Goh Chok Tong is in trouble.
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Yup...you cannot blame Potong Pasir residents...as someone pointed out, why should they suffer financially for the sake of keeping an opposition party member in Parliament for the rest of Singaporeans? Elect your own opposition MP if you feel strongly enough...
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The people at the top must be really sweating when they think the opposition will be contesting some of the important GRCs like Ang Mo Kio GRC.
What better way to divert opposition attention than by attacking the 2 current opposition wards?
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If there is a list of long service voters, you can give long service awards to those in Hougang and Potong Pasir. Since day one had they no involved.Originally posted by charlize:The people at the top must be really sweating when they think the opposition will be contesting some of the important GRCs like Ang Mo Kio GRC.
What better way to divert opposition attention than by attacking the 2 current opposition wards?
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I think it is the opposition is only out of respect to our PM Lee to contest in AMK. They sweated cause they are serving the residential and fellow singaporean harder now. It's a good thing isn't that.[/b]
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Originally posted by king108:
Sorry, it should be out to show respect instead of out of respect. Amendment
If there is a list of long service voters, you can give long service awards to those in Hougang and Potong Pasir. Since day one had they no involved.
I think it is the opposition is only out of respect to our PM Lee to contest in AMK. They sweated cause they are serving the residential and fellow singaporean harder now. It's a good thing isn't that.[/color]
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But frankly speaking,i dont think the opposition will lose their ground in Potong Pasir n Hougang.Becoz Chiam n Lau are very respectable opposition party leaders.Imagine,the whole cabinet only got this 2 elected opposition party members to challenge the whole group of "no guts" PAP members,what a remarkable achievement!!!
Therefore,the residents in this 2 areas will continue to support Mr Chiam n Mr Lau.Besides,if this 2 areas also fall to PAP party,then what is the difference between our country n communist China? -
My thinking is that the Opp parties should just leave CST and LTH to hold their respective forts and not be bothered too much by GCT. In terms of tactics, PAP's move is designed to exert pressure on the Opps --- they could have just quietly sent in GCT during the elections instead of making a big diversion beforehand.
But the move can backfire. Sun Zi said that if you surround an opponent completely, they will fight to death. In my view, the best strategy is for them to charge out fighting into the GRCs. Raise the ante by making the elections a national issue --- either vote them in or face the prospect of having no alternative voices. Bypass the NCMP scheme by rejecting it outright.
This is obviously bold and risky -- a win all or lose all, but there are several advantages:
--- Even without doing this, the opp are facing the threat of elimination.
--- Singaporeans might just vote to save the opposition and preserve an alternative voice.
--- It raises the elections to a national level (it already is if AMK is contested) since it will decide the political landscape of Singapore's future generation.
--- It will force Singaporeans to made a decision (aka seek people's mandate) whether they want an alternative voice and stop passing the buck, hoping someone somewhere else will vote for the opp.
--- If Singaporeans really do not want an alternative voice, all the opp can close shop, unhappy voters can migrate and the rest can live happily ever after. -
I just can't understand why treating fellow singaporeans double standards??
Didn't the residents in Hougang and PP pay taxes, GST, COEs, housing loans...etc just like the rest of the singaporeans.. it just being very unethical using such remarks to "blackmail" the citizens there...
I feel even they choose other people as MPs, they should be receiving the same treatment as a singaporean citizen.
SO sianz...
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It will be a black day in Singapore's history if there are no opposition members voted in during the coming elections.Originally posted by ObviousMan:My thinking is that the Opp parties should just leave CST and LTH to hold their respective forts and not be bothered too much by GCT. In terms of tactics, PAP's move is designed to exert pressure on the Opps --- they could have just quietly sent in GCT during the elections instead of making a big diversion beforehand.
But the move can backfire. Sun Zi said that if you surround an opponent completely, they will fight to death. In my view, the best strategy is for them to charge out fighting into the GRCs. Raise the ante by making the elections a national issue --- either vote them in or face the prospect of having no alternative voices. Bypass the NCMP scheme by rejecting it outright.
This is obviously bold and risky -- a win all or lose all, but there are several advantages:
--- Even without doing this, the opp are facing the threat of elimination.
--- Singaporeans might just vote to save the opposition and preserve an alternative voice.
--- It raises the elections to a national level (it already is if AMK is contested) since it will decide the political landscape of Singapore's future generation.
--- It will force Singaporeans to made a decision (aka seek people's mandate) whether they want an alternative voice and stop passing the buck, hoping someone somewhere else will vote for the opp.
