Dr Ng Eng Hen 'dodged' the question on NS Dodgers....
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Stiffer penalties for NS dodgers
Reference to the below question from Dr Ong Jit Chung:However, Jurong GRC MP Ong Chit Chung said that the move to stiffen the penalties “fails to answer or provide the solution to the question why Singaporeans abscond from NS”.
To which Dr Ng answered:
In response, Dr Ng said: “Each time we have to impose the penalty, it’s our failure to convince everyone on their part in National Service. We have to make those two years that we put our sons through worthwhile. When we have reached the point where every family says ‘I understand why NS is needed and I’m proud to do it’, I think we’re getting there.”
So conversely, is Dr Ng claiming the viewpoint of "hey my (anyone's) sons did NS, so should yours. And we'll drill this bullocks concept into your head till you finally 'understand' and are proud of NS"???
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Maybe his point was that, no amount of punishment will solve the problem. The only true solution lies in the mindset of the people.
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The utimate punishment is not ask people to pay fines. It's to ask them to pay with their time.
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If that's true, why bother to increase the fine since he himself admitted that it's our FAILURE (the govt's) to inculcate the concept of NS into families?Originally posted by shade343:Maybe his point was that, no amount of punishment will solve the problem. The only true solution lies in the mindset of the people.
If not, why stop at 10K? Someone's going to say that ain't enough either...might as well revise the figure to 1 mil and turn it into a real deterent.
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But its the people who wanted to see the fines go up and jail term doubled. Not him.Originally posted by BillyBong:If that's true, why bother to increase the fine since he himself admitted that it's our FAILURE (the govt's) to inculcate the concept of NS into families?
If not, why stop at 10K? Someone's going to say that ain't enough either...might as well revise the figure to 1 mil and turn it into a real deterent. -
Originally posted by shade343:
Yes, it is "the people who wanted to see the fines go up and jail term doubled. Not him."
But its the people who wanted to see the fines go up and jail term doubled. Not him.
Unfortunately, he is NOT PREPARED to up the ante against draft dodgers, and is helpless in convincing Singaporean Families that National Service is NOBLE.
What does that speak of the leadership of the self-congratulating Elites from the Ruling Political Party aka the present Government ?
After FORTY YEARS of Nation Building through the domination of POWER OF ONE, has it resulted in Singapore being recognised or declared as the home of Singaporeans that is worth the sacrifice of TWO YEARS of our Youth ?
Why is it that after FORTY YEARS, the debate still rages about National Service and the continued draft dodging ?
It simply shows FAILURE on the part of the Ruling Political Party in instilling a sense of hope and a stake in this island belonging to us.
It is unfortunate that after FORTY YEARS of continued rule by the POWER OF ONE, the Youths of Yesterday and Today see Singapore as belonging to the POWER OF ONE - in which we have little to contribute, inpotent to influence, and helplessly subjected to the outcome of any decision that affect US. -
A sense of identity certainly helps but does not take away the financial sacrifice and opportunity costs in national Service...and that is true in many other nations with compulsory national service as well. Unless we are prepared to pay more (through income tax) to have a purely professional army, we will need stringent and even draconian laws to deter those who would dodge NS.
Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us. -
If you read the opening post by BillyBong, you will note that the Second Defense Minister is botching in any attempt to raise the threshold of pain towards draft dodgers.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:A sense of identity certainly helps but does not take away the financial sacrifice and opportunity costs in national Service...and that is true in many other nations with compulsory national service as well. Unless we are prepared to pay more (through income tax) to have a purely professional army, we will need stringent and even draconian laws to deter those who would dodge NS.
Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us.
Has "the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us" ?
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yea sure, as tho u represent "majority of singaporeans"Originally posted by oxford mushroom:A sense of identity certainly helps but does not take away the financial sacrifice and opportunity costs in national Service...and that is true in many other nations with compulsory national service as well. Unless we are prepared to pay more (through income tax) to have a purely professional army, we will need stringent and even draconian laws to deter those who would dodge NS.
Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us.
so how come they only listen to "majority of singaporeans" on this issue only, and totally disregard what people are saying about other issues?
oh this is when u claim that people are contented and have no "other issues" right?
i wonder if u realise how obnoxious and "chou pi" u sound when u keep saying self-delusional bullshit like : "Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us."
I can just imagine your high pitched, whiney ass-kissing voice when u say that -
don't bother with that guy. Govt dogs often say rubbish like that. Like i said, sound very "chou pi" but they don't realise that.Originally posted by Atobe:If you read the opening post by BillyBong, you will note that the Second Defense Minister is botching in any attempt to raise the threshold of pain towards draft dodgers.
Has "the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us" ?
Could it be that some 'White Horses' has turned rouge and galloped away from the Singapore Coral ?
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Ha ha...here comes the anencephalic HENG spouting his insults again....go back to whichever sewer you have crawled out from since you have nothing constructive to offer..Originally posted by HENG@:I can just imagine your high pitched, whiney ass-kissing voice when u say that
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im sure u have "a lot" to contribute, saying your little "chou pi" things like "the govt listens to majority of us blah blah blah"Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Ha ha...here comes the anencephalic HENG spouting his insults again....go back to whichever sewer you have crawled out from since you have nothing constructive to offer..
just how obnoxious one has to be to say a thing like this "Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us."
not only can the govt dog blandly speak the untruth as though it was true, he can even praise himself while he's at it. wow. how thick skinned.
you're an insult to democracy, govt dog. U can't even act well. "ohhhh the govt listens to ussssss" please, u really think that is convincing? If the govt did listen to u about the NS defaulters, then i guess singapore has really just shot itself twice in the head hasn't it?
