Goh just said Hougang and PP resident no upgrade if PAP lost
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I think this is the most blatant confession made. Uncharacteristic.
Looks like upgrading will be done in two phases:
i)Areas which voted for PAP, in order of winning margin
ii)Areas with walkovers....will be very long.
Those in opposition ward, wait long long bah?! -
If you choose to upgrade, you are paying for it.
You will be paying more for less.
In the end, if it fails due to cheapo contractors, you pay and pay.
It is not as the ruling party is paying for everything.
It is funded by you and me.
So, it is the people's money, not the party money. -
Dont worry they go see GCT only, but they still vote CST. CST cannot afford to lose , he is the icon for democracy. If PAP wins , then next time there will be no more Potong Pasir, it will merge with neighbour GRC. They use upgrading as a threat, I feel it is unfair. All blocks regardless where is the ward shall be given upgrading according to the age of the flats. The reason why I dont like PAP is they control too much our livesOriginally posted by Manager433:So many ppl running towards my blk when they saw the cars coming....... what if they fall and got themself hurt badly? 
Crazy! Like never see GCT before. -
I think GCT now not much power, he is SM still under PM, why PM dare not go to PP or Hougang, can anyone tell meOriginally posted by hisoka:upgrade no use one lah. you have to pay for it and all the fees will increase.
and hor that goh choke tong say only. not confirm.
he keep sayign he can ask the pm to do this or try to help them get that. wait in the end vote them then he say "oh, i tried but failed lah" then all suk thumb -
Why quit!!! Be the survivor, end of the game still can expect $1,000,000.00. You want it? I wanted...Originally posted by kopiosatu:let's all be 'quitters'!
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Upgrades...when will they change this tactic. Actually, quite a number of singaporeans now will support PAP because, basically they have perfom well and nothing major happened. But have they consider this, if inside the parliment has only 4 seats of oppositions, when they have things to debate, wouldn't that be a 4 against 80 votes.
There are some debates which need more rational votings, imagine, a house with 95% same group of pple normally will support one an other which already decides the votes. There are some debates which requires a more balance votes. Singapore will need more pple in the house to cast their comments and thinkings. To some, maybe they agree to the outcome, but to some it may differ.
Since I live in HG, pap has kept on using upgrades as one of the main topics but if you look closely at the few previous elections, always before voting, the government gives out so-called "freebies", but after voting, they win the house, will start to see hikes or change of rules.
For the so-call upgrades, the goverment should not just decide on their own to approve or disapprove, they should take the response of the citizens into considerations too. If the response is high, they juz need to look deeper into it for considerations. Not juz because they themselves decide. And I believe pple living in those estates which requires upgrading would be quite interested in it. Just that they are worried how much of the cost would be bound by the citizens. -
Hmm...maybe this is a good time to buy flats in Potong Pasir...
The PAP seems to think they will win this time...they aren't as interested in Hougang. If PAP wins, I can almost guarantee they will upgrade the entire constituency and throw in all kinds of goodies.
So buy now when the value is low and sell after upgrading -
[color=orange]So late still haven't sleep...mmmm..by the way Oxford where you from? Officially P...? Blessing for them to have someone like you, but are you being appreciated?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Hmm...maybe this is a good time to buy flats in Potong Pasir...
The PAP seems to think they will win this time...they aren't as interested in Hougang. If PAP wins, I can almost guarantee they will upgrade the entire constituency and throw in all kinds of goodies.
So buy now when the value is low and sell after upgrading -
too much micromanagement and leveraging on the base human want to make money, especially with the pragmatic mindset drilled into the heads by ..guess who?Originally posted by t_a_s:Dont worry they go see GCT only, but they still vote CST. CST cannot afford to lose , he is the icon for democracy. If PAP wins , then next time there will be no more Potong Pasir, it will merge with neighbour GRC. They use upgrading as a threat, I feel it is unfair. All blocks regardless where is the ward shall be given upgrading according to the age of the flats. The reason why I dont like PAP is they control too much our lives -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:too much micromanagement and leveraging on the base human want to make money, especially with the pragmatic mindset drilled into the heads by ..guess who?
Frankly speaking, bit of worrying of PP from the rate that things are going...sighed... -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:too much micromanagement and leveraging on the base human want to make money, especially with the pragmatic mindset drilled into the heads by ..guess who?
You sounded like a lawyer, english is definitely sharp..legally. -
Notice how the last line says "for our nation", and not so much for ourselves. Nation in this context must mean the PAP, Temasek Holdings, and the Dynasty. Not the peasants.Originally posted by dcx:The funny thing is that Sinaporeans all do the Sinagpore pledge....
