should singapore stick to an all-rounded education system?
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should singapore stick to an all-rounded education system? or shld we adopt a more americanised specialised system? is our system too exam-focused? r uniquely talented locals being robbed of developing their talents due to singapore's limited resources? air ur views on tis old yet hot topic!!!
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Yes they should.
That is the only reason why Singapore's education stand out in South East Asia. -
no. cos there's ppl like fandhi ahmad, not good at acadamics but good at tak giu
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I think the MOE should offer Pure Sciences subjects to those who are in NA. Those students who are in NA might have done and have passion for Sciences but because of the result of theirs, they could not take up Pure Sciences. It's such a sad case. It happened to me before. So I know how it feel to be like one of them.
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stick to???
do we have one now? -
to fireice:
yes we always had one...we study every kind of subjects since primary school...humanities, sciences, languages,maths, art, music...since when were we allowed to choose wad we realli want? in a specialised system, u get to choose wad u want...soem of us may want science but nt maths...or vice-versa...since when maths n science were separated from each other? from primary to jc they are always offered tgr -
so u think having to study varied subjects means "all-rounded"?
pls dun make me laff lah
wat about other things like character-building, leadership qualities, sports, flower arrangement, pottery, taiji and podcasting? -
despondent, science always go hand-in-hand with maths. You cannot fail maths yet want to do science. There are a lot of statistics, a lot of calculations.Originally posted by despondent:to fireice:
yes we always had one...we study every kind of subjects since primary school...humanities, sciences, languages,maths, art, music...since when were we allowed to choose wad we realli want? in a specialised system, u get to choose wad u want...soem of us may want science but nt maths...or vice-versa...since when maths n science were separated from each other? from primary to jc they are always offered tgr
All-rounded doesn't mean you study all kinds of things. All-rounded means you are good in studies as well as other areas such as sports or arts. -
in case u do nt noe, science dun go hand-in-hand wif maths in america...i am one who excel in maths but do badly in science...so wad then? do i have to give up maths since schools dun allow me to take science when i am bad at it? science n maths go hand-in-hand cos its always been like tis in singapore...nt in foreign countries. if one is talented in music n come from a poor family...how is he gonna to expand his talent when singapore's music industry is so small? wait for sponsors? wait til he is older n pay his way there? by then, he wil be many yrs behind other fellow musicians!
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I won't dispute the fact that Singapore's music industry is small.Originally posted by despondent:in case u do nt noe, science dun go hand-in-hand wif maths in america...i am one who excel in maths but do badly in science...so wad then? do i have to give up maths since schools dun allow me to take science when i am bad at it? science n maths go hand-in-hand cos its always been like tis in singapore...nt in foreign countries. if one is talented in music n come from a poor family...how is he gonna to expand his talent when singapore's music industry is so small? wait for sponsors? wait til he is older n pay his way there? by then, he wil be many yrs behind other fellow musicians!
But I don't agree with you that science don't go hand-in-hand with maths. Before poly, I used to think so. After poly, I realized the difference. I studied some general modules in my first year. I thought chemistry had little to do with maths, like in secondary school. The first year proved me wrong. I had to do a lot of calculations. You have to find angles (relating to chirality). Without a maths background, you would find it hard to understand. So is technology. You think those numbers have no use. Until you try your hands on writing a program, you never know. -
so wad can the system offer me when these 2 subjects muz go hand-in-hand? cos of science, i had to give up pursuing maths at a higher level...n if one is reallli gd at science for instance, y muz he study humanities, which is of no interest to him? in amreica, if u realli like a particular area of studies, u can pursue it all the way without disturbance from other non-related subjects...look at singapore maths olympiad...gold medal winners at a tender age...but unheard in the end in the world of maths...y? cos they were nt given enuff opportunity to expand their talents...we onli have 24 hrs a day...to study 8 other subjects nt directly related to maths takes precious time a way from expanding the mathematical talents...same can be said for any othe subject which ppl excel in...
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At lower level, as seen in my secondary school days, maths and science basically have no relationship. It's only at higher levels that you see the relationship and regret that you can't pursue science/maths because you are weak in either.Originally posted by despondent:so wad can the system offer me when these 2 subjects muz go hand-in-hand? cos of science, i had to give up pursuing maths at a higher level...n if one is reallli gd at science for instance, y muz he study humanities, which is of no interest to him? in amreica, if u realli like a particular area of studies, u can pursue it all the way without disturbance from other non-related subjects...look at singapore maths olympiad...gold medal winners at a tender age...but unheard in the end in the world of maths...y? cos they were nt given enuff opportunity to expand their talents...we onli have 24 hrs a day...to study 8 other subjects nt directly related to maths takes precious time a way from expanding the mathematical talents...same can be said for any othe subject which ppl excel in...
He may not be interested in humanities, which has no direct link with his science subjects. However, that is only if he is interested in subjects like physics, chemistry etc. What if he is interested in geophysics? He needs to know geography well. That's where humanities come into play. I would prefer that humanities is not compulsory, unless it is direct relationship with the studies. That's my view. -
but humanities is made compulsory...cos of science i couldnt pursue maths after Olevels...well, all i can say is tat onli those who have been victimised by the system wil give it serious tot n be critical towards it
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Haha, I wonder if you got read I prefer humanities to be NOT COMPULSORY.Originally posted by despondent:but humanities is made compulsory...cos of science i couldnt pursue maths after Olevels...well, all i can say is tat onli those who have been victimised by the system wil give it serious tot n be critical towards it -
ok...anyway, i noe of many who say the system is too rigid n too exam-focus...its true the govt is doing sth abt tat nw...n if there wasnt anything wrong wif the system, y is the govt trying to change it albeit gradually? its also difficult to make a change cos singaporean mindset has alredi benn moulded according to the old system over the past 40 yrs. tat explains y we can nvr catch up wif amreica n japan...even china is catching up wif us...
