Were the young rude to MM?
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Only the over sixty will tell you that. In the sixties, to early 70's PAP was a good party and then when Lau Lee became sole dictator after Raja, Goh Keng Swee and the founders left...Originally posted by dragg:you know what the older generation will tell you?
the younger generation has never tasted hardship. thats why they are not afraid to say and do things as they like.
money became the sole concern and the way to get more money was to exploit the people.... take away all their money or at least as much as possible through their housing and car and health policies so they will work like dogs or they will suffer...
in a situation like this where if you work and you only "eat not full; hungry not starve" you cannot don't work and the minute you fall lang term sick it becomes a double blow and it is better to die then to fall sick... in Lau Lee's Singapore. -
You will be surprised man!
I know of early 30s people who give me that "Grateful" spiel
All I can conclude is that there are alot of loyal, grateful people out there -
propaganda.... their minds are so narrow and lack of imagination, they cannot see any other worldview... these are the people who are exploited the most... some, in fact many smart ones i know have their feet in 2 countries or more... this way they have all the benefits of being a Singaporean without all the exploitation....Originally posted by choco B:You will be surprised man!
I know of early 30s people who give me that "Grateful" spiel
All I can conclude is that there are alot of loyal, grateful people out there -
Singaporean lived in FEAR.
Singaporean acted with FEAR.
Singaporean Become FEAR.
Singaporeans have seasoned themselves so much that they themselves have to try to be a judge of the people themselves.
Either the people that started the rude issues are lackeys or they have lived to idolise a certain old figure.
With the present type of narrow minded thinking, Lee Ao is right in saying SIngaporeans are STUPID. -
Who? How many people? Where? Name them!... or you'll be paying your legal fees with your kidneys - MMOriginally posted by Medicated Oil:Singaporean lived in FEAR.
Singaporean acted with FEAR.
Singaporean Become FEAR.
Singaporeans have seasoned themselves so much that they themselves have to try to be a judge of the people themselves.
Either the people that started the rude issues are lackeys or they have lived to idolise a certain old figure.
With the present type of narrow minded thinking, Lee Ao is right in saying SIngaporeans are STUPID. -
bah.. democratic? freedom of speech? , dont see this in years to come
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Have you visited Sri Lanka? They were more advanced than Singapore when we became independent. Are their people better off than we are now?Originally posted by casino_king:Only the over sixty will tell you that. In the sixties, to early 70's PAP was a good party and then when Lau Lee became sole dictator after Raja, Goh Keng Swee and the founders left...
money became the sole concern and the way to get more money was to exploit the people.... take away all their money or at least as much as possible through their housing and car and health policies so they will work like dogs or they will suffer...
in a situation like this where if you work and you only "eat not full; hungry not starve" you cannot don't work and the minute you fall lang term sick it becomes a double blow and it is better to die then to fall sick... in Lau Lee's Singapore. -
ST Forum On-line
April 22, 2006
Criticisms of young participants at MM Lee's dialogue are unfair. Don't we want forward-thinking, inquisitive minds?
I am shocked at the way many readers reacted towards the forum "Why my vote matters" featuring a panel of young Singaporeans and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
Criticisms of young participants at MM Lee's dialogue are unfair. Don't we want forward-thinking, inquisitive minds?
The harsh criticisms levelled at the ten young participants have gone out of hand. Yes, perhaps they seemed somewhat overly-enthusiastic in the manner in which they questioned MM Lee, but I thought this is what the government wants of the young generation of Singaporeans - to be forward-thinking and inquisitive minds.
At school, we are taught to speak up in class, to constantly ask intelligent questions and not just blindly follow what we are being taught. If this is what the Ministry of Education wants to inculcate in the future leaders of Singapore, why dampen the challenging spirits of the young participants of the forum?
The way several fuming readers relentlessly knocked at the young participants made me feel rather obfuscated. It is ironic how the older generation of Singaporeans constantly lament that youths today are ignoramuses when it comes to politics, yet they become incensed when we show our utmost concern on the political issues of our country.
Even if some people feel that the young Singaporeans were disrespectful to MM Lee in the forum, I believe that everyone has his own views. Perhaps we should all try to respect each other's opinions.
