Why is HDB upgrading allowed to be a political issue?
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Pork Barrel Politics in play?
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I can think is with mostly local singaporean will be Toa Payoh (now mixed), Patong Pasir, Changi - "Did I strike?"Originally posted by Manager433:Can someone name a a housing estate whereby the flats are more than 35 yrs old.
Taman Jurong, mostly foreigner so I discounted. -
This tactic is starting to piss Singaporeans off.
I am sure even some PAP members are against using this as an election tactic but what to do?
Have to tow the party line.
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I nearly wanted to crack a joke..after seeing that particular message written. But conscientiously, with due reespect, I reserved.Originally posted by LinYu:Can someone tell me what the fu*k is he trying to say? Has the man gone senile?
How to have one united people when some are treated as another class. Sighed...No eyes see leh... -
Let it collapse.Originally posted by charlize:This tactic is starting to piss Singaporeans off.
I am sure even some PAP members are against using this as an election tactic but what to do?
Have to tow the party line.
To resort to such tricks..is very unbecoming. -
I used to laugh when my relatives from Mya said that they were paid "transportation fees" to vote, but......
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HDB upgrading has become a political issue because we indirectly approved it with our votes. So, what is there to complain about; we have only ourselves to blame.
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Singaporeans have got to take a page from the lessons written by the Residents of Potong Pasir, when they voted with their common sense and continuously voted for Chiam See Tong for the last two or three elections.
The Residents of Potong Pasir were baited with the MRT station that was located at their door step, and were told that it will not be open if the PAP candidate was not elected.
The Residents of Potong Pasir snub the offer and challenged the incumbent Political Party NOT TO OPEN the MRT station after it was built.
Similarly, Singaporeans should challenge the incumbent Ruling Party to let all the HDB Estates controlled by Opposition MPs to degenerate by electing more Opposition into Parliament.
Can the incumbent Ruling Political Party afford to let the polish image of Singapore to deterioate simply due to the fact that the Constituencies are in the hands of the Opposition ?
If the Government of the day can be so petty as to divert NATIONAL FUNDS collected from the Income Tax of Singaporeans, perhaps Singaporeans should pay their income tax to the Town Councils of the various Constituencies instead of paying to the Naitonal INLAND REVENUE AUTHORITY OF SINGAPORE.
We will then see the abilities of the various Opposition Members to manage the economics and governance of the various townships under their care. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
It is still a political issue cos' it does work...Your property is your most valuable asset and money always counts in Singapore. Would anyone wish to buy a resale flat from from Potong Pasir unless the selling price is way below the market value? Without upgrading, your investment will only depreciate in value..
not true, appreciating property prices would only make singapore a more expensive place to live in. upgrading for the sake of jacking up property prices is not healthy.
The government's policy is not fair but why should residents in Potong Pasir continue to suffer for choosing the Opposition? Those who want to keep Opposition MPs in Parliament should help defray the costs of upgrading for flats in Opposition wards. Unless you are prepared to put your money where your mouth is, we will have fewer, not more Opposition Party MPs.
in the first place, the money for upgrading is the nation's money, not PAP's money. hence it should be used for the people's interest, not the PAP's interest. if the people had control over the nation's money, it wouldn't have to be held ransom by any political party. or if it has the ability to make good the threat of tearing down the ruling the party, then the ruling party would not dare use upgrading as a threat for buying votes.
furthermore, upgrading every five years is simply wasteful, before the paint has dried up another fresh coat of paint is applied on it ...
Lots of people are unhappy with some government policies but at the end of the day, it's down to dollars and cents.
but at the end of the day, who foots the dollars and cents? still the people isn't it? -
Pay And Pay is really too much!
I hope those living in potong pasir and hougang will denounce such tactics by voting for opposition. Since when did govt bodies become part of the ruling party assets. -
FYI, any flat that is more than 35 years, they will tear it down, who suffer, the ppl suffer becouse they have to shift again and buy new flat, how to pay becouse by that time they are old aiready and jobless no CPF, FYI those above 40, difficult to find job, i think all opposition parties should boycott the election, no point they cant winOriginally posted by Manager433:Can someone name a a housing estate whereby the flats are more than 35 yrs old. -
snow leopard..
Rite on..!! People's money .. why theu use it for blackmailing their own singaporean citizens. -
What you expect?Originally posted by LinYu:Can someone tell me what the fu*k is he trying to say? Has the man gone senile?
His title is "S*****" Minister leh! -
You are probably too young to understand the concerns of your parents...most Singaporeans have little or no savings apart from their HDB flats. Their only hope of a comfortable retirement is to downsize and live off the profits from selling their flats. If the value of their flats drop, relative to those in PAP-controlled wards, how are they going to retire?Originally posted by snow leopard:not true, appreciating property prices would only make singapore a more expensive place to live in. upgrading for the sake of jacking up property prices is not healthy. -
Again, I have to quote Kipling:
A Dead Statesman (1924)
I could not dig, I dared not rob,
And so I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue,
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale will serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?
