Goh Chok Tong is in trouble.
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In our country, who is willing to put up such a collective front against their own govt? They have their ricebowls to earn and families to feed.
In any case, the govt is simply going to lay down the letter of the law:
Taxpayer's monies is by LAW the GOVT's. It is the legal monies extracted by the govt to build a nation. As such, the govt aka the ruling party, can use the money as they see fit.
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[quote]Originally posted by gill_hfc:
NO big deal! Let the PAP have Potong Pasir and Hougang back if they desperately want to upgrade the estates. In return all we need to do is vote in an entire team of opposition members in a GRC from some other contituency for example maybe Ang Mo Kio GRC
[b]Actually PM Lee had invited, so must accept his invitation. cannot don't give face..
Seriously, if the government wants to play ball then the people too can play musical chairs with them.
[b]Slightly difficult, no all think the same, some "high high pay one", some "old old one", some "good eat good sleep one", some "green green one",some "cannot eat cannot sleep one", some "rooted one", some "No them cannot one", some"P...one", some "qualification one" and many "waiting for other people to do one"....
.[/b] [color=orange]Unless can wake some of the some and many of the many up..then can start rock and rolls..[/color] -
The Ruling Political Party has deliberately trivialised the Election and the Government by redirecting the desire from an educated population towards more political participation.Originally posted by LazerLordz:In the first place, we should never have let the elections become a municpal issue.
Parliamentary elections are nationwide, issues likewise.The time of the by-election strategy is gone, and hopefully, never to return.What we need is a full contest of ideas.
Singaporeans should stop passing the buck.Go and read up on current affairs and please do not vote blindly.Common sense is always better than some lifts.
By deliberately redirecting the energetic clamour for more opportunities to be pro-active in the POLITICAL LIFE of Singaporeans, the Ruling Political Party has indicated a refusal to allow Singaporeans to decide on larger issues that affect Singaporeans.
This has led to the creation of Town Councils and the Office of Town Mayor, and a MINI-REFERENDUM to allow Singaporeans to decide on MUNDANE ISSUES such as the Upgrading of their Neighborhood.
In doing so, it has resulted in taking half the wind out of the energetic clamour for more involvement in the POLITICAL LIFE of SINGAPORE.
This approach is similar to the Colonial Government in letting Singapore have INTERNAL SELF-RULE, but keeping Foreign and Defense Policy as their exclusive and privilege purview.
In the present context, Singaporeans are not entitled to participate in the process or discussion of Singapore's Foreign Affairs, Defense, Education, Finance - National Budget, Revenue, Expenses, Investments, and Reserves.
This is characteristic of the POWER OF ONE - arrogance, impatience, intolerance, condescendingly superior - who will not tolerate any kind of interference that will inhibit the expeditious implementation of a decision made from the POWER OF ONE.
Consider a study of the Singapore System, which reviews the acts to consolidate power into the POWER OF ONE, it can be seen that the entire end-game seems to have been fined tuned throughout the last FORTY YEARS, culminating in the present Singapore Style Politics that is uniquely Singaporean.Walter Woon Cheong Ming, a Vice-Dean of the NUS Law Facility and a one-time Nominated MP has commented:
With FORTY YEARS of Monopolistic Rule, the pervasive methods of deriding and denying the Opposition any space to connect with the general Singapore population, is it any wonder that the Propaganda of the Ruling Political Party has become the standard staple of many Singaporeans, moulding the Singaporean minds to doubt and use a higher standard to judge the Opposition Parties ?
"We effectively don't have a Constitution. We have a law that can be easily changed by parliament, and by the party in power, because the party effectively is the parliament...it is unsettling how flexible the Constitution is'." -
there are many grounds to sue the government over Potong Pasir and Hougang. First of all PP and Hougang are not independent states or another world altogether. These are suburbs right here in singapore. Its residents are entitled to all the rights and benefits enshrined in the contituition and laws of singapore just like any other singaporean. For the government to deny their estates upgrades clearly goes against the constituition. Just because the MP is an opposition member does not mean they are not entitled to the benefits of being a singapore citizen. residents of PP and hougang pay taxes to the same government at the end of the day. where does it state in the constituition that it is illegal to have an opposition member as an MP?Originally posted by BillyBong:In our country, who is willing to put up such a collective front against their own govt? They have their ricebowls to earn and families to feed.
