Singapore's ministers were overpaid?
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This is an extraction from the following website that show what kind of pay Singapore ministers were getting. Do you feel Singapore's ministers were overpaid?
Annual salaries of heads of government:
1. Singapore Prime Minister US$1,100,000 (S$1,958,000) a year
2. United States of America President: US$200,000
3. United Kingdom Prime Minister: US$170,556
4. Australia Prime Minister: US$137,060
Annual salaries of heads of government:
1. Singapore Minister: US$819,124
2. UK Minister: US$146,299
3. US Cabinet Secretary: US$157,000
(Source: Asian Wall Street Journal 10 Jul 2000) -
really meh?did the other countries missed out a zero at their salary figure?George Bush oni gets 200k?
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This is the figures that is showing there.Originally posted by Gladiatos:really meh?did the other countries missed out a zero at their salary figure?George Bush oni gets 200k? -
Of course! Sinfully overpaid!
There was an uproar in most internet forums after the Asian Wall Street Journal article appeared on 10 Jul 2000. -
oh ya...didnt see the date...year 2000...so whats the figure now?
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Good question. Many people also like to know what figure they getting now. How to know what figure they are getting?Originally posted by Gladiatos:oh ya...didnt see the date...year 2000...so whats the figure now? -
My my Bush getting less than Loong.. Unbelievable
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gao xin yang lian
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I'm wondering is the figure included or excluded bonus?
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before cpf?before tax?
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rich getting richer and poor, poorer
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The rationale behind the pay is that ministers who are underpaid will become corrupted.
Or so says the gahmen.
If the solution to solve corruption is to stuff money into their pockets,
then the solution to robbing and theft is to give them money as well.
Give all of us,200k a mth,would we be robbing anyone?
OBVIOUSLY NOT! -
Wa. So much money.
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Not always true, some greedy people cannot get satisfied by 200k/mth. It just reduces the probability...Originally posted by Clementneil:The rationale behind the pay is that ministers who are underpaid will become corrupted.
Or so says the gahmen.
If the solution to solve corruption is to stuff money into their pockets,
then the solution to robbing and theft is to give them money as well.
Give all of us,200k a mth,would we be robbing anyone?
OBVIOUSLY NOT!
But im certainly happy with 200k/mth or even 200k/yr
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How to make government to report to us the figure that the ministers are getting and show us what they had gotten in the past few years? Any genius there?
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Singapore - Make Corruption Legalised through Salary.
That is why we are the least corrupted country in Asia.
We do it openly and without shame. -
How to prove thay are making Corruption Legalised through Salary? They can always argue that they are trying to eliminate corruption. Anyway Medicated oil i think you are quite brave to express this view. I salute you.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Singapore - Make Corruption Legalised through Salary.
That is why we are the least corrupted country in Asia.
We do it openly and without shame. -
Corruption - You dun know how much is collected
Salary - You dun know how much is paid
So, isn't that not the same ? -
Over-paid?
What is the standard then?
PRC Chinese President gets lesser than my uncle who's a teacher in Malaysia. He didn't complain. -
The official stand from our leaders has always been that a minister serving national interests must be paid a commeasurable salary package to ensure a corruption-free government.
It was also decided to peg the salaries of top ministers with top serving executives from leading corporations as an indication of the level of performance demanded and expected by shareholders.
These figures will never be released no matter how the people cajole and lobby for transparency. PM LHL has often continuously refered to a formula to calculate the pay of ministers; this formula is also unlikely to be released.
The crux of the matter is no longer whether ministers are overpaid, but whether there is any form of indicator to measure the true-put of a minister's performance.
In the end, if one can prove this with a certain degree of satisfaction, then we should no longer contest the issue. -
Thanks for expressing your view in this fashion. I don't believe performance can be measured when there is no transparency. Lets say if a minister is getting US$10 million a year, will you still feel this is to ensure a corruption-free government?Originally posted by BillyBong:The official stand from our leaders has always been that a minister serving national interests must be paid a commeasurable salary package to ensure a corruption-free government.
It was also decided to peg the salaries of top ministers with top serving executives from leading corporations as an indication of the level of performance demanded and expected by shareholders.
These figures will never be released no matter how the people cajole and lobby for transparency. PM LHL has often continuously refered to a formula to calculate the pay of ministers; this formula is also unlikely to be released.
The crux of the matter is no longer whether ministers are overpaid, but whether there is any form of indicator to measure the true-put of a minister's performance.
In the end, if one can prove this with a certain degree of satisfaction, then we should no longer contest the issue. -
Then it depends whether there is any indication to account for every dollar value he is contributing. Since you brought up such a incredible figure, there must be a equally feasible method to track the performance indicator of such a minister to account for every dollar he earns?Originally posted by grandeur:Thanks for expressing your view in this fashion. I don't believe performance can be measured when there is no transparency. Lets say if a minister is getting US$10 million a year, will you still feel this is to ensure a corruption-free government?
Legitimised corruption is something very subjective. While many will say that the figure is exhorbitant, others will agree that such a sum will indeed STARVE OFF any attempts at bribery and corruption from external and internal forces.
You also have to determine whether we are taking them to task because we deem the pay DISPARITY between ministers and commoners as UNFAIR or for more benevolent reasons such as TRANSPARENCY and the ability to stand up to SCRUTINY?
Or let's put it in another way: if they were to release the pay formula and ministrial salary package to you, justifying every cent and demonstrating a generally acceptable dollar value for their performance and workscope, would it be enough to satisfy you? -
It is indeed sad that people serve the country basically for the pay and perks it provides.
Coupled with the fact that you are unlikely to get fired or blamed for non performance or when things go wrong is definitely an added incentive.
No where else in the private sector do you get such benefits. -
Originally posted by grandeur:
Singaporeans who have got their Salary and CPF cut in 2002 - 2004, remains with their cut salary and CPF UNRESTORED.
How to make government to report to us the figure that the ministers are getting and show us what they had gotten in the past few years? Any genius there?
Many Singaporeans are FORCED to accept employment contracts that are now revised to be renewable 2 to 3-year contracts, leaving Singaporeans UNCERTAIN as to their long term future, and difficulties in arranging long term mortgages.
The only way to get the Government aka the Ruling Political Party to be more transparent with their accounting system, is to elect the Opposition Party into Parliament - holding up to 49-Percent of the 84 seats Parliament. -
whatever is happening in the employment markets affects only common singaporeans. the ministers' pay are immune to market forces.