Maybe Singapore isn't ready for such a provocative forum, but I think that the ten participants have performed well with much courage, and none of them should be sorry for anything they have said in the forum.
Ms Sim Shin Wei -
I perfectly agree with him; when I read other people slamming those youths, I feel abit angry too. Not that I'd go and slam anyone back..Originally posted by LinYu:ST Forum On-line
April 22, 2006
Criticisms of young participants at MM Lee's dialogue are unfair. Don't we want forward-thinking, inquisitive minds?
I am shocked at the way many readers reacted towards the forum "Why my vote matters" featuring a panel of young Singaporeans and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
Criticisms of young participants at MM Lee's dialogue are unfair. Don't we want forward-thinking, inquisitive minds?
The harsh criticisms levelled at the ten young participants have gone out of hand. Yes, perhaps they seemed somewhat overly-enthusiastic in the manner in which they questioned MM Lee, but I thought this is what the government wants of the young generation of Singaporeans - to be forward-thinking and inquisitive minds.
At school, we are taught to speak up in class, to constantly ask intelligent questions and not just blindly follow what we are being taught. If this is what the Ministry of Education wants to inculcate in the future leaders of Singapore, why dampen the challenging spirits of the young participants of the forum?
The way several fuming readers relentlessly knocked at the young participants made me feel rather obfuscated. It is ironic how the older generation of Singaporeans constantly lament that youths today are ignoramuses when it comes to politics, yet they become incensed when we show our utmost concern on the political issues of our country.
Even if some people feel that the young Singaporeans were disrespectful to MM Lee in the forum, I believe that everyone has his own views. Perhaps we should all try to respect each other's opinions.
Maybe Singapore isn't ready for such a provocative forum, but I think that the ten participants have performed well with much courage, and none of them should be sorry for anything they have said in the forum.
Ms Sim Shin Wei -
These so called narrow minded people could have travelled to many countries esp to backward contries witnessing how tough people live is.Originally posted by casino_king:propaganda.... their minds are so narrow and lack of imagination, they cannot see any other worldview... these are the people who are exploited the most... some, in fact many smart ones i know have their feet in 2 countries or more... this way they have all the benefits of being a Singaporean without all the exploitation....
U been to villages in Indonesia n see how villagers having no access to internet.
Kena sickness only wait to go upstairs. -
their children definitely smile happier than here.Originally posted by will4:These so called narrow minded people could have travelled to many countries esp to backward contries witnessing how tough people live is.
U been to villages in Indonesia n see how villagers having no access to internet.
Kena sickness only wait to go upstairs.
no point comparing apples to orange. -
Fellow will4, Indonesia government never learnt from our government..That why like that. Pay them high high, everything become good good.Originally posted by will4:These so called narrow minded people could have travelled to many countries esp to backward contries witnessing how tough people live is.
U been to villages in Indonesia n see how villagers having no access to internet.
Kena sickness only wait to go upstairs.
Hokien saying " Wealthy never spend, proverty never got enough to spend"
Cannot be wrong..
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Not when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.Originally posted by Ito_^:their children definitely smile happier than here.
no point comparing apples to orange.
On the other hand, if their government does as well as Singapore, where are we going to find our Indonesian maids from? -
no. its smiling happily even when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Not when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.
amazing hor. -
Happy is he who has no passion, no desire and no aspirationsOriginally posted by Ito_^:no. its smiling happily even when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.
amazing hor. -
Precisely correct. Sometimes hearing these young people complained about Spore, not refering to anybody in particular, I wonder if they tasted poverty.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Not when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.
On the other hand, if their government does as well as Singapore, where are we going to find our Indonesian maids from?
I myself as an Indonesian had been staying here, served NS sometimes had many thing to be grateful to Spore.
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Smiling happily during young n as they grow to be adult, not sure happy or notOriginally posted by Ito_^:no. its smiling happily even when they are dying from diarrhoea, with no access to education and a future in this globalised market.
amazing hor.
I used to read many articles on Indonesian migrant workers trying their best not to be deported back into Indonesia. If Indonesia is good, how come many of them tried to sneak into Malaysia to be worker sometimes trying to obtain citizenship.
