Thais burn pictures of LSH, Ho Ching and Merlion
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Yet all this has not been reported in the Newspapers. What an absolute shame.
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TNP gotOriginally posted by Pronewbie:Yet all this has not been reported in the Newspapers. What an absolute shame. -
Deomgraphic of TNP readers are mostly those of younger age and less politically inclined.
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we can kiss our $3billion investment in Shin Corp goodbye. Once you have a company that is tainted politically; its market value gradually starts to erode. So who is going to be responsible for the eventual singapore tax payers loss on the investment?
You got a point here. Temasek holdings is too blinded by greed and profit mindsets, and failed to see the political consequences of the Shin Corp purchase. They underestimated the national pride of the Thais and now they have burned their fingers. No wonder they are keeping tight lipped about this... bet they are feeling really paiseh.
From the outset, any smart investment banker would have seen right through the potential political fallout as the original owners of Shin Corp were closed linked politically. For example for Thaksin to push the level of foreign ownership up overnight, prior to the sale, would have been a clear sign that the potential of a Thai political fallout was high from the start.
$3 Billion gone on this screwed up business transaction!!!!
I think I slog my whole lifetime cannot even earn 3 Million lor! Somemore most of them from our taxpayers money. I seriously think right, Temasek Syndicate really too much money in their hands le, splash it on it anyway like nothing liddat. The opposition should speak up on this!
I know this sounds bad, but I have to admit that I don't feel anything much with pictures of LHL and HC are burned, unless the Thais start attacking Singaporeans in Thailand orburning our embassies, then I would get started. My brother is working in Bangkok and his office is right next to the Singapore embassy, and I fear for his safety. May the crisis defuse peacefully soon. -
wrong, typhoon, they are spiting the government, not the common Singaporean. In fact, I believe that the protestors cried out for Singaporeans to support them. Now why would they do that if they were spiting the average Singaporean?Originally posted by Typhoon:I agree with you that the party is not the state. However, in my opinion, your second assertion is completely false. People and the nation-state are inseparable. What is the concept of a nation state? It is a group of people of whom share the same national conciousness. In our case, Singaporeans share a common Singaporean identity.
Now I don't mind the Thais burning pictures of certain people (you know who), since those two are political figures and are therefore not embodiments of our country, but to burn our national icons is tantamount to spitting in the face of all Singaporeans- imagine if we burned a picture of King Bhumibol like the Cambodians did over the Angkor Wat incident back in 2003. I doubt that our embassy in Bangkok would remain standing should we foolishly try desecrating a revered national symbol of Thailand in that fashion.
Granted, I feel no sense of attachment to the fish-lion mutant that Abhisit and his harem of cross-dressers are currently roasting.
However, let's not forget their intent- they are destroying our national symbols (yes, I'm still proud of SIA despite its service or lack of it) simply to spite us. As distasteful as it sounds, we should rally behind Temasek on this matter- its high time that foreigners who think they can get away with pushing Singapore and Singaporeans around be brought to account.
NO to the Thai elitist opposition, support Thaksin!!!
And IMHO, the merlion is hard-pressed to be regarded as a national symbol. How does it embody Singaporean spirit or anything else?
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PErsonally i dont give a dam to the protest. Shin corp will in the future generate tons of money as long as it does not collaspe in the near future. Therefore it can be consider a good investment.
Despite all this i notices that there are actually not much coverage about the resentment of the thais on the brought over. Isn't things like burning Singapore icon a big event!! It should recon more media coverage. Dam the censorship policy in Singapore in results in many ppl being ignorant about such events. -
these sorts of comments really show how shallow people can be...Originally posted by ceecookie:Maybe we should spit toward the thai embassy when we past it
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You are the one in error. Never has it been part of their agenda to win the support of the Singaporean people. All dialouge conducted so far has been between the protestors, the embassy staff, Temasek Holdings, and the govt. Why? Because they recognise that the common Singaporean has little or no influence whatsoever on the actions of our govt and its investment arm.Originally posted by pikamaster:wrong, typhoon, they are spiting the government, not the common Singaporean. In fact, I believe that the protestors cried out for Singaporeans to support them. Now why would they do that if they were spiting the average Singaporean?
If their intent is not to offend us, then why the fark are they burning our country's flag, and what they believe are our national symbols?
