MP (Tampines GRC) Irene Ng's Iron-Fisted Reply
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That's one pressing reason enough to show that this political system needs to evolve.And our youth have to decide what kind of society they want to live in.They and they alone should decide, not anyone else.Originally posted by LinYu:Well, David Cai was not the first, Catherine and others had tasted the bitter medicine. You can talk for all you want but keep the opinion to yourself if it does not conform to their ideas.
Otherwise join politics to be politicians to air your views. of course they are talking about you joining the oppositions coz they have no room for opposing ideas.
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Originally posted by t_a_s:Irene Ng also challenged WP chairman Sylvia Lim asking her what is her vision in the ST Forum not lomg ago. If Irene Ng were to challege Sylvia Lim one to one, I think Ng will lose because, she dont have her own idea and opinion, hers is a borrowed one from the PAP, that means all PAP wear the same trousers, what vision does Ng have, she hides behind the minister in the GRC, that was a walk over if i am not wrong, Sylvia is a lawyer and i think she can win if there is a contest between this 2 ladies
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Irene Ng is Indon? I thought she was a Penangite.Originally posted by Atobe:Irene Ng was touted by the Ruling Political Party as a gem with the experience from her birth country that was subjected to ruinous abuses by the government and the disorganised system that allowed corruption at every level of society.
Her birthplace - Indonesia.
For one who has come over to Singapore as a PR and to become a Citizen, we can probably understand her ardent embrace of a totally different environment that Singapore offered.
It is only unfortunate that while immersed into the denseness of Singapore Politics, she can no longer see ahead through the thick growth, nor find her path through, and can hardly differentiate the tree from the forest.
Being only a Citizen for such a short period, is she qualified to speak of our Singapore System ?
It is a pity that she prefer the characteristic arrogant, condescending and dismissive attitude of the Ruling Political Party towards others who hold them to the same strong critical light; and will resort to befuddle the issues by debating the issues in an off-tangent manner that directs one to their own version of the Singapore Reality.
Is she living in the Singapore that she dream that she is living ?
Does she believe that the Singapore Parliament is superior to the British Parliament or the US Congress - in which the respective Countries have an ALTERNATIVE POLITICAL PARTY that is READY and CAPABLE to take over the reins of Government when the other one falters.
Their system has been left intact through generations of continuous politics, which can hardly be the same in Singapore - when we can only depend on a SINGLE PARTY that continuously DISMANTLE THE SYSTEM by RE-WRITING THE SINGAPORE CONSTITUTION to entrench the Single Party Rule, and suppress all forms of vibrant Opposition Politics by LOYAL SINGAPOREANS.
Can the Singapore Political System be superior to the British or US Political System ?
However, it is a fact that Dr Lily Neo's hometown is in Medan, Sumatra. -
Yes, my grateful thanks for correcting this error.Originally posted by iveco:Irene Ng is Indon? I thought she was a Penangite.
However, it is a fact that Dr Lily Neo's hometown is in Medan, Sumatra.
I got her mixxed up with Dr Lily Neo.
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It's getting more and more interesting to find out who(s) are actually running the life of our 3rd generation singaporeans.....
Really can't find anyone better here? -
Originally posted by king108:
Is it national survival or party survival?
[b]It's getting more and more interesting to find out who(s) are actually running the life of our 3rd generation singaporeans..... Really can't find anyone better here?
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Is it national survival or party survival?
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Originally posted by LazerLordz:Is it national survival or party survival? I placed more on national survival...Party survival? kidding me..
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But the key issue is not the right to voice our views, which all of us enjoy, but the quality of the political system, the substance of the political debate and how decisions made can improve the lives of ordinary citizens.
but our rights are not the same, as our leaders have admitted before, some are more equal than others and therefore enjoy a louder voice than the rest of us. also, who should be the one passing judgement on the quality of our political system and substance of our debates? you? and about improvement of the lives of ordinary folks, no matter your attempts on the surface, we know that ordinary folks will need to serve a lifetime of servitude just to own a roof over their heads, a roof that will be taken back from them in just a few decades.
Singapore has a hard-won international reputation for its high standard of integrity and competence in its politics. The PAP ensures this by insisting on honest, capable political leaders who fulfil their promises to the people. This has served Singapore and Singaporeans well.
but singapore is also a laughing stock when it comes to its reputation as a 'democracy' as every foreigner you meet will have no qualms about ridiculing our impeccable dynastic succession. again i really have to ask, who decides that we have been served well? you? or us? who decides capability? you? or suzhou?
In such a clean and transparent system, all allegations are investigated and lies refuted. Politicians who make scurrilous remarks must be able to back them up with facts. This applies both to the PAP as well as the opposition. This way, voters can decide better to whom they can entrust their future. Mr Cai forgets that Mr Chiam See Tong and Mr Low Thia Khiang have been in politics for over 20 years without suffering any consequences.
just because you say our system is transparent therefore it is? we don't even have an effective watchdog to check what you're doing how do we know you're as transparent as you claim to be?
strangely, every allegation that are being refuted always refer to the same party and individuals. is it possible that so many different individuals have been wrong and always wrong and the same plaintiff has always and will always be right? just like the NKF? all these years, Durai was always right, always clean, always transparent and everybody else who spoke against Durai were severely punished. looked what happened now.
how are we to know if Mr Chiam and Mr Low had not suffered in silence having been wisened by the examples of JB Jeyaratnam and the like?
