Opposition candidates disappointing
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No worries...i'm kinda getting used to it anywayOriginally posted by anonymouscoward:Darn.. now it seems like I will need anger management
My apology BillyBong.
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London and Sydney have implemented similar ERP system. Other western countries are catching up too. Singapore has one of the best public transport systems in the World. If given a choice, many foreigners would rather take public transport. Many foreigners are forced to own cars because their public transport is expensive and useless. Those poor folks who cannot afford cars are confined at home. BTW, Singapore taxi fare is one of the cheapest in the World. Try taking taxi in western countries.Originally posted by casino_king:Please do not pretend you do not know what everybody knows.
I asked some overseas people a simple question: "are you willing to pay the kind of money to get rid of the traffic jams?"
No average perosn in their right mind said yes.
What is your solution to our traffic problem?
You sound communist to me. We live in a capitalism system. Even China economy is gradually moving toward capitalism. Nobody is going to deprive you from getting rich. Bare in mind, you need to be rich to help the poor. Wrong! I am not rich. I drive a 10 years old Nissan March. Not for my job, I will take public transport.Originally posted by casino_king:Only the rich - so you see, the system is by the rich for the rich. I guess you must be "the rich."
That is why there is the need for the legal cheating and the suppression to go on. You see, the majority are "the poor." If they are fair, they would have been kicked out to the moon. -
Originally posted by exkiwi:
If given a choice, many foreigners would rather take public transport. Many foreigners are forced to own cars because their public transport is expensive and useless.
you may have gotten the cause and effect mixed up. it is because cars are cheap and convenient that everybody owns cars, which in turn means that demand for public transportation is low and hence not optimised economically.
Nobody is going to deprive you from getting rich.
at the same time, nobody's gonna help you go against the monopolistic powers of government related enterprises ... -
Originally posted by snow leopard:
you may have gotten the cause and effect mixed up. it is because cars are cheap and convenient that everybody owns cars, which in turn means that demand for public transportation is low and hence not optimised economically.
Not everybody owns car. Though cars are cheap, some people cannot even afford it. Escalating petrol price is killing the people but they have no other alternatives. Their public road systems are subsidised by rates payers and some not even own cars.
Originally posted by snow leopard:
at the same time, nobody's gonna help you go against the monopolistic powers of government related enterprises ...
Such phenomenon happens everywhere, including the western countries which come in different forms. Big corparations influence legislation to their advantage, driving out competition and potetial threat. If you have the will to succeed, you can make it anywhere. It is easy for you to blame the government for ones business failure. -
Originally posted by exkiwi:
Not everybody owns car.
most do (own cars) or in much greater percentage than here.
Though cars are cheap, some people cannot even afford it.
a very small number that is compared to many of us here (who can't afford it) ...
Escalating petrol price is killing the people but they have no other alternatives.
that's only recently right? and what about our fuel prices? passed on to consumers as increased fares isn't it?
Their public road systems are subsidised by rates payers and some not even own cars.
exactly, their govt subsidise public transporation. here, the govt make money out of public transportation, out of the pockets of the masses.
Such phenomenon happens everywhere, including the western countries which come in different forms.
but nowhere do you find govt monopoly so restrictive than here ... least of all the western countries.
Big corparations influence legislation to their advantage, driving out competition and potetial threat.
big corporations may use their clout to drive out foreign competition, not local competition. anti-competition laws are very well established in the west to prevent any unfair monopoly. here, the govt is the biggest monopoly, the biggest bully.
If you have the will to succeed, you can make it anywhere. It is easy for you to blame the government for ones business failure.
however, making it elsewhere may be a lot easier as compared to making it here where perhaps 50 cents of every dollar you make goes straight into the govt's pocket as easy money.
it's easy to say you can succeed anywhere. let's see the govt succeed anywhere else ... like suzhou ... -
i think it is a good start
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A side effect of ERP system is that it is an enormous revenue generatorOriginally posted by exkiwi:London and Sydney have implemented similar ERP system. Other western countries are catching up too.
U need to bear in mind that Singapore is a small dot too.....but we also offer unbeatable ministerial payOriginally posted by exkiwi:Singapore has one of the best public transport systems in the World.
Cannot just compare from an angle only.Originally posted by exkiwi:BTW, Singapore taxi fare is one of the cheapest in the World. Try taking taxi in western countries.
Car ownership in singapore are the most expensive in the world!
Our taxi fare is not as expensive as some countries, but yet, guess who is earning the bulk of the revenue? I suspect taxi fare increase in the future liao -
I mean having more opposition candidates.Originally posted by SnowFlag:i think it is a good start -
Originally posted by anonymouscoward:
what is best for the country depends on situation and context. if a good govt is in danger of being toppled and replaced by a rogue govt, then the social obligation would indeed be to vote for the good govt. but is this our situation here? is the PAP in danger of being upseated at all? 79 out of 81 seats? virtual monopoly. where is the risk?
we have the moral and social obligation to vote for what is best for the country
given the situation as it is, the moral obligation then becomes one of voting for a stronger opposition voice to keep the monopolists in check. to prevent them from having their way each and every time and running this country to their benefit but at our expense. -
Originally posted by snow leopard:
most do (own cars) or in much greater percentage than here.
