Would you fight for Singapore if........
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Originally posted by NewAge:In times of war i will thinks of ways to survive. If the sinapore army shows clear signs that they will lose i will surely call my family to run first. I as a soldier will cover their backs. When they get away safely i will run too.
will you be in Mindef ops room, or any of the div HQ command center? to see the clear signs that they will lose?? how may I know your family can run first and how are you covering their back? as a soldier???
hmm... few days into the war, and suddenly evacuation begins, secret doc are being burnt, the generals are leaving, .....then this smart private soldier run to his family and ask them to pack, and with a rifle, he escorted them through the chaotic PIE leading to changi airport, watch them board the last SQ flight out, or send them on a sampan under cover of a pitch dark night in changi village..... watch too many hollywood movies. -
Before the war broke out i think Mindef will recall all the NS man first, they will report to thier respective camp and maybe not allowed to contact thier family and the outside world. Military police will be busying arresting those who did not comply with the activation. This people will just wait for order from the top for action. And maybe you won't see your family again if you are send for mission. And need not mention of covering your family.Originally posted by sgdiehard: will you be in Mindef ops room, or any of the div HQ command center? to see the clear signs that they will lose?? how may I know your family can run first and how are you covering their back? as a soldier???
hmm... few days into the war, and suddenly evacuation begins, secret doc are being burnt, the generals are leaving, .....then this smart private soldier run to his family and ask them to pack, and with a rifle, he escorted them through the chaotic PIE leading to changi airport, watch them board the last SQ flight out, or send them on a sampan under cover of a pitch dark night in changi village..... watch too many hollywood movies. -
The MPs better be ready to fight at the frontline, these days, MPs must peform Infantry patrols, not stay behind and be REMFs that only arrest deserters.Originally posted by grandeur:Before the war broke out i think Mindef will recall all the NS man first, they will report to thier respective camp and maybe not allowed to contact thier family and the outside world. Military police will be busying arresting those who did not comply with the activation. This people will just wait for order from the top for action. And maybe you won't see your family again if you are send for mission. And need not mention of covering your family.
If you are an NSman, draw up a SOP for your family in case you get recalled out of the blue.List down steps they can take to ascertain if there is a war on the horizon. -
I will do a survey and collect a sample of 50 questionaires on National Service and Foreign Talent.
If the surveys shows that i am the minority, i have to seriously rethink about my views. But if the surveys shows significant number of Singaporeans would not fight for Singapore in times of war, a huge influx of foreigners would be a threat to our national security.
I will publish the results in sgforums in 1 weeks time with full results together with the questions. -
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this I believe all NS men have to be prepared for. Knowing how the SAF would fight a war, you would be out of singapore (unless you are from PDF) in no time where war would be fought. The MP from your repective brigade or division would be with you and they have many things to do out there where actions are, no time to catch deserters, after all, we have no use of deserters in the front line.Originally posted by grandeur:Before the war broke out i think Mindef will recall all the NS man first, they will report to thier respective camp and maybe not allowed to contact thier family and the outside world. Military police will be busying arresting those who did not comply with the activation. This people will just wait for order from the top for action. And maybe you won't see your family again if you are send for mission. And need not mention of covering your family.
When all actions are over, when peace is achieved either enemy defeated or truce agreed through negotiation or foreign intervention, we will then hang those deserters upside down, by their balls, parade them along Orchard Road, then confiscate their singapore passport, give them 2 weeks stay here to see if they can find a job and become an FT 
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YOU BETTER START TO RETHINK ABOUT YOURSELF SERIOUSLY RIGHT NOW!!Originally posted by Calvin86:I will do a survey and collect a sample of 50 questionaires on National Service and Foreign Talent.
If the surveys shows that i am the minority, i have to seriously rethink about my views. But if the surveys shows significant number of Singaporeans would not fight for Singapore in times of war, a huge influx of foreigners would be a threat to our national security.
I will publish the results in sgforums in 1 weeks time with full results together with the questions. -
In other words, you're going to let your personal judgement be swayed by what other people think.Originally posted by Calvin86:I will do a survey and collect a sample of 50 questionaires on National Service and Foreign Talent.
If the surveys shows that i am the minority, i have to seriously rethink about my views. But if the surveys shows significant number of Singaporeans would not fight for Singapore in times of war, a huge influx of foreigners would be a threat to our national security.
I will publish the results in sgforums in 1 weeks time with full results together with the questions.
Oh well.
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+ 1 for sgdiehard! *claps claps*
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I'd rather string up the assholes who thought invading Singapore was easy.NNB.Originally posted by sgdiehard:this I believe all NS men have to be prepared for. Knowing how the SAF would fight a war, you would be out of singapore (unless you are from PDF) in no time where war would be fought. The MP from your repective brigade or division would be with you and they have many things to do out there where actions are, no time to catch deserters, after all, we have no use of deserters in the front line.
When all actions are over, when peace is achieved either enemy defeated or truce agreed through negotiation or foreign intervention, we will then hang those deserters upside down, by their balls, parade them along Orchard Road, then confiscate their singapore passport, give them 2 weeks stay here to see if they can find a job and become an FT -
Wait a sec.... hang by their balls? How to? They have no balls to begin with!Originally posted by sgdiehard:this I believe all NS men have to be prepared for. Knowing how the SAF would fight a war, you would be out of singapore (unless you are from PDF) in no time where war would be fought. The MP from your repective brigade or division would be with you and they have many things to do out there where actions are, no time to catch deserters, after all, we have no use of deserters in the front line.
