Why is HDB upgrading allowed to be a political issue?
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:For many Singaporeans that is not an option...you would leave your aging parents behind???
That why I stayed. Flat fully paid, ensured that his medical taken care off, etc. Hence, got no choice but required to create a more human living and better singapore for all of us. -
While writing my piece - on 26 March 2006 1.08pm - that suggest Singaporeans taking up a "Class Action" against the Ruling Political Party aka the Government, another thought came into my mind as to how the "fork tongue" will defend the "skewed mind".Originally posted by gill_hfc:there are many grounds to sue the government over Potong Pasir and Hougang. First of all PP and Hougang are not independent states or another world altogether. These are suburbs right here in singapore. Its residents are entitled to all the rights and benefits enshrined in the contituition and laws of singapore just like any other singaporean. For the government to deny their estates upgrades clearly goes against the constituition. Just because the MP is an opposition member does not mean they are not entitled to the benefits of being a singapore citizen. residents of PP and hougang pay taxes to the same government at the end of the day. where does it state in the constituition that it is illegal to have an opposition member as an MP?
i'm no lawyer but if there is a collective lawsuit by the residents of PP and Hougang in the high court, i am confident the residents would win against the government. if the case is thrown out take it to the international court of justice. It will make the government sit up and listen!
The defense to such a charge is quite simple in that the Ruling Political Party can claim that the National Budget is limited, that not all Wards can be upgraded at the same time in one Year, that there are no plans NOT to upgrade the Opposition Wards but that the plans are merely roster to the bottom of the program, and that during their Five Year Term as a Government some of the Wards in their care are not even upgraded - which will need confirmation.
The question now is prioritisation - since there are only TWO CONSTITUENCIES belonging to the Opposition Parties - surely it is incumbent on the Government of the day to deal with these matters first, and not favor those Constituencies that are controlled by their own Ruling Political Party ?
Leave it to those crooked minds that can twist the flimsiest of excuse to fabricate a big web of issues to justify and reinforce their own positions - where " A LIE " repeated often enough will morph into " THE TRUTH " . -
If you are financially able, it's better if you can bring your parents abroad to retire and let them experience a better life.
Of course, that's if they are the more travelled sort. -
but they will miss all their friends..Originally posted by LazerLordz:If you are financially able, it's better if you can bring your parents abroad to retire and let them experience a better life.
Of course, that's if they are the more travelled sort.
and sometimes they rather not have soo much money to spend..but spend more time with their friends.. -
upgrading is like a bait. so wrong. hope the PP and HG residents stay with their current MPs and not be won over by such puny tactics.
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You notice now the minsters are telling voters to vote NOT for the party's track record (which has quite a lot of horrendous blemishes in the past few years) but rather for the new young members coming in.
Suddenly, it is not about what they have done (or not done) for Singaporeans over the past few years.
It's like they themselves know their performance have not matched up to Singaporeans' expectations. -
I will not leave them behind but I also need to ask them whether they agreeable to join to migrate. If they insisted on staying here, I respect theirOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:For many Singaporeans that is not an option...you would leave your aging parents behind???
decision. Another question why it is not an option for Sporean? -
Yes, it seems that they now realise that the upcoming Election will see a new generation of young and educated Singaporeans, who are tech-savvy, and perhaps have participated in many different on-line forums, and have read the many postings that support and lambasted the Ruling Political Party aka the present Government.Originally posted by charlize:You notice now the minsters are telling voters to vote NOT for the party's track record (which has quite a lot of horrendous blemishes in the past few years) but rather for the new young members coming in.
Suddenly, it is not about what they have done (or not done) for Singaporeans over the past few years.
It's like they themselves know their performance have not matched up to Singaporeans' expectations.
The 'TRUTH' of their track record cannot be constantly regurgitated and polished further, otherwise the shine will rub off then the oxidised base will be exposed - resulting in the real base being exposed too clearly for all to see. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:If you are financially able, it's better if you can bring your parents abroad to retire and let them experience a better life.
Of course, that's if they are the more travelled sort. Unfortunately, my dad don't know angmo,
China, I got no business.
Malaysia, scare gangster...
Batam, scare woman con him....
You think I don't wanted.... -
Most elderly people will not want to uproot and emigrate but they would want their children around them as well, especially if they are frail and sick. How can you just drop them and go?Originally posted by will4:I will not leave them behind but I also need to ask them whether they agreeable to join to migrate. If they insisted on staying here, I respect their
decision. Another question why it is not an option for Sporean? -
Originally posted by charlize:You notice now the minsters are telling voters to vote NOT for the party's track record (which has quite a lot of horrendous blemishes in the past few years) but rather for the new young members coming in.