Truth be told, they are deliberately attempting to incite anti-Singaporean feelings. Not anti-Singapore govt, or they would have confined themselves to the burning of the pictures of the PM and the CEO of Temasek Holdings.
By including our flag and national icons in their little barbeque, they have proved wbeyond the slightest doubt that much of their misguided hate is being directed at Singapore and us Singaporeans.
cheem-.- is right to have misgivings. It won't be long before they start attacking Singaporean workers and tourists. Perhaps then you'll be convinced of their ill intent.
You and I do not regard the Merlion as a national symbol, but the Thais do. The demonstration of that intent alone is a slap in our face.Originally posted by pikamaster:And IMHO, the merlion is hard-pressed to be regarded as a national symbol. How does it embody Singaporean spirit or anything else?
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This is when we have a investment agency that cannot do a CBA that includes an assessment of political fallout or social unhappiness in the nation which the investment is directed towards.
A failure of diplomacy and having too much hubris that our way works the best.The average Thai does not hate Singapore, I can tell you this from a personal perspective.They are much more mature and the majority can differentiate themselves from hating our government or hating us as a people.
What can we learn from this?A heckuva lot.
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The local media is shackled.
I've given up on them to provide circumspect coverage of Singaporean issues abroad. -
That much is true. The average Thai is more often than not a Thaksin supporter. It is elitists like those in our own country who have capitalised on anti-Singaporean feelings as a political tool to illegally usurp power.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The average Thai does not hate Singapore, I can tell you this from a personal perspective.They are much more mature and the majority can differentiate themselves from hating our government or hating us as a people.
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i am in support of Typhoon's opinions.
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once again i ask who is responsible for this screwed up transaction in Shin Corp? from the looks of it we have taken a hit of $3billion in taxpayers money here by Temasek. Any investment that is tainted politically you may as well kiss its future profits goodbye. why wasn't all this future problems forseen by the investment team during part of its due dillegence process on Shin Corp? Shin corp political connections were clear. Thaksin should have been paid in stages instead of having the entire lump sum of $3billion handed over at one go.
It surprises me that no MP has raised any question on Temaseks investment in Shin Corp during parliment. Dont you think the Ministry of Finance has lots to answer for? -
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Originally posted by ObviousMan:
How can they do this to our PM Lee. They can do anything to their Premier only. Too much, how can we singaporean allow them to burn his picture.... cannot sleep.. cannot eat [b][color=red][b] -
Nice pics. Keep the passion burning.
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Instead of heehawing with speculations of the attitudes of the Thais towards Singaporeans, why not visit the various Thai newspapers that are so accessible on the web.
Here are some opinions posted in the Forum page of the Bangkok Post :
Date : Mar 14, 2006 09:51 AM
Author : Yang ([email protected])
Subject : Present Political Problem
Read with much sadness that the present political problem have been link to the Singapore's purchasing of Thaksin company in Thailand by Temasak. Protest even brought them to Singapore Embassy.
Thailand opposition party must realise that this is strictly a commercial deal between 2 parties. Simple as that, 'You sell, I buy'.
This form of protest is costing Thailand million of dollars in tourist trade.
If the opposition is unhappy with the present system, then go in and VOTE Thaksin out in a DEMOCRATE way. You must realise that one cannot just push an elected Premier out just because you are not happy with him or having a personal conflict
Date : Mar 14, 2006 08:11 PM
Author : Aussie Dave ([email protected])
Subject : RE: Present Political Problem
Yang 14th .........Its not just as simple as "You sell .....I buy"..............Its all about the Thai prime minister selling a massive business involving the national security, then using his position(allegedly) to avoid paying tax on the transaction. If your prime minister did this i think you would be rather upset. The main problem seems to be that the opposition parties are trying to use it to gain power in an unconstitutional way.
Date : Mar 14, 2006 12:04 PM
Author : Southerner
Subject : Let the South Muslim to be the PM
The Muslims from the South should be appointed as PM. They have had already over hundreds in Bangkok to build up the situation. Thaksin gives strong political support to the Military and Police at the South. To remove Thaksin from the PM office, people at the border can come back to take over the battle field. The Democrats can never do anything about it. Because they won't have enough votes on the first place. Secondly, Democracy is Democrats' bible. They must agree to the demand of the South to be independent. Also, the Southern PM could work with the Malaysian govt for development. And so, with the global Islamic World support, the Democrat can become a big party afterall.