Its no wonder people like u can thrive in sg. One has to be shameless, talentless, totally gutless and dishonourable, like u, to survive in Sg. Go back and tell your masters there are some people out there who know the truth, however much they try to send their dogs like u out to cover it up -
oxford mushroom was once featured in the newspaper. I dont recall seeing HENG@ though....
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not so thick skinned like him to go lie openly in the newspapers leh.Originally posted by shade343:oxford mushroom was once featured in the newspaper. I dont recall seeing HENG@ though....
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HENG@ do be mindful of your language when posting. Everybody is entitled to their views. There is no need to resort to personal attacks.Originally posted by HENG@:yea sure, as tho u represent "majority of singaporeans"
so how come they only listen to "majority of singaporeans" on this issue only, and totally disregard what people are saying about other issues?
oh this is when u claim that people are contented and have no "other issues" right?
i wonder if u realise how obnoxious and "chou pi" u sound when u keep saying self-delusional bullshit like : "Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us."
I can just imagine your high pitched, whiney ass-kissing voice when u say that -
everybody might be entitled, but i sure as hell doesn't need someone to tell me he is representing us when he is not. Just how self-effacing is that obnoxious line? u tell me. He's not the one whose friend died as a result of some white horses's fun going overboard, and sure as hell he didn't have a friend's murderers protected by a govt cover-up. Yet he comes into my face and talks shit? oh please. if the govt has already covered it up, how would my bringing the evidence out into the open do anything, other than do me harm? and yet thats what he comes here to say, knowing full well that its something i cannot do, because i have to protect not just me, but my sources.Originally posted by greengoblin:HENG@ do be mindful of your language when posting. Everybody is entitled to their views. There is no need to resort to personal attacks.
And he sits there on his high haughty ass saying things like, "oh the govt listens to me, us the people!" as though he IS the people. how convining. the gall of people like these to even come here with their thick skin and say things like that. entitled? if we're entitled to our own views how come he needs to come here and sing praises about him and his masters? -
Eh? Under what context?Originally posted by shade343:oxford mushroom was once featured in the newspaper. I dont recall seeing HENG@ though....
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Which article stated majority of Sporean supported stricted regulation for NS dodgers?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:A sense of identity certainly helps but does not take away the financial sacrifice and opportunity costs in national Service...and that is true in many other nations with compulsory national service as well. Unless we are prepared to pay more (through income tax) to have a purely professional army, we will need stringent and even draconian laws to deter those who would dodge NS.
Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us. -
When you want to serve NS for the country with a sense of nobriety, you will need great ministerial leadership where one cannot tell the difference between a pianist and a beng.
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Minus the timing for NS from 2 years to 8 mths and ban reservist permanently!
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Yeah, it's a mighty no-brainer to increase fines and tweak some legislation without asking themselves the tough question, like e.gOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:A sense of identity certainly helps but does not take away the financial sacrifice and opportunity costs in national Service...and that is true in many other nations with compulsory national service as well. Unless we are prepared to pay more (through income tax) to have a purely professional army, we will need stringent and even draconian laws to deter those who would dodge NS.
Yes, majority of Singaporeans support more stringent laws against NS dodgers and the ruling party has done well in this regard to listen to us.
"What have we done to this nation that the youth would disassociate themselves from serving their nation and parents find it worthwhile to spend money and place their sons' status on untenable ground?"
This I expect our ministers and policymakers to ponder and ponder hard.Ask themselves if it's not tied into a multiplicity of issues.C'mon, we were not born yesterday.Solving a problem that you assume is held in a vacuum is wishing someone would clean the baby's vomit.
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If male citizens are not to lose out on their career path, NS period should be shorter as short as possible. Female citizens actually are now equal to male citizens in terms of jobs, pays and benefits. Woman charter is even more tilted in favor of female. So Female should do NS and their career path be put on par with male citizens.Originally posted by Anti-RuleSS:Minus the timing for NS from 2 years to 8 mths and ban reservist permanently!
If government ministers cannot understand this aspiration, they will lose the confidence of male citizens in the coming election. -
guys pls tone down. lets all have a nice good chat without any flame wars...otherwise heads will roll.
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I suggest 1 billion. I dont remember there is any billion air in sporeOriginally posted by BillyBong:If that's true, why bother to increase the fine since he himself admitted that it's our FAILURE (the govt's) to inculcate the concept of NS into families?
If not, why stop at 10K? Someone's going to say that ain't enough either...might as well revise the figure to 1 mil and turn it into a real deterent. -
U see it as taking 2 yr out of when u are 20. ppl see it as losing 2 yr to make money that also means that the opportunity to be rich is miss by 2yr. Assuming that a graduate earn 2k per month. he earns 24k a year and 48k in two yr. That is excluding the non countable like the ability for promotion. The sum in which the gov give is much less that that. Plus the time taken for reservist how much do u think u lost?Originally posted by Parka: The utimate punishment is not ask people to pay fines. It's to ask them to pay with their time.
Time's cheap when you're young.