining. The more you whine the less competitive you areYou think we never do so?
Competition is welcomed, but it needs to be kept under control. Letting it get of control is not good for locals as well as the foreigners in the long run.Originally posted by Salman:Not happy? Go Australia and study there. Its that simple.
Want to compete? Welcome competition and don't complain.