Our system is not perfect, but it is far better than the chaotic and dirty politics found in many other countries. Would Mr Cai prefer the political ferment in Thailand and the Philippines, where distrust of the ruling party's action and public conflict are ever present? Or the corruption of so many Asian countries, which have 'freer' political systems and media than Singapore?
i wonder which is better, a chaotic but balanced system that ensures that we are not being taken for a ride or a supposedly 'clean' one that leads us by our noses, even if it is to our own graves?
The PAP Government and its MPs have gained the respect and trust of the people over the years. This is something special.
that is what you would like to believe. get rid of the GRC and we shall see.
In the United States and Britain - where political debates and scandals dominate - cynicism with the political system has become widespread, resulting in declining voter turn-outs in their general elections. Politicians rank lower than used-car salesmen in public esteem.
but absence of scandals could simply mean the lack of transparency and deliberate cover up of stupendous mistakes by our leaders in the name of 'responsible' news reporting.
According to the book, The Vanishing Voter, by Mr Thomas Patterson, a key reason for the voters' cynicism in the US is that political campaigns seem more like theatre or entertainment than something to be taken seriously. In Singapore, we take our politics seriously.
ours? a stock exchange where you buy votes and sell upgrading programmes? except our stupid stock voters don't realise that the upgrades they're buying are actually theirs rightfully in the first place.
we take politics seriously? then how come reports show that young voters are indifferent to politics and don't even know who their MPs are?
The PAP is not afraid of different views and, in fact, encourages this. When I was interviewed to be a PAP candidate for the last general election, I made it clear that I disagreed with some of the PAP's policies. Still, I was selected, and I still maintain these views.
more like it is not afraid to stamp out any dissenting views.
Indeed, if the PAP wants to silence dissent, why should it introduce the Non-Constituency MP scheme to give opposition members at least three seats in Parliament? Because of this scheme, Mr Steve Chia, who lost in the last general election, could still enter Parliament as the 'best loser'.
to silence critics i suppose. non constituency MPs do not have a support base and therefore do not constitute a threat.
All Singaporeans are free to voice their opinions and form associations and, indeed, are encouraged to engage actively in politics if they feel so inclined.
yeah right, to the extent of providing a speakers corner that nobody goes to.
However, we all have to play by the same rules and be held accountable for our words and actions.
same rules? more like your rules isn't it? under which one side has always been penalised heavily while the other side enjoys total protection.
Mr Cai could even consider putting these ideas to the people by contesting in the forthcoming elections himself. After all, this is a democracy.
but the contests are hardly fair and going against the political regime often means being hounded and ruining one's own life, something that would put off even the most convicted of persons. after all, this is only democracy. -
Lwflee's official response to Irene:
DIAM LAH-! Don't make me go over to tampenis to open a can of whoopass! Silly bint...!
Singapore takes its politics seriously? Do NOT Bullshit me little lady. Or I WILL open the aforementioned can of whoop ass. Politics is taken decidedly NOT seriously. Else, the PM would not be the son of the MM.
Silly woman you... Politics is everything. From the price of Char Kway Tiao to the Legislative decisions made in parliament. In SIngapore, politics has been made the reserve of the rich, and/or of the connected. That is not taking politics seriously.
Again, ZIP UP or face my wrath! -
She is a malaysian isn't it? I wonder if she really care for singaporean or care for her pocket...
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She is a Sinagporean already lah. If you to know more about her profile visitOriginally posted by Anti-RuleSS:She is a malaysian isn't it? I wonder if she really care for singaporean or care for her pocket...
http://www.parliament.gov.sg/AboutUs/Org-MP-currentMP-CV-60.htm -
Originally posted by king108:
she was the one who asked sylvia about her vision, u dont compare then how, u know which one is good, which one is worth voting for, then u tell me u dont compare, how to vote PAP or WP, blindly cross the ballot [paper, very nonsencecical of u
[b]Please don't compare. I can't see what she had to compare with honestly.
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now she is an MP, so she wants to show to the cabinet that she is an able person, and she can climb up to become a minister when u foo yishun retireOriginally posted by Anti-RuleSS:She is a malaysian isn't it? I wonder if she really care for singaporean or care for her pocket... -
Originally posted by t_a_s: My meaning is this idea of comparing her with Sylvia had never even cross my mind.
Yet, you still held her so high up...sighed. -
she is trying to score points!Originally posted by BillyBong:The sweeping and general response from Irene Ng prompts only more speculation that the well-rehearsed answer was probably not provided from the personal conscience, but from a well-oiled machine intent on providing the same propaganda it has sprouted for years and labasting any who dare to speak up or criticise high-handed actions, less the rounding up and shooting of dissidents (in jest only).
If Ms Irene Ng truly believes what she says, then she is either blindly rejecting reality or fiercely holding on to what's left of a crumbling mentality.
The last paragraph of challenging David Cai to contesting elections was simply a loser's tactic, when one cannot compete intellectually, they wave their political trump card to brush your comments aside. -
I did not bother to check on Irene Ng.
I have this habit of grabbing something to read when I do my business in the toilet. Just now just finished reading yesterday's Straits Time's interview with Grace Fu. I suddenly developed a stubborn constipation as I finish reading it.
Grace Chua is just like another fresh clone from the government mill
Frankly and without prejudice, my basic instinct tells me not to like her.
No, it's not her face or what, its simply her arrogance and her stand towards our local politics that bothers me alot.