What if LKY dies?
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Another type of money would be used.Originally posted by hisoka:imagine he set the law that his pay continue to be paid to him even when he is dead
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Singapore's President is like backup. If PM is corrupted, President got power to remove him and rule temporary. During this period, elections for new PM will be coming up. After that, President can relax again.
no actually the president is just there as wayang and as another puppet in the hands of the ruling party/person -
LKY once said that if he being lowered into his grave and he sense something is wrong, he will get up ...
Resurrection! The Chosen One has stood up again!
When LKY passes on, I do not think there would be drastic shifts to PAP policy, because the cabinet are full of his people and allies, they will support LHL, who will be aided by senior ministers like GCT, and maybe later Teo Chee Hean etc. Unless LHL makes a huge political mistake somewhere, and he can't handle a gathering storm like LKY handled SIA.
But I think certain policies in Singapore might change faster, the society might open up faster. Maybe I can expect more streets, buildings, institutes to be named after LKY. Who knows if they will build a grand memorial hall like the Chiang Kai Shek one in Taipei? They build an equivilant of Mount Li for him, thousands of terrocota PAP members at virgil... They will build a grand museum, will historical relics, to trace the epic events from 1955-1965. -
i bet we will have a few days of holiday(mourning).
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Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
Singapore's President acting like "backup" ?
Singapore's President is like backup. If PM is corrupted, President got power to remove him and rule temporary. During this period, elections for new PM will be coming up. After that, President can relax again.
President got power to remove the PM and rule temporarily ?
The Singapore President will be lucky if he is not backed up against the wall by the Prime Minister, let alone trying to dream of having any executive powers to remove a corrupt Prime Minister.
When the Singapore President has little or zero Executive Powers - and cannot even ask for the accounts of the Singapore National Reserves to find out the size of the Reserves which the President is supposed to be guarding with his Second Key - the Singapore President is no better than he previously was acting as a Ceremonial Head of State instead of being an Elected President with some limited powers to be a guardian to our Reserves.
After the incredible act of the late President Ong Teng Cheong - in challenging the Government of PM GCT for the full accounting of the Singapore Reserves - the Elected President legislation was amended to curtail his already limited powers, making him totally ineffective to challenge the Elected Government.
That was the last time we saw an Elected President questioning the work of an Elected Government. -
U think the ministers are paid peanuts for nothing?
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I don't know if the laws have changed. According to my books, the President is part of the Executive under the Singapore Government. The other two are Legislature and Judiciary.Originally posted by Atobe:Singapore's President acting like "backup" ?
President got power to remove the PM and rule temporarily ?
The Singapore President will be lucky if he is not backed up against the wall by the Prime Minister, let alone trying to dream of having any executive powers to remove a corrupt Prime Minister.
When the Singapore President has little or zero Executive Powers - and cannot even ask for the accounts of the Singapore National Reserves to find out the size of the Reserves which the President is supposed to be guarding with his Second Key - the Singapore President is no better than he previously was acting as a Ceremonial Head of State instead of being an Elected President with some limited powers to be a guardian to our Reserves.
After the incredible act of the late President Ong Teng Cheong - in challenging the Government of PM GCT for the full accounting of the Singapore Reserves - the Elected President legislation was amended to curtail his already limited powers, making him totally ineffective to challenge the Elected Government.
That was the last time we saw an Elected President questioning the work of an Elected Government.
The President has the power to safeguard the financial reserves of our country. But whether this translate to asking for our national accounts I don't know. He also have the power to permit investigations of corruptions.
According to this website, http://www.istana.gov.sg/cpa.html, he can veto after consulting the panel. That's pretty limited in way, but he can still do so. -
Ours is not a presidential system...the head of the Execcutive branch is the Prime Minister, not the President. Since the President is considered part of the Executive, he cannot overrule the PM.Originally posted by Atobe:Singapore's President acting like "backup" ?
President got power to remove the PM and rule temporarily ?
The Singapore President will be lucky if he is not backed up against the wall by the Prime Minister, let alone trying to dream of having any executive powers to remove a corrupt Prime Minister.