They have no choice, public transport is inefficient and land is huge
a very small number that is compared to many of us here (who can't afford it)
Those who did pay by the nose. Without car they will be crippled.
that's only recently right? and what about our fuel prices? passed on to consumers as increased fares isn't it?
Yes, over there the fuel price increase almost everyday. Their government realise they can't afford to subsidise anymore.
What's the problem of increase fuel prices and pass on to consumers? It happens everywhere in capitalism market. At least in Singapore, the fares is affordable and you get World Class transportation system.
exactly, their govt subsidise public transporation. here, the govt make money out of public transportation, out of the pockets of the masses.
Even with their government subsidise, the fare is still higher than Singapore. Do you want an inefficient subsidise public transportation or an efficient public own transportation?
Over there, ratepayers that don't drive (poor folks) subsides those that drives (apparently more well-off). You call this fair? In Singapore, you don't pay a single cents if you don't drive. The public transport system is good enough. If you chose to drive, you pay. Fair isn't it?
but nowhere do you find govt monopoly so restrictive than here ... least of all the western countries.
Please quantify your statement.
big corporations may use their clout to drive out foreign competition, not local competition. anti-competition laws are very well established in the west to prevent any unfair monopoly. here, the govt is the biggest monopoly, the biggest bully.
Wrong! they influence lawmaker and exploit law to drive out small local players.
however, making it elsewhere may be a lot easier as compared to making it here where perhaps 50 cents of every dollar you make goes straight into the govt's pocket as easy money.
ha! over there, you pay 50% to the government before you collect your cheque. On top of that, you pay 12% to 20% (depending on countries) of GST and many other taxes. Basically, your disposal income is about 30% of your pay. Whereas Singapore enjoy one of the lowest tax in developed world.
it's easy to say you can succeed anywhere. let's see the govt succeed anywhere else ... like suzhou ... What is the problem with you? Why would you want to see our government fail elsewhere? Afterall, their success will benefits us all. In business, sometime you pay a price to learn. The game is not over yet. It is not how you start, but how you end. Bare that in mind. -
Originally posted by SnowFlag:
A side effect of ERP system is that it is an enormous revenue generator
Do you have better suggestion to control traffic congestion?
U need to bear in mind that Singapore is a small dot too.....
For car ownership, why are you comparing us with countries with huge dot?
but we also offer unbeatable ministerial pay
How about unbeatable ministerial wealth in other countries where their pay is lesser than you?
Cannot just compare from an angle only.
Car ownership in singapore are the most expensive in the world!
The fact is with that kind of price, Singaporean can still afford to own car.
Our taxi fare is not as expensive as some countries, but yet, guess who is earning the bulk of the revenue? I suspect taxi fare increase in the future liao
The fact is our taxi fare is cheap. -
Singapore is a small country with limited land space. With cheaper cars, it'll mean more traffic jams. With cheaper public transport, it'll mean less buses, less route, less bus-stops. Will putting in the opposition solve this problem? I sincerely doubt so.
If you've travelled and live in other countries, you'll probably appreciate more of what we have here.
- Beijing's MTR system cost only 3RMB regardless of how many stops you take. But the train is old, dirty and it doesn't go everywhere. Taxi fares aren't cheap also.
- Cars are cheap in US, so are petrol but their taxi fare is much higher than Singapore's and their citizen pays 30% federal tax for this. -
My father is a taxi driver.. and he has to pay rental of about 30k/yr to the company(which is own by u noe hu)..
Mutiply tt figure by the approximate 26k drivers and... -
Does not mean they will be electedOriginally posted by SnowFlag:I mean having more opposition candidates. -
Would you rather have the kind of taxi services in China and Philippines when you're most likely to be rip off, verbally abused and may not even reach anywhere near where you want to go?Originally posted by Qing^.^:My father is a taxi driver.. and he has to pay rental of about 30k/yr to the company(which is own by u noe hu)..
Mutiply tt figure by the approximate 26k drivers and...
You need standarized and regulation to provide work-class taxi services. Who else has the muscles to pull this through?
But then again, I agree that while the government has been too focused on making our transportation service a good one, it has failed to make a profitable one for the drivers; and our Union sucks big Harry's balls. -
Why are we always comparing with third world countries?Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Would you rather have the kind of taxi services in China and Philippines when you're most likely to be rip off, verbally abused and may not even reach anywhere near where you want to go?
You need standarized and regulation to provide work-class taxi services. Who else has the muscles to pull this through?
But then again, I agree that while the government has been too focused on making our transportation service a good one, it has failed to make a profitable one for the drivers; and our Union sucks big Harry's balls.
Why?
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To have world-class services i dun really tink u need to demand rental fee of more than 80/90 bucks a day rite?Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Would you rather have the kind of taxi services in China and Philippines when you're most likely to be rip off, verbally abused and may not even reach anywhere near where you want to go?
You need standarized and regulation to provide work-class taxi services. Who else has the muscles to pull this through?
