Were the young rude to MM?
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i think if MM didn't think abt the youths, he wouldn't accept the offer to come on national TV to have this talk with them and most of them btw are professionals in the media or graduates/undergraduates which IMHO should have a better bearing and manners in asking probing questions.Originally posted by the Bear:so, being "founding father" gives him a right to be arrogant, to be rude, to be dismissive, to not give a damn about the youth?
since when did the country become his slaves?
a leader is and always MUST BE, a servant to his flock... and the higher you are, the more you own a duty to those whom you lead..
seems like he's lost sight of that... -
there're always 2 sides to a story.Originally posted by the Bear:one more thing to add..
at my workplace, when my officers are right, and the member of the public is wrong but still very buey kam guan.... they will make a complaint...
guess what?
"your officer very rude"
when they fail in trying to be right with the facts, they will resort to personal attacks like that..
"were the young rude to MM?" or... "you young whippersnappers very rude" -
aren't that considered rude?Originally posted by the Bear:when no one wants to buy your product, you go check your product...
you do not cram it down the throats of your customers..
maybe lau lee thinks he can because he:
a) has become divorced from reality
b) thinks he's better than anyone else
c) thinks he's earned that right coz he's "the founding father"
d) thinks he's right no matter how right or wrong he is
e) all of the above
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That is considered as an honest opinion.... if he wants blind respect... go back to party HQ
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Originally posted by robertteh:Yes all of us like Lazerlord, Atobe, ...(many more) will make a good panel to de-salmanise MM Lee on a panel on TV with no hold barred. i wanna watch..tok kong debate 4 sure
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No politician serves himself for dinner on a plate.Originally posted by tiggersgd:i think if MM didn't think abt the youths, he wouldn't accept the offer to come on national TV to have this talk with them and most of them btw are professionals in the media or graduates/undergraduates which IMHO should have a better bearing and manners in asking probing questions.
All politicians have their own agenda; Lee Senior doubtless had his reasons for offering himself at a forum. Whether it was to get a feel of the under-30 educated class or to drive home the message that voting for PAP is essential, it doesn't matter.
It's simply naive to think someone as experienced as MM Lee would 'accept the offer to come on national TV to have this talk' because he felt obliged to do so.
And as far as comments go, the best people can do is stay objective. There will always be those who side with the critics and those who insist that the forum was fair and respectful.
Only conservatives would enshrine MM Lee to such an extent that to ask any tough question would be viewed as a sign of blatant disrespect. -
I find it funny when people tell me that we ought to be grateful to SM Lee for leading us to independence.
Of course we're thankful, he's a smart man, he did good work back then. But how long are we supposed to give thanks for? And does being grateful mean we should be blindly obedient even when policies made post independence may be flawed? -
Read the ST forum replies for past few days and most of them say the youths are rude....hmm....
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MM going to use this situation to enact a new rule.. Compulsory MORAL studies till 25 and disrespectfulness to old ones will get the rotan or 10 yrs in Jail. he he
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Note that they are mostly (if not all) from the >40 year age group.Originally posted by deathscythe99:Read the ST forum replies for past few days and most of them say the youths are rude....hmm....
It's a pity they think that way. Likewise, i think their articles amount to bootlicking. (no offence literally)
Ms Tan Bee Lan is the perfect example. Her article (ST forum 19 Apr) goes round and round and spends more time singing the praises of MM Lee and his past exploits rather than address the 'rudeness' of the youths itself and why she interpreted their actions as such. -
Someone write to refute her?Originally posted by BillyBong:Note that they are mostly (if not all) from the >40 year age group.
It's a pity they think that way. Likewise, i think their articles amount to bootlicking. (no offence literally)
Ms Tan Bee Lan is the perfect example. Her article (ST forum 19 Apr) goes round and round and spends more time singing the praises of MM Lee and his past exploits rather than address the 'rudeness' of the youths itself and why she interpreted their actions as such. -
Precisely! It's all about the past. When are we done giving thanks?Originally posted by BillyBong:Ms Tan Bee Lan is the perfect example. Her article (ST forum 19 Apr) goes round and round and spends more time singing the praises of MM Lee and his past exploits rather than address the 'rudeness' of the youths itself and why she interpreted their actions as such.