When the Singapore President has little or zero Executive Powers - and cannot even ask for the accounts of the Singapore National Reserves to find out the size of the Reserves which the President is supposed to be guarding with his Second Key - the Singapore President is no better than he previously was acting as a Ceremonial Head of State instead of being an Elected President with some limited powers to be a guardian to our Reserves.
After the incredible act of the late President Ong Teng Cheong - in challenging the Government of PM GCT for the full accounting of the Singapore Reserves - the Elected President legislation was amended to curtail his already limited powers, making him totally ineffective to challenge the Elected Government.
That was the last time we saw an Elected President questioning the work of an Elected Government.
I think the government has a change of mind after Ong Teng Cheong, who considered his role as independent of the Executive in matters touching on his Presidential mandate. The government probably did not think it through carefully enough as to the implications if a President should challenge the cabinet on political decisions regarding the national reserves. Now that they know the possible impact, they are trying to backtrack. They probably wish they had never thought of an elected president in the first place. -
watever it is. they betr make sure they make it a public holiday
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Well, please expect wonderful explanations such as : Look ! he had done so much and these pay is really "peanuts" for his entire life contributions for enabling you and me to understand English in writing SgForum with great pleasures.Originally posted by hisoka:imagine he set the law that his pay continue to be paid to him even when he is dead -
He can't overule, but he can veto. PAP introduced a system called CPA, and the President has to consult them in order to veto. If the members in the CPA don't agree with the President, things will still be done as the PM deems fit.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Ours is not a presidential system...the head of the Execcutive branch is the Prime Minister, not the President. Since the President is considered part of the Executive, he cannot overrule the PM.
I think the government has a change of mind after Ong Teng Cheong, who considered his role as independent of the Executive in matters touching on his Presidential mandate. The government probably did not think it through carefully enough as to the implications if a President should challenge the cabinet on political decisions regarding the national reserves. Now that they know the possible impact, they are trying to backtrack. They probably wish they had never thought of an elected president in the first place. -
He will be too busy contesting GRC of the Yin country and repeating the old tactic of wiping crocodiles tears with his white handkerchief, later shouting madeka !Originally posted by mistyblue:he's continuing his work in the 'Ying' Country and use dreams to tell his Son what to do????
Forgeting they don't speak that bahasa, the son keep dreaming who is he marrying next if this existing one Jumps down with the recent investments. -
An interesting point to ponder. My guess is that Singapore will lose its competitiveness and one upmanship. The man with the whip will be gone and no replacement capable enough to wield the whip.
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i'm sure the state burial will be very grand and never in our lifetime we see such a grand funeral
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Although some may feel that we are victims of his legacy of harsh laws, some tough rules and difficult decisions must be made to ensure continuity and prosperity.
The improvement of S'pore from 1965 till today is obvious and most credits were attributed to his capabilities and foresight. We are regarded as an economic powerhouse in our region although we do not have any natural resources. We enjoy may things our neighbours were envious of. He will go down in history as the "Father of Modern Singapore".
Give the man the due credit he deserved. It will be a great loss if he leaves. Now that he's still around, I wished him health and longevity.
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frankly i prefer him to GCT... at the very least, he calls a spade a spade and doesn't try to delude anyone with PR talk....
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1 min of slient lo
then we get to go in n see him lo..
but i guess..most pple here wont
then..life goes on without LKY..
sun still up there..water still flow..
maybe got holiday also.. -
Very very smart talking, life goes on with or without him around.
I mean there are many asian countries without a LKY and they are doing even better than us.
You can give him credit if you like, but please dont overrate his importance. -
i would say he did well initially i suppose but he didn't do well after that so to hell with him now lorOriginally posted by Shenanigan:Although some may feel that we are victims of his legacy of harsh laws, some tough rules and difficult decisions must be made to ensure continuity and prosperity.
The improvement of S'pore from 1965 till today is obvious and most credits were attributed to his capabilities and foresight. We are regarded as an economic powerhouse in our region although we do not have any natural resources. We enjoy may things our neighbours were envious of. He will go down in history as the "Father of Modern Singapore".
