Would you fight for Singapore if........
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dun forget.. government will want u guys to protect these foreign investments....
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I feel like an US soldier dying for Iraqi oil.Originally posted by BadzMaro:dun forget.. government will want u guys to protect these foreign investments....
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lol.. exactly.. so what to do lo..Originally posted by LazerLordz:I feel like an US soldier dying for Iraqi oil.
Seen the movie JARHEAD ? he he... -
i feel like I'm in Courage Under Fire. Or Basic. Or any one of those sort of movies. U dun even have to be in the military to feel like that...Originally posted by LazerLordz:I feel like an US soldier dying for Iraqi oil. -
Welcome to the SUCK.Originally posted by BadzMaro:lol.. exactly.. so what to do lo..
Seen the movie JARHEAD ? he he...
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yup.. u seen it..Originally posted by LazerLordz:Welcome to the SUCK. 
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Survey - the story
I prepared and wrote my survey of 10 question and double checked the questionaire a few times and printed 52 copies.
I walked into the streets of Singapore and started asking the passerbys to help me do my questoinaires.
Afterawhile, i started to realised that i could be easily mistaken for a pesky insurance agent with my stack of questionaire. Everyone was avoiding me.
Alas i found some kind souls who would help me to fill the questionaires.
But for some strange reason, no one would write their name on the questionaire. I wonder if it is like what Seah Cheng Nee had said "Voting is secret." sympton. Singaporeans i think, do not like to make their political opinions known. One even ask me if i am from the government ministry.
After one whole afternoon, i counted the questionaires but i am still way off from my 50 target mark. After this experience, i really sympathize with those pesky insurance agents. -
Originally posted by judge&jury:
80% of Singaporeans have never voted anyway
2. All second generation PR need to serve Singapore NS but do not have the right to vote for Election.
3. Even though Second generation PR need to Serve Singapore NS but they do get any extra benefits . They can still only buy resale HDB flats , not allowed to vote if there will be an upgrade in the HDB flat that he owns. Worse , he will not even get any government subsidies for the flat upgrade proposed by the HDB and need to pay thoundsand of dollars for the upgrade when it only cost a few hundred to a Singaporean
The rising single population means that fewer Singaporeans will benefit from HDB loans.4. Second generation PR also do not get cheap loan from HDB to buy the resale flat.
The money saved in working 2 years would have easily covered the amount.
Or help Singapore to build an astronomical record for reserves.
All the taxes will be use to subsidise Singaporean in term of medical , HDB and development of Singapore. -
actually the choice facing singaporeans can be summed up into one simple question:
Would u rather be treated like a 3rd class citizen in Singapore or somewhere else with better opportunities? -
i would fight for S'pore... even though i think we will eventually lose if we got caught in a protracted battle..
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Originally posted by HENG@:actually the choice facing singaporeans can be summed up into one simple question:
Would u rather be treated like a 3rd class citizen in Singapore or somewhere else with better opportunities?
I wanted to bring myself to agree with your view but inside me disagree.
If we cannot stand up in Singapore, it will be difficult for commoner like us to make it to another developed countries. We are all singaporeans, the only difference is how rich you are and how poor I am.. no class. Only things is that the gap is getting bigger like ozone layer.
Read our pledge carefully as quoted "We, the citzen of Singapore, pledged ourself as one united people, regardless of races, languages or religions, ......etc etc". It had worked and it can't be wrong. I personally have strong faith in it.
[b]Sorry to pour cold water over your shoulder. Those successful stories shown to us are people likely with $$$ and established connections. . I don't think average Singaporean without $$$ can go out and started his career easily. (no thinking of opportunity).
Other countries like UK, Aust have employment law that banned unskilled foreigner from going there to work. Unless, someone is so special else he will have no door to be engaged in any open employment into their countries.
Your chances of success is only if you are thinking of 3rd world countries, where yet to discovered by other developers.
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Yes, they can, provided they leave Singapore before age 11 and so do not enjoy the benefits of the Singapore education and other services.Originally posted by LazerLordz:can they give it up before they turn 21? If not, NS has caught them already.
"National service liable males who migrate overseas before age 11 and have not enjoyed significant socio-economic benefits of citizenship, (e.g. applied for a Singapore Identity Card or studied in Singapore beyond the age of 11), will be allowed to renounce their Singapore citizenship if they do not wish to fulfil their NS obligations. They will be required to register for NS with Central Manpower Base and apply for deferment from full-time NS (NSF) till the age of 21, pending the renunciation of their Singapore citizenship. They can continue to make short social visits to Singapore and will not be required to serve NS if they renounced their citizenship at age 21."
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If you are talking about PRs... They can give up their Permanent Residence status at any age. Lets say he chooses to give it up at 17... The government can't do anything.Originally posted by LazerLordz:can they give it up before they turn 21? If not, NS has caught them already.
However, a citizen will be in a tougher spot. If he happens to be Singapore-born, then he can't renounce until he is 21 which obviously, he would have completed his NS already.
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Originally posted by king108:
sorry but average singaporean are not without $$$. And yes i know many friends who have left sg and they are not rich. I[b] wanted to bring myself to agree with your view but inside me disagree.
