Would you fight for Singapore if........
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The law on NS is being revised is to appease angry local about theOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:What makes you think there was no answer? Why do you think the new law on NS dodgers was revised so soon?
But get back to the topic...save your flaming somewhere else
Mervyn Tan 's case. -
U mean social problem in what sense?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:People will fight if they have something worthwhile in Singapore to defend.
As for thise who would rather emigrate, there is nothing to stop them from leaving, provided others want them. In fact, if they cannot succeed in Singapore, it might be better for the country that they leave and not contribute to the social problems at home. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:People will fight if they have something worthwhile in Singapore to defend.
As for thise who would rather emigrate, there is nothing to stop them from leaving, provided others want them. In fact, if they cannot succeed in Singapore, it might be better for the country that they leave and not contribute to the social problems at home.
Generally loyal citzen of the republic of singapore will take up arm and fight when facing invaders.
Reason, no place to retreat,
Worthwhile to defend, I can think is immediate family only.
Frankly speaking, should there be any wars, commoners are left behind, hence the only way is the fight. You got no radars, no intelligences information, even have timely information, the airport will be closed.
No comment on your last para. Even if they stayed, they are still one of us.
"Social problems?" definition. to who? offencers will be dealed with lawfully if found guilty. -
I sincerely believed if the local liked to achived these luxurious thing, they should fight on for Spore. If the country is no longer exist, where u thinkOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:Because Singaporeans want the 6 Cs, the nice car and the yearly holiday to Europe...they want a comfortable lifestyle and so they have to work for it and many are willing to do so...
If you are satisfied with a rented 3-room flat, take SBS and MRT and earn just above 1k a month, that's your choice. It's true that many girls may label you a bum but you won't be interested in them either...or would you???
they can pursue their ideal? -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:People will fight if they have something worthwhile in Singapore to defend.
As for thise who would rather emigrate, there is nothing to stop them from leaving, provided others want them. In fact, if they cannot succeed in Singapore, it might be better for the country that they leave and not contribute to the social problems at home.
agree. I respect those who leave now then to wait for a war. -
So apparently success in Singapore is the global benchmark for success eh?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:People will fight if they have something worthwhile in Singapore to defend.
As for thise who would rather emigrate, there is nothing to stop them from leaving, provided others want them. In fact, if they cannot succeed in Singapore, it might be better for the country that they leave and not contribute to the social problems at home.
Care to recommend a good orthopaedic surgeon because I'm on the floor now, laughing my ass off and I can't get up.
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now now some people just like to suck the government's balls and we should respect their choice.
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What kind of conflict u mean? Conflict with other countries is not possible but threat from terrorism is possible considering Spore's pro US stand.Originally posted by sgdiehard: agree. I respect those who leave now then to wait for a war. -
Exactly..that's why I said they did listen to people like me.Originally posted by will4:The law on NS is being revised is to appease angry local about the
Mervyn Tan 's case.
The government made a mistake by not plugging the loophole in the law earlier. Like many others, I complained to the top about this travesty of justice and I received a reply that they were working to revise the law shortly...and they did. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
So apparently [b]success in Singapore is the global benchmark for success eh?
Care to recommend a good orthopaedic surgeon because I'm on the floor now, laughing my ass off and I can't get up. [/b] Those are your words, not mine..
It's simple really. Like our forebears who left China and India for a better life elsewhere, people emigrate because they are not successful in their homeland for various reasons. There might not be jobs for their skills, they might not be politically astute enough for their country of origin or their political views were not acceptable to their countrymen, whatever..
I do not think it is wrong for them to emigrate and I think that is the right thing for them to do. Those who are successful, whether it be the Mandarins in Imperial China or the elites in the Singaporean Civil Service, will not leave.
Obviously what is meant by success depends on an individual's perceptions and expectations. However, if those who consider themselves as unable to succeed in Singapore remain in the country, their growing unhappiness will only fester and generate social unrest. That will create social problems and it would have been better for them to leave. -
Laz, his meaning cannot be clearer. He's saying that dissidents of the current system should faster leave so PAP won't have a challenge for power on their hands. It'd be a disaster if they fell from power and can no longer enjoy the good life like they used to. Its simply a clear cut case of power corrupting.Originally posted by oxford mushroom: Those are your words, not mine..