But then again, I agree that while the government has been too focused on making our transportation service a good one, it has failed to make a profitable one for the drivers; and our Union sucks big Harry's balls.
Adding to this heavy rent are the costs of refueling and eating their meals.. how much do u tink ppl like my father can earn a day.. not much at all..
the fare is fair in my opinion but the rental is certainly not.. and theres no system whereby rental fees are reduced for veteran drivers.. wats the Union for i question.. -
Before you know who came in and disturb them, taxi drivers used to make a good living... people will accuse me of conspiracy theories again but look at it, so many carpets were pulled from under the people's feet.Originally posted by Qing^.^:My father is a taxi driver.. and he has to pay rental of about 30k/yr to the company(which is own by u noe hu).. Mutiply tt figure by the approximate 26k drivers and...
It is almost like somebody is jealous that the poor are making good money and take the opportunities away from them. Either that or because there are no opposition the policy makers just don't care how their policies affect people's lives. As long as the policies satisfy the rich, they simply go ahead.
The poor form the bulk of the workers in Singapore and as a whole, the poor must be given priority in every policy decision. Not the rich. -
Ya i agree.. somebody in power jus wan a bite of all available pies..Originally posted by casino_king:Before you know who came in and disturb them, taxi drivers used to make a good living... people will accuse me of conspiracy theories again but look at it, so many carpets were pulled from under the people's feet.
It is almost like somebody is jealous that the poor are making good money and take the opportunities away from them. Either that or because there are no opposition the policy makers just don't care how their policies affect people's lives. As long as the policies satisfy the rich, they simply go ahead.
The poor form the bulk of the workers in Singapore and as a whole, the poor must be given priority in every policy decision. Not the rich.
no wonder communism failed.. humans are jus too selfish.. -
SureOriginally posted by charlize:Why are we always comparing with third world countries?
Why?
.. let's compare with US where the starting fare for a taxi ride is USD $3 even when they have lower fuel cost. The taxi drivers in city areas are rude and those in the suburds try their best to rip you off because passengers are hard to find. No mention you still need to tip them after all the shit you get from them.
How about those in Australia? Take too short a distance and the drivers grumbles and abuse you verbally. Some are so racist that they refuse to take you. Who can you complain to? -
I suppose you are old enough to experience the rogue taxi drivers of the past where not 2 taxis have the same charges, there's no meter, they can refuse passengers whenever they want to, they can drive you in circles if they choose to and they'll threaten you with secret society if they don't like you.Originally posted by casino_king:Before you know who came in and disturb them, taxi drivers used to make a good living... people will accuse me of conspiracy theories again but look at it, so many carpets were pulled from under the people's feet.
It is almost like somebody is jealous that the poor are making good money and take the opportunities away from them. Either that or because there are no opposition the policy makers just don't care how their policies affect people's lives. As long as the policies satisfy the rich, they simply go ahead.
The poor form the bulk of the workers in Singapore and as a whole, the poor must be given priority in every policy decision. Not the rich.
Perhaps you're younger... so let's forward that by 10 years and you have the infamous yellow tops. Same problem minus the meter and the secret society. Hmm.. maybe not the secret society.
My uncle drove a yellow top. I love to hear his stories about beating up passengers, ganging up with other drivers, picking up fights when another taxi picks up passenger from his territory etc... so cool. Hate to be in his cab though -
The oppositions will have a hard time geting good quality candidiates becos the cream of the crop- the Scholars, has already been kept by the garment (civil servant). Whatever it is, they won't want to risk their bright future to be like the next Dr Chee.
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The high fair go to the drivers themselves, please!!!!!Originally posted by anonymouscoward:Sure .. let's compare with US where the starting fare for a taxi ride is USD $3 even when they have lower fuel cost. The taxi drivers in city areas are rude and those in the suburds try their best to rip you off because passengers are hard to find. No mention you still need to tip them after all the shit you get from them.
How about those in Australia? Take too short a distance and the drivers grumbles and abuse you verbally. Some are so racist that they refuse to take you. Who can you complain to? -
They would have a higher chance if they try to sought them outOriginally posted by Airforceone:The oppositions will have a hard time geting good quality candidiates becos the cream of the crop- the Scholars, has already been kept by the garment (civil servant). Whatever it is, they won't want to risk their bright future to be like the next Dr Chee. -
So the answer is to take away their livilihood because of some hooligans? Ask the taxi drivers to serve the rich for peanuts? Hello for the poor, peanuts does not mean $600K a year, before you go around telling me "peanuts" is very good already.Originally posted by anonymouscoward:I suppose you are old enough to experience the rogue taxi drivers of the past where not 2 taxis have the same charges, there's no meter, they can refuse passengers whenever they want to, they can drive you in circles if they choose to and they'll threaten you with secret society if they don't like you.
Perhaps you're younger... so let's forward that by 10 years and you have the infamous yellow tops. Same problem minus the meter and the secret society. Hmm.. maybe not the secret society.
My uncle drove a yellow top. I love to hear his stories about beating up passengers, ganging up with other drivers, picking up fights when another taxi picks up passenger from his territory etc... so cool. Hate to be in his cab though