These people are morally corrupt and if there is a hell, I am sure I would meet them there. Toying with the lives and property of the common man for no other reason than political gain is...beyond words.
This is a shit country with shit politics and I am glad I am not a part of it. -
Well, Kipling wrote this too.
The White Man's Burden
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.
Just something trivial. -
IF more Constituencies follow the Potong Pasir 'thinking' and take on the challenge of the Ruling Political Party, and vote in more Opposition into Parliament - can the Ruling Political Party afford to let more HDB Estates to look like ghettoes, or will they let HDB to manage the Estates as they are allowed to ?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You are probably too young to understand the concerns of your parents...most Singaporeans have little or no savings apart from their HDB flats. Their only hope of a comfortable retirement is to downsize and live off the profits from selling their flats. If the value of their flats drop, relative to those in PAP-controlled wards, how are they going to retire?
Holding back upgrading for TWO OPPOSITION LED CONSTITUENCIES is quite different from allowing half of Singapore's HDB Estates to go down the drain.
For united we stand
Divided we fall
And if our backs should ever be against the wall..............
Can the POWER OF ONE overwhelm the UNITED POWER of TWO MILLION and MORE ? -
NO big deal! Let the PAP have Potong Pasir and Hougang back if they desperately want to upgrade the estates. In return all we need to do is vote in an entire team of opposition members in a GRC from some other contituency for example maybe Ang Mo Kio GRC
Seriously if the government wants to play ball then the people too can play musical chairs with them.
Has it ever occured to residents of Potong Pasir and Hougand to sue the government collectively in the high courts on the upgrading issue? Tax payers money is being used to pay for upgradings. As citizens of the country residents of Potong pasir and Hougang are entitled to the same benefits as any other residents in any other contituency in the country.
For example, Can you imagine if in the United States all states controlled by Democrats were denied budgets/funding and the cities become derelicts and run down just because the state voted in a Democrat governor against the current President and Congress which is controlled by the Republican Party. Mr Bush and his republican government would be sued left and right by the American people. You can have different parties controlling states BUT it doesnt mean the American people collectively are denid equal benefits for voting in a representative from the opposing party. -
Don't be caught in the trap of a loan for a HDB if you can.Renting it will free up your CPF for future retirement use.
and please do not try to live beyond your means. -
AgreeOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Don't be caught in the trap of a loan for a HDB if you can.Renting it will free up your CPF for future retirement use.
and please do not try to live beyond your means. -
Politics is, in some way or other, dirty
The tragedy is that voters here just take it all in without a whimper or complain (or lawsuit). -
actually this might not deter potong pasir residents..few years back we issued threats about the mrt station..
in the end they still built it at potong pasir..
and potong pasir still under opposition.. -
The opposition should really aim to win the GRCs since most of them have already been upgraded or are in the process of being upgraded.
Kill 2 birds with one stone - more opposition in Parliament and nicely upgraded constituencies.
Opposition happy, Singaporeans happy. -
The constituents in all Opposition Wards can take up a Test Case against the Government for withholding tax payers' monies to upgrade their estates, and for imposing politics on HDB in their day to day management of HDB estates.Originally posted by gill_hfc:NO big deal! Let the PAP have Potong Pasir and Hougang back if they desperately want to upgrade the estates. In return all we need to do is vote in an entire team of opposition members in a GRC from some other contituency for example maybe Ang Mo Kio GRC
Seriously if the government wants to play ball then the people too can play musical chairs with them.
Has it ever occured to residents of Potong Pasir and Hougand to sue the government collectively in the high courts on the upgrading issue? Tax payers money is being used to pay for upgradings. As citizens of the country residents of Potong pasir and Hougang are entitled to the same benefits as any other residents in any other contituency in the country.
For example, Can you imagine if in the United States all states controlled by Democrats were denied budgets/funding and the cities become derelicts and run down just because the state voted in a Democrat governor against the current President and Congress which is controlled by the Republican Party. Mr Bush and his republican government would be sued left and right by the American people. You can have different parties controlling states BUT it doesnt mean the American people collectively are denid equal benefits for voting in a representative from the opposing party.
The Test Case can be a Class Action against the discriminatory policies of the Ruling Political Party aka the Government in their actions against the Opposition wards, and if the Singapore ideals exist for Singaporeans or is it for propaganda only :To build a democratic society
The Test Case can be delivered to the World Court for judgment in view of the predominance of the POWER OF ONE in the Singapore environment.
Based on justice and equality
So as to achieve happiness, prosperity & progress for our nation -
The problem is not whether HDB is privatised or not. The problem is using government money which is money belonging to the public for private political party ends. Take it anyway you want.Originally posted by Ponders:http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/199982/1/.html
This isn't the first time they are playing this card.
But isn't HDB now a corporatised entity? how has politics foudn its place here?