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but do u know tt even america education system is adapting our MOE maths syllabus?
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They are doing something about it, but it is still focused on exams. We shall wait and see the results.Originally posted by despondent:ok...anyway, i noe of many who say the system is too rigid n too exam-focus...its true the govt is doing sth abt tat nw...n if there wasnt anything wrong wif the system, y is the govt trying to change it albeit gradually? its also difficult to make a change cos singaporean mindset has alredi benn moulded according to the old system over the past 40 yrs. tat explains y we can nvr catch up wif amreica n japan...even china is catching up wif us...
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Adapting and following is different. Do you think they will follow our style of education? They only adapt and modify to suit them.Originally posted by Janedoeslove:but do u know tt even america education system is adapting our MOE maths syllabus? -
i feel that i prefer old fashion ways for education system. these days they mentioned 'state of arts' and it is piles of BS. u become an all-rounder but u r master of none since u cant define ur specialty on.
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HAHAHA. they even say good to our education system!!!Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Adapting and following is different. Do you think they will follow our style of education? They only adapt and modify to suit them.
SINGAPOREANS n AMERICANS r diff la, wat kind of system do u wan to follow? they can grab a gun as n when they like... singapore? even in SAF, u a fake gun from overseas training, u will kenna confinement!
moreover, it's been said long ago our education system will change to suit every talent's need. eg, sports sch has already been rounded to train the sporty singaporeans. n den this jump straight to A level system oso implemented, but to the autonomous sch only first. whY? cos other schs, neighbourhood or govt, still facing problems with student with attitude problem, financial needs etc...
yes, i agree even now a raffles boy join gang. but ur academic, n ur sch's image has nothing to do with it. they're only affected aft u join the gang. so wat has gone wrong even before u join the gang? UR ATTITUDE has to be changed!
it's a new era, changes are also came from students who have diff perspectives. do u think that there would only be a kind of system that will suit to everyone? even Polytechnics have oso implemented new learning system. the PBL - problem based learning.
(despodent's topic: dressing sloppily), how often do u see raffles sch students wear until so much like ah beng or ah lian? at most, i will say it's the own style of uniform dressing they adapted long ago, thru batches n batches. -
i agree wif janedoeslove tat no system is perfect...n tat singapore is diff. from america...however, y r we diff? cos of tradition n culture...its the govt who set the culture n tradition for the ppl to follow...so nw tat they r changing the system gradually, doesnt it goes to show tat our system needs revamping? how many specialised ppl have we produced? most local entrepreneurs dun even have degrees!!! top geniuses ard the world mostly dun have degrees...sim wong hoo the ceo of creative technology onli have a diploma...while i agree tat nt everyone can be like these ppl, i shake my head at the mentality of locals...its nt abt whether u can become one eventually...its abt ur mentality towards wad u desire n want to do in life...too many ppl r studying for the sake of studying...reason being we dun enjoy wad we r studying n have no interest in the subjects...so wad r we studying for? grades? is tis education? or juz mastering the art of memorising n the art of getting gd grades?
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I agree with you.Originally posted by despondent:i agree wif janedoeslove tat no system is perfect...n tat singapore is diff. from america...however, y r we diff? cos of tradition n culture...its the govt who set the culture n tradition for the ppl to follow...so nw tat they r changing the system gradually, doesnt it goes to show tat our system needs revamping? how many specialised ppl have we produced? most local entrepreneurs dun even have degrees!!! top geniuses ard the world mostly dun have degrees...sim wong hoo the ceo of creative technology onli have a diploma...while i agree tat nt everyone can be like these ppl, i shake my head at the mentality of locals...its nt abt whether u can become one eventually...its abt ur mentality towards wad u desire n want to do in life...too many ppl r studying for the sake of studying...reason being we dun enjoy wad we r studying n have no interest in the subjects...so wad r we studying for? grades? is tis education? or juz mastering the art of memorising n the art of getting gd grades?
But if you don't study, can you do something like that? Just fiddling with the electronics doesn't make you an engineer. There's always pros and cons to everything. -
my my...what an ignorant bigot you are.Originally posted by Janedoeslove:H
SINGAPOREANS n AMERICANS r diff la, wat kind of system do u wan to follow? they can grab a gun as n when they like...
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i don't know about that, but i'm sure singapore could do with a much better english language syllabus.Originally posted by Janedoeslove:but do u know tt even america education system is adapting our MOE maths syllabus? why would they want singapore maths when they have the world's greatest schools in mathematics like princeton, mit and yale? singaporeans think they're smart and good...but what they've failed to realise that america has sent people to space..60 years ago and advancing existing space technologies today while singapore..we have yet to build our own brand of cars, planes and even tv's for that matter with our own technology. -
so what now?? how ignorant i am, i still have to be realistic. must we keep comparing with others to know how good is good?