We, the citizens of Singapore
Pledge ourselves as one united people
Regardless of race, language or religion
To build a democratic society
Based on justice and equality
So as to achieve happiness, prosperity & progress for our nation
Well....we're one united ppl, so, everyone should have their fair share of upgrades n etc...All are carrying the pink ic and singaporeans...so, why the difference...but then....
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i thot only school kids recite that and all of us only do that during august of the year only?Originally posted by dcx:The funny thing is that Sinaporeans all do the Sinagpore pledge....
We, the citizens of Singapore
Pledge ourselves as one united people
Regardless of race, language or religion
To build a democratic society
Based on justice and equality
So as to achieve happiness, prosperity & progress for our nation
Well....we're one united ppl, so, everyone should have their fair share of upgrades n etc...All are carrying the pink ic and singaporeans...so, why the difference...but then.... -
I think people should just go to the rallies during the elections and Boo the incumbent party when they bring out this issue again.
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Originally posted by dcx:
It didn't say "regardless of race, language, religion or political affilation" heheheh
[b]The funny thing is that Sinaporeans all do the Sinagpore pledge....
We, the citizens of Singapore
Pledge ourselves as one united people
Regardless of race, language or religion
To build a democratic society
Based on justice and equality
So as to achieve happiness, prosperity & progress for our nation
The PAP founding father Rajaratnam was sharp in his words. There can be religious and racial harmony, but never political harmony
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Originally posted by charlize:I think people should just go to the rallies during the elections and Boo the incumbent party when they bring out this issue again.
I can imagine all the PP residents booing and giving the thumbs down when CST's opponent makes his rally speeches. Can I ask for just 1 peanut. Thanks. I eat already and keep the shelf -
In the Channelnewsasia report, SM GCT remarks were printed as follows:
If Mr Sitoh is elected into Parliament in the upcoming General Election, Mr Goh says he will offer himself as a resource person to push the ideas in Cabinet.
But he stressed that Mr Sitoh will be the main person in the fight for Potong Pasir.
Mr Goh also elaborated on what he means by raising the whip in Parliament so that Mr Sitoh and Mr Eric Low can raise opposing views.
Mr Goh says: "Actually I was trying to find a way out to a question where somebody said that there are people who wanted an opposition. They also want upgrading, so in my mind I thought well we can have the best of both worlds - we can have upgrading and if they elect Sitoh Yih Pin and Eric Low, we can lift the whip for them. That means we can also have an opposition voice in Parliament.
"Let's make it clear, I mean they are PAP MPs so it is not quite the same as an opposition MP. But what I hope Eric Low and Sitoh Yih Pin would do regardless of whether the whip is lifted or not is to speak their minds frankly. Whatever views they have, even though they disagree with the government or with the party, they must voice them in Parliament - that's important. So it's my advice to Sitoh Yih Pin just now.
"I say, 'Look, in order to establish yourself later on as an MP, you must not come across as a 'yes' man. Come across as Sitoh Yih Pin, who has got a view, who has got a voice; be prepared to raise difficult issues to the government so the whip is actually immaterial.' It's whether he is prepared to speak on policies when he has a different view and whether the government will support it." - CNA/de
Unfortunately, SM GCT did not mention the all important part, that is -
will the PAP MPs regaining the Opposition Wards be allowed to vote according to their conscience, and if they can vote against their Party's Policies ?
Is it of any use to lift the Party's Whip for these PAP MPs to speak their mind and not be YES-Men, but at the end of the debate - all PAP MPs have to submit to the Party's Politics and end up as YES-MEN, as all have been for the last FORTY YEARS in the Singapore Parliament. -
I think today paper got say somethings. but I see him so tired so never read...can read up and tell me.. -
After providing so much positive response to the WP mandate, where is the ruling party mandate ?
Or is there a mandate at all ?
The opposing party have introduced their new representatives, followed by the rulling party.
Where is the initiative ?
Every one can guarantee all the goodies.
But, the goodies are NOT FREE and borne by the foolish people who support blindly.
No one come out and say to lower the cost of medical and utilities and transport by lowering the MP salary.
No one can guarantee no fee hike.
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Let's support SDP bah... PAP is a big bully that likes to control its citizens through unfair means...
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I think besides being paid the highest wages, Singapore is also the only country with 3 prime ministers in the garment, Harry Lee and Son and The Holy Goh.
When the Holy GOH was PM, he shut the gate to many students who wanted to study medicine. Degrees from some overseas medical schools were not recognised. Now The flood gate is opened wide to let doctors with overseas qualifications to come work in Singapore.
