Robert,Originally posted by robertteh:As long as the Chief Elector or CPIB or PSC and Chief Justice etc are still appointed by the government, they are unlikely to be independent. Such key constitutional positions should be independent of the government and should always stay as watchdogs of the people.
The independence and objectivity or good corporate governance is the single most important factor to safeguard our vibrancy and competitiveness as a nation.
Yet such a crucial factor has not been appreciated by the current government no matter how excellent are their academic or other abilities. I suppose they are simply human and self-centred.
Given the fact the humans will finally serve their own vested interests, Citizens are finally the ones to safeguard the whole country and not the government in power or the current government who will not give up their vested interest to change for the better.
Citizens are the ones who should look after the whole country's interest and survival not the government. We need independent key people to be in charge and not just the government who has proven to be too narrow in their vision and who does not bother.
Originally posted by pikamaster:Robert,
1) I agree. But I also happen to notice that the provisions don't just provide for the government to appoint the Chief Elector, but include other people such as the opposition and the President. So I suppose there is more objectivity in that sense?
2) Are you mixing up economics with politics?
3) Guess so; or perhaps it is the Hierarchy itself. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
4) I concur fully here.
5) Actually, I think that wavist offers quite a good suggestion, except that perhaps some of the positions are not as autonomous as we - Me, Laserlordz, you, maybe some others - would wish them to be. But I do suppose we have to start somewhere.
v long ba..lazy read...
haha...
just be transparent and kick out any corrupt officers enuf d la..
dont tax so high...
aft) I wonder why this thread is being ignored... it seems pretty interesting to me...
the (puzzled) pikamaster
Originally posted by pikamaster:Chief Elector is a good suggestion. Let there be a key constitutional position to help safeguard the election and take the government's hand off the whole dirty game of gerrymandering the election process.
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Robert,
1) I agree. But I also happen to notice that the provisions don't just provide for the government to appoint the Chief Elector, but include other people such as the opposition and the President. So I suppose there is more objectivity in that sense?
2) Are you mixing up economics with politics?Politics and economics are intertwined and cannot be separated. Good corporate governance is good for good politics and good economics.
3) Guess so; or perhaps it is the Hierarchy itself. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.The American's and Western democracy has worked well so far on the basis of check and balance to prevent absolute power which has taken deep root in our Island.
I wonder why this thread is being ignored... it seems pretty interesting to me...Singaporeans have been brainwashed into believing almost anything the leaders have been assuming but were not working. That will take quite some time to change.
mmm... n ur point is... ?Originally posted by contact:
I accept your point about spelling out the gist of my suggestion. I don't understand your second point though. For the third point, people "usurp" roles all the time in Acts; I read a good deal before writing this "Bill" out. And yes and no, I am suggesting and not suggesting that a new pillar be built into the Constitution. Yes, in the sense that there is are new roles established in the sense of the Chief Elector and the Chief Registrar, and no in the sense that most of the Act is basically a government reshuffling; the only new agency introduced is the RCD, which can hardly be considered a new branch of govt. RCD is more like an appendage or extension of ROS. PARAS is upposed to provide a means to ensure the integrity of the role of President and of elections and feedback in general.Originally posted by Rexdriver:Sorry to say this, but I think you lose your audience with a thread consisting of 4 postings in the style of statutory drafting. You're better off spelling out the gist of your suggestion before translating it into legal jargon.
Anyway, it appears that there might be several problems to your proposal. Firstly, you are proposing a legislation, and legislation is always subject to the will of Parliament. Hence, it is inherently impossible to grant your Chief Elector immunity from interference from Parliament, which you have attempted to do.
Also, you appear to be suggesting that the Chief Elector usurp the role of Ministers for the "Controlled Acts". I do not believe that this is constitutionally permissible.
It seems to me that you are really suggesting that another pillar be built into our Constitution. Is this necessary? I think we are better off working on the existing loopholes in the Constitution and various legislation than to complicate the traditional structure of government. We already have a Judiciary and a President in place to check on the Executive (Parliament is unfortunately an absent concept in Singapore) - perhaps we can work on strengthening those areas first?
And of course a free press.
hahaOriginally posted by Rexdriver:Sorry to say this, but I think you lose your audience with a thread consisting of 4 postings in the style of statutory drafting. You're better off spelling out the gist of your suggestion before translating it into legal jargon.
Anyway, it appears that there might be several problems to your proposal. Firstly, you are proposing a legislation, and legislation is always subject to the will of Parliament. Hence, it is inherently impossible to grant your Chief Elector immunity from interference from Parliament, which you have attempted to do.
Also, you appear to be suggesting that the Chief Elector usurp the role of Ministers for the "Controlled Acts". I do not believe that this is constitutionally permissible.
It seems to me that you are really suggesting that another pillar be built into our Constitution. Is this necessary? I think we are better off working on the existing loopholes in the Constitution and various legislation than to complicate the traditional structure of government. We already have a Judiciary and a President in place to check on the Executive (Parliament is unfortunately an absent concept in Singapore) - perhaps we can work on strengthening those areas first?
And of course a free press.
I guess if we had the will to start a petition or sth....Originally posted by abao:good summary
but when will them have a chance to be implemented?
Originally posted by king108:haha
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Sorry to come here so late.. started reading, half way zzzZZZZ. Bit too lenghtly.
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Originally posted by pikamaster:hahaI provided a neat little summary near the bottom of this page.... u can read tt instead if u want...
Originally posted by king108:tt many??
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[b]read.. easy to put in words. They will give 1001 reasons to put it aside...sighed..
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Originally posted by pikamaster:tt many??![]()
u sure??
Originally posted by king108:at least the_wavist is doing sth, although I concede, it's not exactly tt effective...
:mrgreen[b]: You can tried, I won't waste more time on these. I only waiting for the right time right moment only....
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Originally posted by pikamaster:at least the_wavist is doing sth, although I concede, it's not exactly tt effective...