--- If Singaporeans really do not want an alternative voice, all the opp can close shop, unhappy voters can migrate and the rest can live happily ever after. -
[quote]Originally posted by ObviousMan:
[b] Sun Zi War Manual..
Sorry Fellow obviousman, that is not the move that PM is thinking. My view and your on the tactics is very difference. To apply tactics -"heavenly timing, the surrounding and emotion of people" very important. Don't be misled by some move, some are false movement only.. real defence to buy time for defence enforcement only. Serousiness questionable.. if you walk out and see again. (chinese saying "insider confused", look at the big map) Even opened door also can make them hestiate to come in. Best defence is still attacking. Send some suicide trooper to the commander, the main force concentrate on the left wing will do.
Actually I enjoyed discussing on sun zi and other tactic but no here really. -
In the first place, we should never have let the elections become a municpal issue.Originally posted by ObviousMan:My thinking is that the Opp parties should just leave CST and LTH to hold their respective forts and not be bothered too much by GCT. In terms of tactics, PAP's move is designed to exert pressure on the Opps --- they could have just quietly sent in GCT during the elections instead of making a big diversion beforehand.
But the move can backfire. Sun Zi said that if you surround an opponent completely, they will fight to death. In my view, the best strategy is for them to charge out fighting into the GRCs. Raise the ante by making the elections a national issue --- either vote them in or face the prospect of having no alternative voices. Bypass the NCMP scheme by rejecting it outright.
This is obviously bold and risky -- a win all or lose all, but there are several advantages:
--- Even without doing this, the opp are facing the threat of elimination.
--- Singaporeans might just vote to save the opposition and preserve an alternative voice.
--- It raises the elections to a national level (it already is if AMK is contested) since it will decide the political landscape of Singapore's future generation.
--- It will force Singaporeans to made a decision (aka seek people's mandate) whether they want an alternative voice and stop passing the buck, hoping someone somewhere else will vote for the opp.
--- If Singaporeans really do not want an alternative voice, all the opp can close shop, unhappy voters can migrate and the rest can live happily ever after.
Parliamentary elections are nationwide, issues likewise.The time of the by-election strategy is gone, and hopefully, never to return.What we need is a full contest of ideas.
Singaporeans should stop passing the buck.Go and read up on current affairs and please do not vote blindly.Common sense is always better than some lifts. -
Getting lift can be convenient. It can be too convenient that elder or people like us that are walkable forgotable how to use leg..sighed...then condition of health deteriorated slowly unknowingly...Originally posted by LazerLordz:In the first place, we should never have let the elections become a municpal issue.
Parliamentary elections are nationwide, issues likewise.The time of the by-election strategy is gone, and hopefully, never to return.What we need is a full contest of ideas.
Singaporeans should stop passing the buck.Go and read up on current affairs and please do not vote blindly.Common sense is always better than some lifts.
Some already handicapped then will need help, else do a bit of exercise will be good for everyone's health. Carrying heavy item is the duties of the younger people, how can we let the eldery do all this choir.
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Originally posted by king108:
Dude. Do you know the difference between rhetoric and literal speech?
[b]Getting lift can be convenient. It can be too convenient that elder or people like us that are walkable forgotable how to use leg..sighed...then condition of health deteriorated slowly unknowingly...
Some already handicapped then will need help, else do a bit of exercise will be good for everyone's health. Carrying heavy item is the duties of the younger people, how can we let the eldery do all this choir.
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Originally posted by king108:
Dun understand what you mean.
[quote]Originally posted by ObviousMan:
[b][b] Sun Zi War Manual.. Sorry Fellow obviousman, that is not the move that PM is thinking. My view and your on the tactics is very difference. To apply tactics -"heavenly timing, the surrounding and emotion of people" very important. Don't be misled by some move, some are false movement only.. real defence to buy time for defence enforcement only. Serousiness questionable.. if you walk out and see again. (chinese saying "insider confused", look at the big map) Even opened door also can make them hestiate to come in. Best defence is still attacking. Send some suicide trooper to the commander, the main force concentrate on the left wing will do.
Actually I enjoyed discussing on sun zi and other tactic but no here really.
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The options are limited for opposition parties as far as i am concerned.
Actually only 2 --- to concentrate on defense or focus on attack.
With Goh going to going in as a bully in a fair fight, his action actually works against him, much worse now he offered so much as though he is desperate.