Give the man the due credit he deserved. It will be a great loss if he leaves. Now that he's still around, I wished him health and longevity. -
Actually I dislike to see this kind of headline, sadden me
"Tai Ka Li See"..."Chow"
Hotels will be flooded with ten of thousand foreign visitors and politicians, etc. All related services will be all engaged..from bell boy to securities etc...
Flourist shop, banners, restaurants related business will bloom for the few days..Advertisement will also get lots of businesses..
At least US$3B business on retail and services only will changed hands within the week.
"Tai ka Fa Chow"
So don't say bad things about him, even he is no with us, he still care to bring us wealth. Definitely will bring my father to see him for the last time..and remember for the rest of our life.. -
And medical fees!Originally posted by Qing^.^:the govt will save a lot of money from paying his wages -
Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:
I don't know if the laws have changed. According to my books, the President is part of the Executive under the Singapore Government. The other two are Legislature and Judiciary.
The President has the power to safeguard the financial reserves of our country. But whether this translate to asking for our national accounts I don't know. He also have the power to permit investigations of corruptions.
According to this website, http://www.istana.gov.sg/cpa.html, he can veto after consulting the panel. That's pretty limited in way, but he can still do so.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
From an extract of a Government material, the Office of the Elected Presidency was described as follows:-
Ours is not a presidential system...the head of the Execcutive branch is the Prime Minister, not the President. Since the President is considered part of the Executive, he cannot overrule the PM.
I think the government has a change of mind after Ong Teng Cheong, who considered his role as independent of the Executive in matters touching on his Presidential mandate. The government probably did not think it through carefully enough as to the implications if a President should challenge the cabinet on political decisions regarding the national reserves. Now that they know the possible impact, they are trying to backtrack. They probably wish they had never thought of an elected president in the first place.
In January 1991, the Constitution was amended to allow for the election of a President by the citizens of Singapore. The elected President will hold office for a fixed term of six years. The creation of the elected presidency is a major constitutional and political change in Singapore's history.
Under the revision, the President is empowered to veto government budgets and appointments to public office. He can also examine the Government's exercise of its powers under the Internal Security Act and religious harmony laws, and in investigations into cases of corruption. The President must, however, consult the Council of Presidential Advisers before he takes a decision on some of these matters
This highlighted sentence - in red - clearly shows the authority and duty of the Office of the Elected President over that of the Government as intended and legislated into Law by the Ruling Political Party.
Unfortunately, the irony of having the Office of the Elected Presidency is that it is made impotent by the mere fact that the Elected President has to consult his Council of Presidential Advisers before making any decisions.
The Council of Presidential Advisers comprises six members, of whom two are appointed by the President at his discretion, two are the Prime Minister's nominees, one is the Chief Justice's nominee and the sixth, the nominee of the Chairman of the Public Service Commission.
With both appointments to the Chief Justice and Chairman of the Public Service Commission being selected and recommended by the Prime Minister, can their selection of their candidate be independent from the Prime Minister's influence ?
With the Advisory Council largely in the hands of the Ruling Political Party that form the Government of the day - can the President have any space to perform the duties that is expected of him to check any abuses and corruption by his Government ?
This is the typical charade that the Ruling Political Party has constantly shown to preserve its own controlling position over the Political Life of Singapore. -
thats a definite.. and he can donate his lexus tooOriginally posted by Qing^.^:the govt will save a lot of money from paying his wages -
I agreed he is strict but without him, Spore cannot be successful.Originally posted by Shenanigan:Although some may feel that we are victims of his legacy of harsh laws, some tough rules and difficult decisions must be made to ensure continuity and prosperity.
The improvement of S'pore from 1965 till today is obvious and most credits were attributed to his capabilities and foresight. We are regarded as an economic powerhouse in our region although we do not have any natural resources. We enjoy may things our neighbours were envious of. He will go down in history as the "Father of Modern Singapore".
Give the man the due credit he deserved. It will be a great loss if he leaves. Now that he's still around, I wished him health and longevity. -
If he dies, I'll just keep his books for another 20 years then auction them.
Hopefully I get his signatures first...