In any case, the govt is simply going to lay down the letter of the law:
Taxpayer's monies is by LAW the GOVT's. It is the legal monies extracted by the govt to build a nation. As such, the govt aka the ruling party, can use the money as they see fit.
On what grounds do you plan to sue?
i'm no lawyer but if there is a collective lawsuit by the residents of PP and Hougang in the high court, i am confident the residents would win against the government. if the case is thrown out take it to the international court of justice. It will make the government sit up and listen! -
They had stated it clearly as what BillyBond had mentioned. LL lor.Originally posted by gill_hfc:
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NCMP good?Originally posted by king108:
Fellows obviousma, please reconsider the NCMP. Don't dumb it. I think good kit to use.
GCT wanted to lift whip for PAP candidates then they talk about increasing number of NCMPs.
You got ask why? So that we can have more "best LOSERS" (PAP vocab) to play with, is it?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/200228/1/.html
At the moment, he said, there was no one to back Mr Sitoh's ideas, since he was not elected."Even after the election, he's a backbencher. Who's going to push for him? But having been tasked by the Prime Minister to help him recover Potong Pasir, I'll be his resource person in Cabinet," said the Senior Minister. -
Sue the garbageman sure can, sue the gahmen can?Originally posted by gill_hfc:there are many grounds to sue the government over Potong Pasir and Hougang. First of all PP and Hougang are not independent states or another world altogether. These are suburbs right here in singapore. Its residents are entitled to all the rights and benefits enshrined in the contituition and laws of singapore just like any other singaporean. For the government to deny their estates upgrades clearly goes against the constituition. Just because the MP is an opposition member does not mean they are not entitled to the benefits of being a singapore citizen. residents of PP and hougang pay taxes to the same government at the end of the day. where does it state in the constituition that it is illegal to have an opposition member as an MP?
i'm no lawyer but if there is a collective lawsuit by the residents of PP and Hougang in the high court, i am confident the residents would win against the government. if the case is thrown out take it to the international court of justice. It will make the government sit up and listen!
You go try loh, i give moral support.
You want to hear lawyer story?
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Originally posted by ObviousMan:
so they only back the "winners". if you re the loser with "good ideas", you can keep them to yourself as losers will not be tolerated or allowed into the circles.
NCMP good?
GCT wanted to lift whip for PAP candidates then they talk about increasing number of NCMPs.
You got ask why? So that we can have more "best LOSERS" (PAP vocab) to play with, is it?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/200228/1/.html
At the moment, he said, [b]there was no one to back Mr Sitoh's ideas, since he was not elected."Even after the election, he's a backbencher. Who's going to push for him? But having been tasked by the Prime Minister to help him recover Potong Pasir, I'll be his resource person in Cabinet," said the Senior Minister.
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Originally posted by ObviousMan:
NCMP good?
GCT wanted to lift whip for PAP candidates then they talk about increasing number of NCMPs.
You got ask why? So that we can have more "best LOSERS" (PAP vocab) to play with, is it?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/200228/1/.html
At the moment, he said, [b]there was no one to back Mr Sitoh's ideas, since he was not elected."Even after the election, he's a backbencher. Who's going to push for him? But having been tasked by the Prime Minister to help him recover Potong Pasir, I'll be his resource person in Cabinet," said the Senior Minister.
[/b] Initially I did have the NCMP and the NMP in minds, after knowing what they cannot do..(sighed) .I dropped the whole idea totally. Now I go for the idea of only elected MPs to represent us only. Cost cutting ma, may only considered NMP for other purposes only.... -
If this is a gamble, winning is only 10 cents, losing is $10.
Why still wanted to place the bet? Should put inside pocket and kept the $10 warm.... Any good investor will tell you go and rest cause it's not worth the game. Puzzled me why didn't anyone do so -
Read the paper, I think Chiam leh leh this time.
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What about free bags of peanuts? if they can't buy a person's heart, it sure can buy a monkey's heart?Originally posted by Manager433:One bowl of sharkfin porridge can buy one's heart?