Spore children got free education until primary school n free makan for poor. -
i just feel we shouldn't compare countries like that..Originally posted by will4:Smiling happily during young n as they grow to be adult, not sure happy or not
I used to read many articles on Indonesian migrant workers trying their best not to be deported back into Indonesia. If Indonesia is good, how come many of them tried to sneak into Malaysia to be worker sometimes trying to obtain citizenship.
Spore children got free education until primary school n free makan for poor. -
I also felt if compare Spore to countries like Korea, Taiwan or HK will be moreOriginally posted by Ito_^:i just feel we shouldn't compare countries like that..
accurate.
In the international education ranking system, Spore students ranked top in maths n science but if u looked at the second is Korea. -
Originally posted by will4:I also felt if compare Spore to countries like Korea, Taiwan or HK will be more
accurate.
In the international education ranking system, Spore students ranked top in maths n science but if u looked at the second is Korea. actually i feel we shouldn't compare at all, but wad the heck.. everyone's doing it. -
well done to the youth. finally they have spoken out what most singaporean are chicken to say. i dont feel they are disrespectful. any citizens has the right to question leaders of the country on policy that affect their lives, country. mind you we are not in china. those who feel we shouldnt challenge lau lee, i am glad you are not there, otherwise it would become another stupid pre-arrange Q&A session.
our parents has been avoiding challenging policy of PAP. and i hope our generation can be difference and do better.
we are not trying to win anything. just wana govt to show respect to the ordinary singaporean everyday not just election day or infront of the camera. -
Remember the 'Penis panic' in the 60s where Singaporean men suffered a mass hysteria about their shrinking ding dong called koro? Perhaps, this fear still persist today but has over the years evolved from the nether regions to the mouth - dumbstruck. So, those who speak their minds freely are struck down as being rude and the prescriptive remedy is to remain dumb and dumber in the eyes of the patriarch. You see, fear permeates all corners of this tiny red dot. As fear is contagious, instead of getting cured, it just passes on. From pigs to politiks to charities. I wonder if this severe mental illness that afflicts a significant number of the population is due to some magnetic interferences (e.g. fengshui) or electrical charges (e.g. lightning bolts that sends freak static charges to the air). What next? cabinful of mrt passengers suffering IBS (irritable bowel symptom) outbreaks during rush hour? Then there will be really be farty outbreaks. Well, stupid is as stupid does, people can still rely on your trusty medicated oil to hammer out the curse
Originally posted by Medicated Oil:Singaporean lived in FEAR.
Singaporean acted with FEAR.
Singaporean Become FEAR.
Singaporeans have seasoned themselves so much that they themselves have to try to be a judge of the people themselves.
Either the people that started the rude issues are lackeys or they have lived to idolise a certain old figure.
With the present type of narrow minded thinking, Lee Ao is right in saying SIngaporeans are STUPID. -
Youngsters want freedom of speech, they are idealists, and they see the world around them full of such cases. They see Taiwan, the US, Phillippines, and Thailand where the opposition are thriving, and they think, hey, we Singapore should have that too.Originally posted by casino_king:propaganda.... their minds are so narrow and lack of imagination, they cannot see any other worldview... these are the people who are exploited the most... some, in fact many smart ones i know have their feet in 2 countries or more... this way they have all the benefits of being a Singaporean without all the exploitation....
It is when u are in ur mid-20s, do u realise that there are much more to that. Paying bills, taking care of families, having a stable job become the more important factors, and the romantic ideas will fade away, giving way to realism. Who is right? Who is wrong? Who is to say? If people feel comfortable with their present government, then let them be. If they are not, just go and do their part, by joining the opposition, and try to make Singapore a better place, or the place they want it to be. -
this is where the root problem arise when politicians would rather prefer their citizens not to care or have a say in politics. Would the first emperor of china wanted the peasants to question his 'wisdom'. Political apathy and the lack of awareness here is a grave concern. It is precisely this mindset the ruling party wants this generation, the next and 4ever generations to have.
So, when one sings the anthems, wave their flags, profess their pride in being Singaporeans, vouch their loyalty to the country, but in the end, are left out of the process to provide input (or on the pretext of encouraging input but nothing gets done) in the policies making and building of the future nation, is it 'much more to that'?