It's simple really. Like our forebears who left China and India for a better life elsewhere, people emigrate because they are not successful in their homeland for various reasons. There might not be jobs for their skills, they might not be politically astute enough for their country of origin or their political views were not acceptable to their countrymen, whatever..
I do not think it is wrong for them to emigrate and I think that is the right thing for them to do. Those who are successful, whether it be the Mandarins in Imperial China or the elites in the Singaporean Civil Service, will not leave.
Obviously what is meant by success depends on an individual's perceptions and expectations. However, if those who consider themselves as unable to succeed in Singapore remain in the country, their growing unhappiness will only fester and generate social unrest. That will create social problems and it would have been better for them to leave.
George Orwell's Animal Farm anyone? -
What about covering up manslaughter for white horses? How come u talk to them so long still no reply on that? Listen to u?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Exactly..that's why I said they did listen to people like me.
The government made a mistake by not plugging the loophole in the law earlier. Like many others, I complained to the top about this travesty of justice and I received a reply that they were working to revise the law shortly...and they did.
They listen to the people when it suits their own interest la.
Sigh... looks like Singapore is beyond rescue already. -
someone here once said, "To fly like an eagle u have to leave the turkeys"
It's ok to be seen as a failure as a turkey as long as I can be a neagle. Even mediocre eagles fly higher than turkeys can jump. The real injustice is to force an eagle to be a turkey just because the turkeys think that a turkey is the best thing to be. -
why is turkey a failure?Originally posted by HENG@:someone here once said, "To fly like an eagle u have to leave the turkeys"
It's ok to be seen as a failure as a turkey as long as I can be a neagle. Even mediocre eagles fly higher than turkeys can jump. The real injustice is to force an eagle to be a turkey just because the turkeys think that a turkey is the best thing to be. 
why is flying eagle better? not all that fly are eagles, sparrow also fly you know. anyway, eagles fly higher because that is the only thing they do.
There are also birds like Swan, who prefer to stay on the ground, in small little ponds where they enjoy their life. But don't think they cannot fly, swans are strong fliers, when it becomes necessary.
Swans are graceful to watch, turkeys are good especially during Christmas, what is the use of eagles, falcon, ....or for that matter the little sparrow that can fly high high?
acknowledge that the difference, we don't force an eagle to be a turkey but eagle also dont' laugh at turkey. On the ground there are also swans, peacock....time to visit the birds park again. -
why talk about the sparrow n other birds? here these 2 birds are specifically used to represent those who have the mindset that only the stayers are successes and quitters are failures, n those who see otherwise.Originally posted by sgdiehard:why is turkey a failure?
why is flying eagle better? not all that fly are eagles, sparrow also fly you know. anyway, eagles fly higher because that is the only thing they do.
There are also birds like Swan, who prefer to stay on the ground, in small little ponds where they enjoy their life. But don't think they cannot fly, swans are strong fliers, when it becomes necessary.
Swans are graceful to watch, turkeys are good especially during Christmas, what is the use of eagles, falcon, ....or for that matter the little sparrow that can fly high high?
acknowledge that the difference, we don't force an eagle to be a turkey but eagle also dont' laugh at turkey. On the ground there are also swans, peacock....time to visit the birds park again.
I never said a turkey is a failure. however, i said that if u force an eagle to stay with turkeys, of course the eagle will fail at being a turkey. that is my meaning, and i think u did not understand the metaphors at all.
and I doubt if u realise that, yes, u DO force eagles to be turkeys. The point is, if an eagle wishes to soar, why restrict them from doing so just because turkeys think that its best to be a turkey? The eagles aren't laughing at the turkeys. On the contary, the eagles are sick and resentful of being forced to be a turkey, or be labelled as a failure. This backlash against the turkeys is something they've had coming a long time ago, no thanks to their oppression and dismissal of eagles who wish to leave and be eagles instead of being turkeys.
to add on also, there will of course be some turkeys who think they r swans n some turkeys who think they r eagles. but at least those who think they're eagles dare to try to fly high like an eagle, while those who think they r swans just continue to sit and do nothing exactly as a turkey does, while being content with thinking they can fly if they need to. Truth is, when the need comes, they will find out they're turkeys afterall. -
Damn..gawd so many birds..