If we cannot stand up in Singapore, it will be difficult for commoner like us to make it to another developed countries. We are all singaporeans, the only difference is how rich you are and how poor I am.. no class. Only things is that the gap is getting bigger like ozone layer.
Read our pledge carefully as quoted "We, the citzen of Singapore, pledged ourself as one united people, regardless of races, languages or religions, ......etc etc". It had worked and it can't be wrong. I personally have strong faith in it. [b]Sorry to pour cold water over your shoulder. Those successful stories shown to us are people likely with $$$ and established connections. . I don't think average Singaporean without $$$ can go out and started his career easily. (no thinking of opportunity).
Other countries like UK, Aust have employment law that banned unskilled foreigner from going there to work. Unless, someone is so special else he will have no door to be engaged in any open employment into their countries. Your chances of success is only if you are thinking of 3rd world countries, where yet to discovered by other developers.
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finally, another reason about sg society that i dislike is tat if they think they don't have a chance of doing well outside the system, the try to make everyone else think this way(aka pour cold water). These are the real quitters. -
to the name part.Originally posted by Calvin86:Survey - the story
I prepared and wrote my survey of 10 question and double checked the questionaire a few times and printed 52 copies.
I walked into the streets of Singapore and started asking the passerbys to help me do my questoinaires.
Afterawhile, i started to realised that i could be easily mistaken for a pesky insurance agent with my stack of questionaire. Everyone was avoiding me.
Alas i found some kind souls who would help me to fill the questionaires.
But for some strange reason, no one would write their name on the questionaire. I wonder if it is like what Seah Cheng Nee had said "Voting is secret." sympton. Singaporeans i think, do not like to make their political opinions known. One even ask me if i am from the government ministry.
After one whole afternoon, i counted the questionaires but i am still way off from my 50 target mark. After this experience, i really sympathize with those pesky insurance agents.
why the hell do you need the names?? or ic number etc?
i wont give it to you too. for the simple reason that you do not need it and any extra information given out is a risk to myself for no addd benefit -
now this is an oxymoron.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:enjoy the benefits of the Singapore education
its not education. its crude mass production, its brainwashing, its impersonal cloning, its a lot of other things but its not education and its benefits are highly doubtful. Benefits for the individual being top priority or benefits for the individuals within being top priority. -
I feel the earth moving, preparing for another debate of Titanic proportions.
If you want to leave, leave.
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Originally posted by HENG@:sorry but average singaporean are not without $$$. And yes i know many friends who have left sg and they are not rich.
finally, another reason about sg society that i dislike is tat if they think they don't have a chance of doing well outside the system, the try to make everyone else think this way(aka pour cold water). These are the real quitters. Well I sincerely hoped that your claim is true. That will be good for singapore. -
By the way, are you back in Singapore. Am I right to say that you are borned in 1983 = 23 years old and location still UK as stated in your pofile?Originally posted by king108: Well I sincerely hoped that your claim is true. That will be good for singapore. -
countdown till the day i leave this God-forsaken uber-bureaucratic nazi wonderland for good: 2 years.
and the clock slowly ticks away... -
fully agree,Originally posted by LazerLordz:I feel the earth moving, preparing for another debate of Titanic proportions.
If you want to leave, leave.
If you want to stay, stay and don't complain. -
I would fight for Singapore only if she issues me m4 + ak47 and unlimted ammo .Originally posted by Calvin86:Would you fight for Singapore if the Singapore Govt decides to increase to the population to 6-7 million?
I wouldnt stake my life for a place where there is little difference between foreigners and locals. Singapore is one of the few uniques places where it has a large foreign workforce and yet relies on a reservist army from citizens to defend it.
If the population increases to 6-7 million in future, i am not ashamed to say i would flee Singapore in times of war. Why should i defend the assets of foreigners?
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw06/060226st.htm -
We people from JB will be happy and willing to fight for it because we are given the jobs and able to feed our population on our side... and we are happy about our remittances to our home too..
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Sadly i think the best way to play the game is to get a PR somewhere else.
In the dawn of war.. one should leave to the PR country of their choice with their families. The hell with fighting for government and forign assets.
Sadly , with a globalised world come mobility and gentle erosion of commitment's original meaning.
Since singapore is now run like a corporation , ask ur slef this.... if ur company is gonna go bankrupt and they ask u to help bail them out with some of ur cash if u wanna maintain employment, do u give thme ur cash, or is it more prudent to find another JOB?
I will not lay my life down for people who wont fight by my side. I will however fight with and for singaporeans (brothers).
The government has to sincerely consider rewarding/treating citizens and its conscript/reservists a little better. We aint the government's bitch. Just because we are poor dint mean we are expendable and that we will fight for rich man's assets. Close the income gap and we might just stay and fight! -
I would stay and fight for our land, not just for the nation we've built, but more for my loved ones, family and friends that me have.Originally posted by Calvin86:Would you fight for Singapore if the Singapore Govt decides to increase to the population to 6-7 million?
I wouldnt stake my life for a place where there is little difference between foreigners and locals. Singapore is one of the few uniques places where it has a large foreign workforce and yet relies on a reservist army from citizens to defend it.
If the population increases to 6-7 million in future, i am not ashamed to say i would flee Singapore in times of war. Why should i defend the assets of foreigners?
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw06/060226st.htm