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Should set a Thanksgiving day to LKY. So it'll be only one day which we give thanks, thereafter....we'll whack him again.Originally posted by choco B:Precisely! It's all about the past. When are we done giving thanks?
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X 2. If interrupting a person conversation halfway ain't rude then I wonder what else have the others involved in the dialogue done to deserve being called 'rude'Originally posted by FireIce:i think the rude one is the old man himself
interrupt the question, insist on saying his own things
btw, pls cont in the existing thread on the talk
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NAY... PLS be RESPECTFUL... We should have a THANKSGIVING DAY for LKY and we should make it ANNUALLY!!Originally posted by M©+square:Should set a Thanksgiving day to LKY. So it'll be only one day which we give thanks, thereafter....we'll whack him again.
But just MAKE SURE that it's a PUBLIC HOLIDAY OKIE...?? v -
Of cos it'll be annual Thanksgiving and definitely a Public Holiday!!!!Originally posted by Devil1976:NAY... PLS be RESPECTFUL... We should have a THANKSGIVING DAY for LKY and we should make it ANNUALLY!!
But just MAKE SURE that it's a PUBLIC HOLIDAY OKIE...?? v
Anyone going to suggest? -
pls add the fact that they actually screen through the posts and publish what they want to......Originally posted by BillyBong:Note that they are mostly (if not all) from the >40 year age group.
It's a pity they think that way. Likewise, i think their articles amount to bootlicking. (no offence literally)
Ms Tan Bee Lan is the perfect example. Her article (ST forum 19 Apr) goes round and round and spends more time singing the praises of MM Lee and his past exploits rather than address the 'rudeness' of the youths itself and why she interpreted their actions as such. -
looks like the 10 chaps got backfired. according to the ST today, they were told to be bold and have a no hold barred questions and answers dialogue. ended up with ppls accusing them of ill mannered.
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conclusion : declare a public holiday in respect for MM
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My sentiments exactly...Originally posted by M©+square:You should watch the whole dialogue. Then you will realise MM was domineering the whole conversation. He thought he knew what they were saying and cut them halfway, and ended up that the youth's questions weren't answered.
The common argument tactics... paused and wait for the opponent to respond, cut them off but telling them to "let me finished..". I did not do a count, but it is definitely more than 10 times. -
Barristers are the most horrible lot.
As MM Lee is a practitioner of the law, he basically cuts in, shoots, and dissect the young ones with all his experience as a lawyer, a solicitor, a barrister, the wrong words, phrases used.
The young attempts to question without basis and the old one puts them to the blade.
Felt like a courtroom battle with no judge running it.
Did MM Lee gave the young ones enough time to put forward statements to strengthen their stand? Did the young ones give MM Lee ample time to reflect before dropping another question?
Er.. both sides ought to be hung and shot. They both treated each other with contempt. The young ones too eager to just make the MM kick the bucket, the old one trying to make the young ones foolish. -
From my viewpoint, when it comes to dialogue, forum, debate, 1-on-1, etc, the young sure talks crudely and lacks the decorum and class the old has.
Can't imagine young unpolished chaps called to run the government. -
hMz...dun think they're rude to MM...but i can see that they're very yayapapaya...think they're very good at challenging MM (someone who's the founder & leader of spore)....
haiz....throw them in a court room n you'll know what our MM can do to them...questions n debating with no mercy...
They're lucky that the show is on TV.. -
Rude ? No Sir !Originally posted by dcx:hMz...dun think they're rude to MM...but i can see that they're very yayapapaya...think they're very good at challenging MM (someone who's the founder & leader of spore)....
haiz....throw them in a court room n you'll know what our MM can do to them...questions n debating with no mercy...
They're lucky that the show is on TV..
I think they're the group of Singapore Youth that I will respect for the rest of my life in Singapore.
Thank god they're really brave to face LKY and letting him know "Why don't let the Voters Decide ?" -
Originally posted by SG,LauBaiXing:Rude ? No Sir !
I think they're the group of Singapore Youth that I will respect for the rest of my life in Singapore.
Thank god they're really brave to face LKY and letting him know "Why don't let the Voters Decide ?"