Date : Mar 15, 2006 02:08 PM
Author : kyototan
Subject : RE: Let the South Muslim to be the PM
If Taksin in no good his would not majority support from the Thai. If a South Muslim politician is better than Taksin he shall be able to become the next PM when majority of the Thai voted for him. I do not mind if he/she is from what religion as long as he/she are able to have majority Thai support and are able to lead Thailand to be a better place.
Date : Mar 16, 2006 11:01 PM
Author : chita ([email protected])
Subject : It is really sad...new
I just don't understand why should the Thai people turn this beautiful country into such a dreadful sight. Some opaque politicians must be guilty of inciting even if PM Thaksin has a cause to it. They, perhaps should be charged as traitors. Slow down, Judas!
Don't force it into lynch mob,please!
I am a Malaysian.
SOME VIEWS FROM SINGAPORE POSTED IN THE BANGKOK POST
Date : Mar 09, 2006 12:30 AM
Author : Dawn Loh ([email protected])
Subject : A Singaporean's View
Hi there,
I also hope Temasek or our government will withdraw from the ShinCorp deal. We want to keep a good relationship with the Thais. We can still do other businesses but not this big sensitive deal maybe.
What if your PM volunteer to pay tax, will the Thais forgive him ? But I think the main concern is the telecom ownership more than the tax itself. What if all the Thais buy back the shares, wow, then the Thai people will all own the telecom; it's also a good idea.
I feel sorry about what has happened & hope the political crisis'll be resolved soon.
May God Bless U,
Best Regards,
Dawn Loh
Date : Mar 09, 2006 10:53 PM
Author : Mike P
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
Hi Dawn, I'm, sure that Thais are not blaming Singapore for the current crisis, just trying to investigate and put an end to what Mr. Takin is up to. The Shin sale is just the tipping point; many people have had enough of his rampant corruption, handling of the problems in the South and the vigilante drug killings that shocked the international media. The truth is going to come out one way or the other. Best Wishes to you
Date : Mar 10, 2006 08:02 AM
Author : warit
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
Hey, thanks to our PM, not only do you own our monopolized telecom biz but also our airline. Soon you will probably inherit the entire country from our PM.
Date : Mar 10, 2006 06:37 PM
Author : Dave ([email protected])
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
Is Shin Corp a stateowned enterprise?
Is it because Shin Corp had so much resale value that everyone in Thailand wants to claim a part of it? Want to influence it?
Shin Corp is a private own business which grew to enormous proportion over the years.
If any companies in Thailand, happen to grow and become very profitable, you will not be allow to sell, cos the public will tell you now your business is a National asset and you mush seek the wish of 63 million people in Thailand before you can sell.
The moral of the story: Don't grow your company to big, you cannot sell off cos it will automatically become the country's asset
Date : Mar 10, 2006 09:28 PM
Author : Giffarine ([email protected])
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View???
You need to know about ThaiÂ’s only if you are Thais. Recently Beer Chang was unable to be list, only Thais know about Thai
Date : Mar 11, 2006 09:16 AM
Author : dragonpalm
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
What do the foreign investors learn from this kind of deal? Please do not do any business with Thai politicians, ever. They will finally bring big problems to your country. Just take my words for it!
Date : Mar 14, 2006 09:05 PM
Author : kent ([email protected])
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
you thai people are a lucky , you have a chance to vote. 4 me no oppositions no chance to vote. always vote wisely, you vote him into office for the 2nd term it is your choice. Do not remove him from office by protest, if not you will loose your voting rights forever. Just look at what happen to the Phillippines. Just look at what Mr. Thaksin does for your country, look at all the good and decide in the next election.
Date : Mar 15, 2006 10:47 PM
Author : Onassis Gan ([email protected])
Subject : RE: A Singaporean's View
Regardless of any investments by Singapore company in thailand are just ordinary strategic decision. I hopes that it will enhance the image of Singaporean in thailand.
I always love to visit the thailand temple annually, hopefully the riot will be resolved soon.
Thailand is a peaceful and beautiful country in many Singaporean hearts.