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some of you take these politicians words too seriously. this thing about quitters is the s h i t s that come out of lao goh's mouth when he had diarrhea of the brain, when his wife got the same illness, she got peanuts coming out of her mouth. GCT asked people go buy shares with their cpf money, those who listened ended up losing lots of money. blame the government? I think they should blame themselves.Originally posted by HENG@:why talk about the sparrow n other birds? here these 2 birds are specifically used to represent those who have the mindset that only the stayers are successes and quitters are failures, n those who see otherwise.
I never said a turkey is a failure. however, i said that if u force an eagle to stay with turkeys, of course the eagle will fail at being a turkey. that is my meaning, and i think u did not understand the metaphors at all.
and I doubt if u realise that, yes, u DO force eagles to be turkeys. The point is, if an eagle wishes to soar, why restrict them from doing so just because turkeys think that its best to be a turkey? The eagles aren't laughing at the turkeys. On the contary, the eagles are sick and resentful of being forced to be a turkey, or be labelled as a failure. This backlash against the turkeys is something they've had coming a long time ago, no thanks to their oppression and dismissal of eagles who wish to leave and be eagles instead of being turkeys.
to add on also, there will of course be some turkeys who think they r swans n some turkeys who think they r eagles. but at least those who think they're eagles dare to try to fly high like an eagle, while those who think they r swans just continue to sit and do nothing exactly as a turkey does, while being content with thinking they can fly if they need to. Truth is, when the need comes, they will find out they're turkeys afterall.
Not all singaporeans listen to the politicians, some singaporeans listen to some politicians sometimes.
If you can fly, labelling you a failure will not stop you from flying; if it does, you have the mentality of a turkey already.
turkeys will always be turkey no matter what they want to think otherwise, they will never fly no matter how daring they try. swans cannot be forced to become turkeys, swans do not pretend to be eagles. swans are proud to be swans, they walk on land, swin in water and fly... and the truth is, swans fly, no matter what the eagle wish to think!! but most eagle would like to think that they are golden eagles, but they act like vultures, when they are actually only bald eagle, or just another bird that flies.
There is this story about learning to fly. eaglets live on nests that are high on cliff or big trees, when they are about 12 weeks old, the mother eagles just took them higher up and dump them, the eaglets struggled to fly, thats how they learn. Whereas swans nest on the shores of pond, lakes and bays, they fly after they have grown their flight feathers when they are about 14 weeks old, at their own time, if they need to fly before time, small cygnets may ride on their parents backs. Swans have strong family ties, larger eaglets attack small eaglets for food.
You are what you are, a swan that cannot fly is not a swan. A swan that cannot fly will not make an eagle swim in water. You are want you are, nobody can force you. I think I have enough of bird talk.
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we can always substitute eagle for another bird that flies, like a sparrow. Sparrows do not eat smaller sparrows for food.Originally posted by sgdiehard:some of you take these politicians words too seriously. this thing about quitters is the s h i t s that come out of lao goh's mouth when he had diarrhea of the brain, when his wife got the same illness, she got peanuts coming out of her mouth. GCT asked people go buy shares with their cpf money, those who listened ended up losing lots of money. blame the government? I think they should blame themselves.
Not all singaporeans listen to the politicians, some singaporeans listen to some politicians sometimes.