One can say, leave it up to the government to do these things. Aren't we lazy? For consumers, if you employed a domestic helper, you could say, leave it up to him/her to do the housecleaning. But do you also keep track of whether she does a good job or slacking away, track their progress, see if she pinches your stuff, or if you are paying her too much, even get someone else to check on her? You would also want to have other domestic maids from competitive agencies to see if they can tell you if you got a good deal. When you throw everything to someone else to do and they get paid millions, you don't just leave it at that. Are you so trusting of everything someone says and what they sell to you? It may work in the 50s or 60s when the majority of the population were under educated, so they left it to those 'who knows the law' to do it. But today, do you have an excuse? would you still do that?
In addition to the changing economy and globalization, it is precisely why certain outdated policies that have been enforced without questions have perpetuated so much of the livelihood problems with regards to paying bills, taking care of the families, having a stable job.
Like you said about who is right, who is wrong, who is to say? One cannot just be fatalistic and willingly burden them. As a process, politics can have a great change effect to make your lives better. These are not only your problems, it is everyone's problem. You have a say only if you want to! That is why, decades of over reliance and leaving all the decisions up to 'the government' to tell you what is right and wrong, is bad for you and the next generation. Being involved in your country's politics is not an entirely romantic or idealistic pursuit because everyone out there have got the same bread and butter issues to worry about day in and out. It is when you realize the signs and symptoms to one's current problems, and they are not entirely unique to yourself, that is when you have to ask yourself why are these happening this way (e.g. cost of living, medical bills, taxes, corruption in charity, transparency issues, building of a casino, not selected for upgrading programmes etc)?
From this, you trace them to the root of their problems and think of the avenues where you can effect change, not internalize them. And you don't have to join the incumbent or the oppositions just to question these issues. If politics are meant for one or few people at the top, that is where you will always have the elites and if you allow that to happen, you cannot complain about why some get richer and others are poor, why the inequality of such systmes and the gap that grows between classes of citizens? You are the one to be blamed as you have allowed yourself to be dominated.
All you do is cast your vote. Think of it this way, if you cast your vote just for the materialistic concerns of some payouts today, in the long term, you may have more of these to worry about if there are no checks and balances to query who sets the mandate to say increase transport charges, medical bills, taxes, etc. Even if it is for our self serving concerns, the interesting thing about what many will do with the progress package payout is to pay bills. But if bills were the main concern, why not look at finding policies and solutions that can make live better. If your tap is running dry because of a broken hose, a pail of water won't help. Fix the hose.
If you vote for the status quo, you have no say. If you vote for the oppositions, at least you will then get someone who may represent these converns and present an alternative voice or challenge bills passed that may not be to your interest. E.g. it is not important if it was JBJ, CSJ or Slipperman unknowns, they can be renewed if they cannot at that point serve your interest but they represent a voice and are your agents of change. That is the more critical point. Or should you be more worried about silly PR issues or he does not speak good english and other superficialities like his or her personality, dressing sense etc from tabliods or state controlled media? Otherwise, what have you got? If election day is another public holiday with walkovers and just thinking of where to spend the holidays, then, you have just added more problems to yours and your future generation's current and future problems of 'Paying bills, taking care of families, having a stable job become the more important factors' etc. You do not want your future generations to blame the current of their nonchalences.
A casual chat with a foreign professor some time ago dwelled on local politics, I said something to the effect like 'there is nothing much one can be do, everything is set. He asked if that is 'what being a Singaporean is all about?' Perhaps he was referring to those transitional immigrants whose only motive is to go into a country, make tonnes of gold and leave the country when its done. And maybe also shake off the dust from the soles of their shoes when leaving this place.Originally posted by nanren4ever:Youngsters want freedom of speech, they are idealists, and they see the world around them full of such cases. They see Taiwan, the US, Phillippines, and Thailand where the opposition are thriving, and they think, hey, we Singapore should have that too.
It is when u are in ur mid-20s, do u realise that there are much more to that. Paying bills, taking care of families, having a stable job become the more important factors, and the romantic ideas will fade away, giving way to realism. Who is right? Who is wrong? Who is to say? If people feel comfortable with their present government, then let them be. If they are not, just go and do their part, by joining the opposition, and try to make Singapore a better place, or the place they want it to be. -
i personally think they are very rude to MM Lee, this shouldn't be the way you talk to elders.