When all actions are over, when peace is achieved either enemy defeated or truce agreed through negotiation or foreign intervention, we will then hang those deserters upside down, by their balls, parade them along Orchard Road, then confiscate their singapore passport, give them 2 weeks stay here to see if they can find a job and become an FT -
No its not that. Coz people like sg diehard are not the type of people i met in NS. He says " Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" hahahaahaOriginally posted by fudgester:In other words, you're going to let your personal judgement be swayed by what other people think.
Oh well.
Maybe i am delusional. Most Singaporeans are like him and i want to verify loh -
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This is to Calvin, did u watch "The Pianist" on channel5 saturday nite?
If so, wat lessons can u draw from? -
I'll fight, it is just part of our intrinsic human nature when others transgress upon what belongs to ours that we fend for ourselves and make the other pay uptimes the trouble he imposed on us. If we are just to run without a fight, what more of ourselves do we have left? then just flesh and bone.
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You miss the point. If a King does not treat it subjects fairly, then surely its subjects loyalty will waver in times of crisis. This has been so in the history of man. there are plenty of examples to quote from Chinese history.Originally posted by Quincey:I'll fight, it is just part of our intrinsic human nature when others transgress upon what belongs to ours that we fend for ourselves and make the other pay uptimes the trouble he imposed on us. If we are just to run without a fight, what more of ourselves do we have left? then just flesh and bone.
I hope my survey shed some light on some realities. I believe there is already some dissatifaction on the current foreign "talent" policy and if the floodgate opens it will be worse. -
You're missing the point. This is exactly what you said:Originally posted by Calvin86:No its not that. Coz people like sg diehard are not the type of people i met in NS. He says " Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" hahahaaha
Maybe i am delusional. Most Singaporeans are like him and i want to verify loh
In other words, what you're saying is that you are going to let your own personal viewpoints be swayed by what the majority thinks. You would rather be 'following the crowd' and blindly follow the results of a single survey (how big is your survey size anyway) rather than risk being in the minority.Originally posted by Calvin86:If the surveys shows that i am the minority, i have to seriously rethink about my views.
Still, I disagree with your stand, and if war were to ever come to our shores, I seriously hope that I will not be ordered to use my SAR-21 on deserters. I want to spray 5.56mm rounds at my enemies, and not at fellow Singaporeans who simply don't like the way things are run around here.
I already told you: I will not fight for those politicians with their fat paychecks in their ivory towers. I will fight for my family and friends not because everyone else is doing it... but because they are the ones I truly love and cherish.
Even so, as much as I disagree with your stand, your credibility will take a beating if you just blindly follow the crowd. -
(how big is your survey size anyway).
In statistics, we call this sampling, there isnt a need to ask everyone. If you take a smaller sample, there will be a larger confidence interval.
I wont reply to this thread anymore until the survey results are out. -
I'm always amazed how many people use this place to do their homework.
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The foreign talent policy all along was flawed. Seems like their contributions are to the high-end sectors of the economy are valued more than the local people's.
And didn't the quote "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" originate during the American Revolution? -
What if the 'enemy' lurks among ourselves...?Originally posted by Calvin86:Would you fight for Singapore if the Singapore Govt decides to increase to the population to 6-7 million?
I wouldnt stake my life for a place where there is little difference between foreigners and locals. Singapore is one of the few uniques places where it has a large foreign workforce and yet relies on a reservist army from citizens to defend it.
If the population increases to 6-7 million in future, i am not ashamed to say i would flee Singapore in times of war. Why should i defend the assets of foreigners?
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw06/060226st.htm
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What about the Swedes?Originally posted by Fatum:first country that comes to my mind is Israel ... it still has a large population of palestinians, yes, palestinians, that comes over the border every day, just like we do ... (why do you think it's so difficult to stamp out terrorists and suicide bombers ?) .. and if you think 2 years is tough, try Israel, 3 full years of NS ....
many European countries, e.g. Germany, still impose National service, and they also have a large population of guest workers from last time (turkish, middle eastern guest workers)
it is, like i said, the privilege and burden of defending a country falls onto that country's and that country's citizens alone, you can't expect anyone else to fight for you, I hate repeating myself, so read my previous post again ...
if the task of defending what yourself and your loved ones and assets is just a job to you, like you implied, since you're weighting off the benefits and trade-offs here ... it brings us to my same old question, what if you migrate to another country, wouldn't you be, just like you said, be another leacher off that country, that society ? ... ... since I reckon, your roots are weak in that country ? ... and you probably wouldn't fight for them ? ....
do you weight trade-offs and benefits when asked to defend your loved ones and your family ? ... when shit happens, do you think, oh ... I'm risking my life to defend all the banglas and maids and foreign talents in Singapore, cos there are (going to be) more of them than Singaporeans, or, do you think: it's for my family, my loved ones ..... -
no, they were uttered by JFK .....Originally posted by iveco:The foreign talent policy all along was flawed. Seems like their contributions are to the high-end sectors of the economy are valued more than the local people's.
And didn't the quote "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" originate during the American Revolution?
but what's your point ? ... the two parts of your post seem to contradict each other ..... -
they have compulsory military service too ...Originally posted by iveco:What about the Swedes? -
Ah, JFK. Anyone watched 13 Days? I always thought that quote was from George Washington or something.Originally posted by Fatum:no, they were uttered by JFK .....
but what's your point ? ... the two parts of your post seem to contradict each other .....
If the threadstarter says Sgdiehard is a JFK type, isn't he saying the latter is influenced by AMerica?