Suddenly, it is not about what they have done (or not done) for Singaporeans over the past few years.
It's like they themselves know their performance have not matched up to Singaporeans' expectations. "Ba ku teh" "ba ku teh" New "ba ku teh" sweet sweet "ba ku teh"
Got "ba tu" and "teh" Got the picture.... -
Originally posted by king108:
I have seriously no idea what your bak ku teh means. [b]"Ba ku teh" "ba ku teh" New "ba ku teh" sweet sweet "ba ku teh"
Got "ba tu" and "teh" Got the picture....
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But if you don't go, you end up solving the gov's problem but not your future.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Most elderly people will not want to uproot and emigrate but they would want their children around them as well, especially if they are frail and sick. How can you just drop them and go?
I say let the gov take care of your parents. Go and make your future and when you succeeed, you can choose where to house your parents. If you fail, you can still return to take care of your frail and sickly parents here. And when you become frail and sickly, let the gov take care of you! -
My folks have said they will not retire in Singapore. After all, our friends and relatives are mostly scattered around the world.Originally posted by stellazio:but they will miss all their friends..
and sometimes they rather not have soo much money to spend..but spend more time with their friends.. -
Bak Ku Teh uses Bak Ku, can change to other things meh? Will be the same...only soup can be changed, material never changed. Can cook using chicken / duck / beef / mutton and tell you this is bak ku teh or no. Cannot rite..Originally posted by charlize:I have seriously no idea what your bak ku teh means. -
You are fortunate then...Originally posted by LazerLordz:My folks have said they will not retire in Singapore. After all, our friends and relatives are mostly scattered around the world.
That's not true for most Singaporeans with elderly parents. Most of them find it difficult to adapt when they don't speak the language, dislike the food and detest the cold climate, especially when they are removed from the support of friends and relatives. -
yeah, its quite case by case. but sometimes, we have to just make the best of what is laid out in front of us.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You are fortunate then...
That's not true for most Singaporeans with elderly parents. Most of them find it difficult to adapt when they don't speak the language, dislike the food and detest the cold climate, especially when they are removed from the support of friends and relatives. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:My folks have said they will not retire in Singapore. After all, our friends and relatives are mostly scattered around the world. Bear in mind to built a closed solid network. Else after sometimes, the 2nd and/or 3rd generations...everything had to restart again. An example is mine...(scattered around the world with the same great grandfather but internally feeling had drifted)...
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very simple answer:Originally posted by Ponders:http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/199982/1/.html
This isn't the first time they are playing this card.
But isn't HDB now a corporatised entity? how has politics foudn its place here?
because PAP is in charge. They can do wadever they want and wad can the people do about it? -
Originally posted by Ponders:http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/199982/1/.html
This isn't the first time they are playing this card.
But isn't HDB now a corporatised entity? how has politics foudn its place here? Sorry Fellow Ponders.. I joined in the middle of the fun, only to realise your statements after some members quoted your statement.
Apologise for my overlooking..
You wanted to know who(s) are inside HDB? or any corporatised entity...I will be glad to introduce to you. However, you must make sure, you are obedient, smart and polite...and don't get me into any hot soup...(remember don't ask sensitive questions)
After reconsidered for a while, I withdraw my offer... -
We will vote and let them win so that our flat can be upgrade... then later when upgrading finish.... hehehe switch over to the opposition,
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Absolute utilitarianism..LKY would be proud of youOriginally posted by LittleTiger:We will vote and let them win so that our flat can be upgrade... then later when upgrading finish.... hehehe switch over to the opposition,
"I am a pragmatist, not an idealogue.." LKY -
Originally posted by LittleTiger:We will vote and let them win so that our flat can be upgrade... then later when upgrading finish.... hehehe switch over to the opposition, Next round, I hoped that I wouldn't be around to see, cause I will assume that HG and PP may be inside one of the GRC already...like what happened to Anson previously. Will be a silly move if anyone think the same as you. Think out of the box, other better solutions could be floated by some at the right and appropriate time.
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I call it karma.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Absolute utilitarianism..LKY would be proud of you
"I am a pragmatist, not an idealogue.." LKY You get burnt by the same pragmatism that put you in power. -
Was the bribery tactics effective?
I believe the HDB upgrading tactics was not effective to gain votes because most voters didn't vote just on this matter.PAP failed to win back the opp. wards during last 2 GE shows the tactics is ineffective.Perhaps it can only have a very small effect. Would PAP use this tactics again?