NOL once hired a Dane to help turn the company profitable. The Dane brought his friends to take the high posts. The local staff joked that NOL means No Orientals Left. Holy Goh then said that if he did not allow foreign talents in, NOL would mean No One Left.
After a few years, the Dane's contract was terminated early because he could not make NOL profitable. He left with some $4m in severence pay.
The ruling party can find candidates who can talk the talk. Can they walk the walk?
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wor. so now PAP have to resort to dirty tactics like these to win ah?Originally posted by niceguy_123:I just can't understand why treating fellow singaporeans double standards??
Didn't the residents in Hougang and PP pay taxes, GST, COEs, housing loans...etc just like the rest of the singaporeans.. it just being very unethical using such remarks to "blackmail" the citizens there...
I feel even they choose other people as MPs, they should be receiving the same treatment as a singaporean citizen.
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It's not "now".Originally posted by HENG@:wor. so now PAP have to resort to dirty tactics like these to win ah?
They have been doing it since the first upgrading exercise years back. -
Singaporeans should learn to read behind the lines and see through the puff of smoke created.
Unfair to discredit Chiam's good work
March 28, 2006
The Straits Times
I READ the article, 'The gathering storm' (ST, March 25), with interest.
Besides the challenge from Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong who is 'storming into Potong Pasir and Hougang to win them back for the People's Action Party', opposition MPs probably face another obstacle: dismissive press reports.
Even though the article tried to highlight some of the good that Mr Chiam See Tong has done for Potong Pasir, it did more to cast a disparaging shade on the work done by him.
For example, because of its tranquillity and rustic charm, Potong Pasir was referred to as a 'dead town' that even the dead forsake, after they were 'exhumed from their century-old home'. For all that Mr Chiam has done in the past 22 years, Potong Pasir was described as a 'laid back' ward and the writer found it 'logic-defying' that the residents refused to be enticed by the PAP carrots.
Despite 97 per cent of the residents polled expressing that they were 'happy living in the ward', the writer expressed his reservations and summed up the work done in Potong Pasir as stop-gap measures: 'life in Potong Pasir during non-election season is hardly the stuff of fireworks'.
The use of rhetoric was most sarcastic: 'Sports facilities? Not even a park to jog in, unless you count Bidadari Cemetery's pavements' as fitting.
The fate of Potong Pasir was then decisively sealed: 'Mr Chiam is so old' and 'Toa Payoh Lorong 8 looks the worse for wear and suffers the curse of being compared' to a newer-looking ward across the road. And there is also the younger MP of the ruling party who is wielding the 'PAP's lightning bolt' and the keys to unlock funds to deliver upgrading.
I am not sure why most of the upgrading works in the 'PAP-held Lorong 6' were completed recently or what impact an article like this, with its uncanny timeliness and telling diction, has on the election outcome, but I think it is rather unfair, and even misleading, to dismiss Mr Chiam's hard labour in his ward.
I would like to point out the following with regard to the article:
Bus service No. 142 is not the sole service in the ward; others include service nos. 8, 13, 26, 31 and 151.
The Lorong 8 market was upgraded within the last five to six years and the playgrounds had also been upgraded.
No parks, but sporting facilities such as basketball courts had been constructed.
Residents can give feedback and suggestions for improvements to their MP via an online channel named 'Your Voice' in the Potong Pasir Town Council website, besides the Meet-the-People sessions.
Community events, including festive celebrations, have been organised, albeit without the sea life-unfriendly $1 shark's-fin soup.
Some towns, especially those in the western parts of Singapore, look equally, if not more, 'sleepy'. On the other hand, Potong Pasir contains an old-world charm, away from the maddening crowds.
In Melbourne, my friends and I sometimes travelled two hours to get to malls and cinemas from the suburbs. The 'plight' of Potong Pasir residents is nowhere compared to this.
In conclusion, one should note the absence of a level playing field for Mr Chiam as the Ministry of National Development channels Community Improvement Projects Committee funds for town improvements only to grassroots advisers who are all PAP leaders. Opposition MPs also do not have access to the community development council funds for community assistance.
I think it is ironic that the Potong Pasir residents pay taxes but are excluded from the good these funds bring. Supporting an opposition MP is no excuse for this.
The revolver might be old but the shots can still hit the right spots. Perhaps Potong Pasir residents should stick to their guns.
Lena Soh Kwee Kim (Ms)
Asia1.com
One thing cropped up, why are opposition wards denied access to national development funds even though they won their elections fair and square?
Isn't that a crooked scheme bent on funnelling more financial power to losing candidates of the the lightning party? How is that considered legitimate?
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yes. im being sacarstic.Originally posted by charlize:It's not "now".
They have been doing it since the first upgrading exercise years back.