Date : Mar 16, 2006 12:59 PM
Author : kyototan
Subject : RE: RE: A Singaporean's Viewnew
I wish to correct Onassis Gan assumption of the sitiuation in Bangkok. There are only peaceful protest seeking the resignation of Mr. Taksin and I am very sure no one would like these peaceful march to be turn into riot maybe except for some trouble maker like those causing trouble in the South who may use this protest to turn into riot. Mr. Taksin is still very much in control and any riot shall show his inability to control -
Originally posted by king108:[b] How can they do this to our PM Lee. They can do anything to their Premier only. Too much, how can we singaporean allow them to burn his picture.... cannot sleep.. cannot eat [color=red][b] These are the uncivilised and uneducated "elitists".
It shows just how sly and unauthodox these people are...and bare in mind that the "heads" behind the mob(public) are the "intelligent" and "powerful" people who like to manipulate the thai public.
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This form of protest is costing Thailand million of dollars in tourist trade.
Seriously, the oppositions dont even bother about the welfare of the public, not to say the tourism trade to say the least.
If the opposition is unhappy with the present system, then go in and VOTE Thaksin out in a DEMOCRATE way. You must realise that one cannot just push an elected Premier out just because you are not happy with him or having a personal conflict
They sole aim is to topple TRT i believe. Even if it means bloodshed and millions of dollars lost.
And i am disappointed that the Thai King did not see through this.
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If anything, maybe the finance minister aka husband of Temaesk Holdings CEO will come forward at the next parliament and reiterate Shin Corp as another expensive tuition fee to justify yet another frivalous investment.Originally posted by LazerLordz:This is when we have a investment agency that cannot do a CBA that includes an assessment of political fallout or social unhappiness in the nation which the investment is directed towards.
A failure of diplomacy and having too much hubris that our way works the best.The average Thai does not hate Singapore, I can tell you this from a personal perspective.They are much more mature and the majority can differentiate themselves from hating our government or hating us as a people.
What can we learn from this?A heckuva lot.
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Nobody in this world will say....come come....come..... here got tonnes and tonnes of money for you to make......please come.Originally posted by NewAge:PErsonally i dont give a dam to the protest. Shin corp will in the future generate tons of money as long as it does not collaspe in the near future. Therefore it can be consider a good investment.
Despite all this i notices that there are actually not much coverage about the resentment of the thais on the brought over. Isn't things like burning Singapore icon a big event!! It should recon more media coverage. Dam the censorship policy in Singapore in results in many ppl being ignorant about such events.
If you are running a very very profitable business would you give up to someone?
Think logically. Do you know that the equipment, tools,factories and etc in Shin Corp are very run down and outdated technologies. By taking over, do you know that tomasick got to spend how much money to upgrade, re-structuring the company and recruiting new management? With all these factors and other unseen factors...How do you think that when can tomasick recover its investment?
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No way he will ever do that.Originally posted by BillyBong:If anything, maybe the finance minister aka husband of Temaesk Holdings CEO will come forward at the next parliament and reiterate Shin Corp as another expensive tuition fee to justify yet another frivalous investment.
But even if the matter was brought up in Parliament, the standard reply will be issued : "This is a commercial decision in which the government has got nothing to do with it. Next question please" -
i am still curious about what did we gain (as common citizens), even if the deal is smooth without the hickups currently occuring.Originally posted by strikefreedom:Get this straight, in business sense there is only one thing and that is PROFIT. Even if Temasek is not the one that buy Shin Corp, some other will do it, so why let ppl gain and not us instead?
1) we will all get extra rebates in phonebills?
2) we autoroam to thailand at SG prices?
3) we get some SHINcorp payout? like we all get singtell shares? a few cents?
4) the deal generates so much revenue that GST drops back to 4% ?
5) the deal generates so much revenue that funds a few cash growth industries that really generates jobs?
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Aiyah kpkb la....These matter are not we common people concern at all..If anything happens..We the common people are the 1st one to die..U die liao also duno wat u die for..So why gif a damn...let the upper society stick up each others ass if tats the way they want it..We still got children to feed..bills to pay..gfs to maintence
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What will the children be fed with, and how do you intend to maintain all your gfs ?Originally posted by Advante_101:Aiyah kpkb la....These matter are not we common people concern at all..If anything happens..We the common people are the 1st one to die..U die liao also duno wat u die for..So why gif a damn...let the upper society stick up each others ass if tats the way they want it..We still got children to feed..bills to pay..gfs to maintence
Where will you get more cash after all your cash and CPF are sucked up in every possible imaginable way by all the different companies that have been created to service every need in this First World that they created ?