If you can fly, labelling you a failure will not stop you from flying; if it does, you have the mentality of a turkey already.
turkeys will always be turkey no matter what they want to think otherwise, they will never fly no matter how daring they try. swans cannot be forced to become turkeys, swans do not pretend to be eagles. swans are proud to be swans, they walk on land, swin in water and fly... and the truth is, swans fly, no matter what the eagle wish to think!! but most eagle would like to think that they are golden eagles, but they act like vultures, when they are actually only bald eagle, or just another bird that flies.
There is this story about learning to fly. eaglets live on nests that are high on cliff or big trees, when they are about 12 weeks old, the mother eagles just took them higher up and dump them, the eaglets struggled to fly, thats how they learn. Whereas swans nest on the shores of pond, lakes and bays, they fly after they have grown their flight feathers when they are about 14 weeks old, at their own time, if they need to fly before time, small cygnets may ride on their parents backs. Swans have strong family ties, larger eaglets attack small eaglets for food.
You are what you are, a swan that cannot fly is not a swan. A swan that cannot fly will not make an eagle swim in water. You are want you are, nobody can force you. I think I have enough of bird talk.
cheers.
or u can also put it this way. i'd rather be the chicken who faces the fox in the wild, than the chicken who lives only for the benefit of the farmers in the chicken farm factory.
in the end, when one of u catch bird flu, your masters will simply kill all of u. -
If you catch bird flu, your master will also kill you, like they killed the mad cow.Originally posted by HENG@:we can always substitute eagle for another bird that flies, like a sparrow. Sparrows do not eat smaller sparrows for food.
or u can also put it this way. i'd rather be the chicken who faces the fox in the wild, than the chicken who lives only for the benefit of the farmers in the chicken farm factory.
in the end, when one of u catch bird flu, your masters will simply kill all of u.
I am my own master of my life, if I have to serve somebody, it will be for my benefits and I will do the choosing, and PAP is the fox we are facing now. -
if i catch bird flu, bird flu will kill me, nobody else will.Originally posted by sgdiehard:If you catch bird flu, your master will also kill you, like they killed the mad cow.
I am my own master of my life, if I have to serve somebody, it will be for my benefits and I will do the choosing, and PAP is the fox we are facing now.
u're given the illusion of being the master of your own choice. Singapore is the chicken farm-factory, PAP are your masters, they run the chicken farm-factory u live in. Things like a higher crime rate in other countries are the fox, from which u might be protected from, but in return, u're expected to sacrifice to benefit your master.
Its interesting to see how u twisted this easy-to-understand metaphor around to make it sound like u're not under their thumb. -
With so many foreign assets to protect...it will definitely be safe for foreign investments to thrive here while we risked our lives and protect them and families..they will shift all finances back to own country and go back to their homelands..
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Which case of covering up manslaughter for white horses?Originally posted by HENG@:What about covering up manslaughter for white horses? How come u talk to them so long still no reply on that? Listen to u?
They listen to the people when it suits their own interest la.
Sigh... looks like Singapore is beyond rescue already. -
I will fight for Singapore no matters wat happens, born a Singaporean die a Singaporean
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During those time in China n India, there is many turmoil, poverty also causing people from these country to leave in search of a better livehood.Originally posted by oxford mushroom: Those are your words, not mine..
It's simple really. Like our forebears who left China and India for a better life elsewhere, people emigrate because they are not successful in their homeland for various reasons. There might not be jobs for their skills, they might not be politically astute enough for their country of origin or their political views were not acceptable to their countrymen, whatever..
I do not think it is wrong for them to emigrate and I think that is the right thing for them to do. Those who are successful, whether it be the Mandarins in Imperial China or the elites in the Singaporean Civil Service, will not leave.
Obviously what is meant by success depends on an individual's perceptions and expectations. However, if those who consider themselves as unable to succeed in Singapore remain in the country, their growing unhappiness will only fester and generate social unrest. That will create social problems and it would have been better for them to leave.
In Spore, the people living mostly those unable to cope with the dual language policy. During secondary school days, if a student failed his second language cannot go to JC. -
Indeed, the bird analogies are confusing, but it all boils down to which one tastes the best on the dinner table. My vote goes to the turkey.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Damn..gawd so many birds..