Make no mistake, the real battle are in the GRCs, HG and PP are just staging ground. If the opposition can wrest 1 or 2 GRCs, the dynamics of the Singapore politics will change rapidly becasue GRCs are not as hemmed in as HG and PP. PAP will be foolish to employ the isolate opposition GRCs tactics because they will piss many more people. -
Get from Goh, and contact me. Then I let you know.Originally posted by ObviousMan:Dun understand what you mean.
The options are limited for opposition parties as far as i am concerned.
Actually only 2 --- to concentrate on defense or focus on attack.
With Goh going to going in as a bully in a fair fight, his action actually works against him, much worse now he offered so much as though he is desperate.
Make no mistake, the real battle are in the GRCs, HG and PP are just staging ground. If the opposition can wrest 1 or 2 GRCs, the dynamics of the Singapore politics will change rapidly becasue GRCs are not as hemmed in as HG and PP. PAP will be foolish to employ the isolate opposition GRCs tactics because they will piss many more people. -
i hope lhl lose his ward and then cannot be minister le
thats would really make my day. i wonder if the lky will suddenly step in -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:Dude. Do you know the difference between rhetoric and literal speech? Sorry, I may had inherited some ageing problems...cannot think properly...Seek permission to withdrawn my statements.
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Fellows obviousma, please reconsider the NCMP. Don't dumb it. I think good kit to use. -
Sorry typo error. ObviousmanOriginally posted by king108: Fellows obviousma, please reconsider the NCMP. Don't dumb it. I think good kit to use. -
It is lky who should lose his ward.Originally posted by hisoka:i hope lhl lose his ward and then cannot be minister le
thats would really make my day. i wonder if the lky will suddenly step in
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Originally posted by king108:Sorry typo error. Obviousman I read again. Like all writen out. Cannot use....forget about this items..
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Who says Potong Pasir residents are suffering? Not as if the PAP wards are getting free money everyday...Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Yup...you cannot blame Potong Pasir residents...as someone pointed out, why should they suffer financially for the sake of keeping an opposition party members for the rest of Singaporeans? Elect your own opposition MP... -
go compare property resale pricesOriginally posted by casino_king:Who says Potong Pasir residents are suffering? Not as if the PAP wards are getting free money everyday... -
so only those who want to sell get affected? That means the rental should be lower and so the retail shop prices lower and so the food and things they sell lower... not bad.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:go compare property resale prices -
Suffering is an incorrect term.Originally posted by casino_king:Who says Potong Pasir residents are suffering? Not as if the PAP wards are getting free money everyday...
Perferential treatment has been denied them simply because they voted for a NON-PAP candidate. Yet they pay the same taxes as everyone else. But the ruling party in their supreme talent in manipulating the constitution, have somehow managed to pen somewhere that national development funds and other benefits available to constituencies run by the lightning are conveniently not available to the opposition camps in the wards they hold.
Instead the money is made availble to grassroots advisers, who ironically are PAP-aligned.
Is it therefore surprising or SHORTSIGHTED (as claimed by the yes-men of the ruling party) that the WP included a plan to dismantle grassroot teams in town councils? Low Thia Khiang and Chiam See Tong has no doubt been doubly agrieved that such funds have not been legitimately made available, and other handouts such as Singapore Power vouchers (an obvious political gimmick) were not distributed through the elected MPs in opposition wards but through PAP-aligned grassroot advisers.
If our people remain absent-minded and continue to snatch the carrots dangled in front of us by such unscrupulous attempts to BUY our vote, then i guess Hougang and Potong Pasir will both submit to lesser rule this time round. -
NO big deal! Let the PAP have Potong Pasir and Hougang back if they desperately want to upgrade the estates. In return all we need to do is vote in an entire team of opposition members in a GRC from some other contituency for example maybe Ang Mo Kio GRC
Seriously, if the government wants to play ball then the people too can play musical chairs with them.
Has it ever occured to residents of Potong Pasir and Hougand to sue the government collectively in the high courts on the upgrading issue? Tax payers money is being used to pay for upgradings. As citizens of the country residents of Potong pasir and Hougang are entitled to the same benefits as any other residents in any other contituency in the country.
For example, Can you imagine if in the United States all states controlled by Democrats were denied budgets/funding and the cities become derelicts and run down just because the state voted in a Democrat governor against the current President and Congress which is controlled by the Republican Party. Mr Bush and his republican government would be sued left and right by the American people. You can have different parties controlling states BUT it doesnt mean the American people collectively are denid equal benefits for voting in a representative from the opposing party.