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Originally posted by CosmoKing:What about free bags of peanuts? if they can't buy a person's heart, it sure can buy a monkey's heart? SM Goh stated "it too late" and he mentioned going to other constituency to help but I never heard Patong Pasir..Hence.. hungry man crossed over leh..like what chinese history saying may be true, started where ended where. (Chiam started SDP, and may ended SDP together)...
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We need opposition in our Parliament. NMPs just can't hack it cos they are not objective enough and being nominated by the ruling party means they are skewed in the ruling party's favour. It is also a way for the government to assess the capability of a new cohort so it doesn't really count as opposition. Having a stronger opposition reduces the likelihood of corruption.
Actually upgrading is just a 'face lift'. And flats on every level are not really necessary. Just something to put money back into the construction industry and the economy. In the end, the flats are on 99 yr lease and value will decrease proportionately, not to mention that the flats are already old and therefore not worth the value to upgrade. Why bother when there are new estates and new flats to sell. Plus upgrading means residents have to fork out money which they may not be willing or able to pay. Plus strong arm tactics may have the opposite effect. If u don't like it, u can always leave and live in a different area (if u have the money).
Something for everyone. If you want better packaging, go for Bishan flats. And pay more. If I just want a roof and use the money for other purposes eg for my retirement, in which case I don't need a spanking new flat (or a upgraded one). Or if I have no money in the first place, then it serves me well to live/downgrade there. In other words, it serves a particular market segment. -
Upgrading is good..don't stop it. Like what I had kept repeating in chinese "Fang Xin, Fang Xin, Fang le hui pian Xin Xin"..Originally posted by virtualchick:We need opposition in our Parliament. NMPs just can't hack it cos they are not objective enough and being nominated by the ruling party means they are skewed in the ruling party's favour. It is also a way for the government to assess the capability of a new cohort so it doesn't really count as opposition. Having a stronger opposition reduces the likelihood of corruption.
Actually upgrading is just a 'face lift'. And flats on every level are not really necessary. Just something to put money back into the construction industry and the economy. In the end, the flats are on 99 yr lease and value will decrease proportionately, not to mention that the flats are already old and therefore not worth the value to upgrade. Why bother when there are new estates and new flats to sell. Plus upgrading means residents have to fork out money which they may not be willing or able to pay. Plus strong arm tactics may have the opposite effect. If u don't like it, u can always leave and live in a different area (if u have the money).
Something for everyone. If you want better packaging, go for Bishan flats. And pay more. If I just want a roof and use the money for other purposes eg for my retirement, in which case I don't need a spanking new flat (or a upgraded one). Or if I have no money in the first place, then it serves me well to live/downgrade there. In other words, it serves a particular market segment. -
I think it has always been 'black'?Originally posted by charlize:It will be a black day in Singapore's history if there are no opposition members voted in during the coming elections. -
Abalone can eat. Shark's fins better don't eat otherwise the SPCA will come after you. Anyway shark's fin soup not very nice and has no aphrodisiac value.
Turtle soup better. So Mr Chiam how about turtle boiled with tongkat ali. Sure can win more votes. The over sixties ah peks sure vote for you if you offer turtle soup. -
why would someone feel potong pasir resident are suffering because they choose a opposition MP? does that mean either we choose PAP candidates or suffer like potong resident? dont we feel something is wrong about this fear factor? do we want to live like that fo the rest of your life?
i dont think my life are much better here under hong kah estate.
prob only bishan, pasir ris, marine parade are the elite estate. but hey, what the hack, just wana live a life that is true to myself and never give in to threat. -
big hoohah for what? vote here vote there also PAP in control of the government..makes no diff who actually "wins" the constituencies.
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Goh Chok Tong mentioned that if he fails to help the PAP win back Potong Pasir and Hougang, his reputation is at stake. Well if he is willing to throw this hat into the ring, why not undertake to resign and retire as SM immediately if PAP fails to win both constituency.
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Sitoh the better - and younger - man, says SM
He asks if incumbent Chiam, 71, will have stamina to serve as MP for 5 more years
By Lydia Lim and Erica Tay
THE People's Action Party (PAP) man for Potong Pasir, Mr Sitoh Yih Pin, is the young, energetic challenger up against ageing defending champion Chiam See Tong.
Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong cast the fight between the two men this way at a rally in the opposition ward last night.
'Sitoh is better than Chiam any time,' he said.
Mr Goh asked voters to consider if Mr Chiam, 71, will have the stamina to be the ward's MP for another five years.
'This is a marathon, you've got to fight for five years and at the end of it, Mr Chiam will be 76,' he said.
Mr Goh cited another important difference between the two men. Mr Sitoh, 42, will make sure the blocks of flats in the ward are upgraded so there are lifts which stop on every floor.
He said even though Mr Chiam had promised to do this over the next five years, the opposition incumbent MP simply did not have the funds to do so.
Speaking on the same issue during a visit to the ward in the morning, Mr Goh told reporters: 'It is an empty promise. I have looked at the accounts. He does not have the money to upgrade all the lifts.'
During last night's rally, Mr Goh also praised the many ideas Mr Sitoh had to make Potong Pasir a beautiful town, including building a promenade along the part of Kallang River that flows through the ward.
He said Mr Sitoh will be able to deliver on his promises because if he is elected, he will have both the Senior Minister and Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong behind him.
Mr Goh also took issue with Mr Chiam's leadership abilities, saying the veteran opposition figure is afraid to recruit party members better qualified than him.
This is because of his experience with Dr Chee Soon Juan, who caused Mr Chiam to be kicked out of his former party, the Singapore Democratic Party.
Mr Sitoh, who spoke at the rally before SM Goh, gave a report card on the work he has done in the past 5 1/2 years as the ward's grassroots adviser.
Although he lost to Mr Chiam in 2001, he said he still wrote to the Government to appeal for the opening of Potong Pasir MRT station - which happened in 2003 - and, when there was no walkway between the station and a nearby coffee shop, he succeeded in getting one built.
Mr Sitoh said if he is elected, he will fulfil residents' three wishes - lift upgrading, brighter lights along corridors and covered linkways.
'I can do a lot, a lot more for you,' he said.
'As grassroots adviser, I'm able to do only community work. My hands are tied... We really want to win this election so we can run the town council.
'I sincerely ask you to give me a chance. I promise you in five years, Potong Pasir will be a very different home, totally revitalised.'
Mr Goh, who visited not just Potong Pasir in the morning, but opposition-held Hougang as well, told reporters the chances of a PAP win are higher in Potong Pasir.
'We feel we have a chance in Hougang and certainly more than a chance of winning in Potong Pasir,' said Mr Goh, who is tasked with helping the two PAP candidates win back the constituencies.
He noted that during his walkabout at the market area in Potong Pasir Avenue 2, there were residents who went up to Mr Sitoh to express their support for him - 'important signs that Sitoh is doing very well', added Mr Goh.
On the other hand, the task in Hougang for PAP candidate Eric Low is 'a little uphill'.
The PAP man is well known in the ward but a victory against incumbent Low Thia Khiang is a bit tougher, Mr Goh conceded. 'It is still - I would say at this stage - a little uphill. But we are making progress to balance the equation now in Hougang.'
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Goh talking cock again.
Why don't ask President and MM got stamina to serve their terms?
Many of Goh's men all replaced by LHL aides, how to become "resource man" for Sitoh?
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White carrot on sale but may not go down very well among the residents at PP wor.
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I hope mm lee will not sue sm goh for that remark.Originally posted by ObviousMan:Sitoh the better - and younger - man, says SM
He asks if incumbent Chiam, 71, will have stamina to serve as MP for 5 more years
mm lee is 82 this year. 11 years older than Mr. Chiam. -
SM Goh must be right. Young people got energy and can do more for people. Can't be wrong..I fully agree with SM Goh's statement. I support you, SM Goh...Good statement. Thanks SM for recognising young people. Thanks.
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Originally posted by king108:
Procreation must be troubling the SM a lot.
[b]SM Goh must be right. Young people got energy and can do more for people. Can't be wrong..I fully agree with SM Goh's statement. I support you, SM Goh...Good statement. Thanks SM for recognising young people. Thanks.[/b]