MM Lee owes Singaporeans an apology
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I am really sad that MM Lee describes the opposition as riffraff
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It's the first time I learned about this word and so I look up the web dictionary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riffraff
n.
1. People regarded as disreputable or worthless.
2. Rubbish; trash.
There are doctor, lawyer, law lecturer, GM, Financial Controller among the opposition candidates. If they are riffraffs, I think 90% of Singaporeans are riffraffs under MM Lee's eye. I think he owes us an apology.
Can he be sued for making such remarks? -
U sue him, he dig out stuff to counter-sue u
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of course I won't sue - just ask whether he can be sued?
Just like LTK has to answer for Gomez's mistake. LHL should come out and make his stand - Is 90% of the Singaporean riffraff? -
So everyone of us is considered to be 'riffraff' if we are not among the 'elites' ?
Well said !
Now go join his party or you'll still be rubbish even if you're a doctor or lawyer.
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harnor...Originally posted by deathscythe99:U sue him, he dig out stuff to counter-sue u
dun forget he has the most experience in litigation that anyone else in Singapore.
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dont even try to sue him. why? coz they have the whole drew and napier company at his side or party side. look who bring down the NKF saga? how many senior legal counsel at PAP?
unless you have a deep pocket that can challenge and prepare for a long legal battle otherwise, as the cantonese saying in mandarin" you ta jiang, mei ni jiang" that why we are often cut off when speaking to him. not just us but the journalist who recently attend some function. -
i'd rather be riffraff than be a scoundrel like the one who call the opposition riffraff.
some people are just scoundrels no matter how high a position they rise to. -
The higher the position, the more venom they possess.
The higher the position, the more vengance they have.
The higher the position, the more vindictive they be.
The higher the position, the more dillusionary they become.
'riff-raff' - are not normally pleasant people, when they speak - all those who know better, should stay silent.
Usually, 'riff-raffs' speak with 'middle-finger' actions. -
RIFF RAFF AM IOriginally posted by cobra99:I am really sad that MM Lee describes the opposition as riffraff
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It's the first time I learned about this word and so I look up the web dictionary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/riffraff
n.
1. People regarded as disreputable or worthless.
2. Rubbish; trash.
There are doctor, lawyer, law lecturer, GM, Financial Controller among the opposition candidates. If they are riffraffs, I think 90% of Singaporeans are riffraffs under MM Lee's eye. I think he owes us an apology.
Can he be sued for making such remarks?
Free I cry!
Why should I hear the elite's lies
until I die !
Opposition I am not
but a dissatisfied citizen going on
in the world of where
rich get richer
and poor get poorer -
the higher the position, the more foot in mouth they're prone to. Sometimes I don't wonder if they all talk never think 1st one, and all so thick skinned. 1st time I see in a supposedly democratic country, the person in power everytime 'retire' from a ministerial position, create a new one for himself. Really buay paiseh.Originally posted by Atobe:The higher the position, the more venom they possess.
The higher the position, the more vengance they have.
The higher the position, the more vindictive they be.
The higher the position, the more dillusionary they become. -
Originally posted by cobra99:
Professionals, they may be, but riffraffs, some of them may be all the same. While MM Lee may be too generalised when he made that statement, I think you guys are the same to generalise his statements and conclude that 90% of Singaporeans are riffraffs with his words.
There are doctor, lawyer, law lecturer, GM, Financial Controller among the opposition candidates. If they are riffraffs, I think 90% of Singaporeans are riffraffs under MM Lee's eye. I think he owes us an apology.
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Whoever it may be, I feel a candidate should prove his or her own credibility through his or her own actions and words, and I am sure many can see who are the not-so-credible ones. There is no need to feel offended by words if the words are not right.
In such situations, people tend to be emotional, and I am sure MM Lee was just as emotional. I am not judging whether his words were right or wrong, but that simply shows how strong his feelings are.
By the way, if you have the courage to post such things, don't create a new account and hide behind a dubious nick just to do so. It lightens the weight of your words. -
Lets view it in another different light.
The members in the group you have mentioned may had held reputable standing in the private sectors or in any other fields. However, they may not be creditable enough to hold office in the political sector.
The usage of 'riffraff' may be harsh but labelling not deframatory remark is unavoidable in election period.
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If this statement is also applicable to the crop of Corporate Executives recruited by the POWER OF ONE - that they will have alot to explain to you.Originally posted by TooFree:The members in the group you have mentioned may had held reputable standing in the private sectors or in any other fields. However, they may not be creditable enough to hold office in the political sector.
How did a Brigadier-General managed to squeeze through the door - when he had hardly warmed his seat being promoted from Lieutenant Colonel to full Colonel, and to Brigadier General within TWO YEARS - AND enter Politics to become a Second-Minister upon being elected ?
If someone without experience can squeeze into the Political Corridors of Power to become a second-Minister on being elected, and become a Full Minister within TWO Years from entering Public Office, and a Prime Minister in another TEN Years - are we in safe hands, especially with a senile old man with his old political baggage leading the way - despite admitting having made monomental errors in decision making that continue to have negative impact on Singapore ? -
these personalities have to stand their ground when talking to him.It doesn't mean that if he's MM, he has the right to cut off a journalist's question.It's all about professionalism, if the journalist is serious, he will be persistant, not wilt away.Originally posted by reyes:dont even try to sue him. why? coz they have the whole drew and napier company at his side or party side. look who bring down the NKF saga? how many senior legal counsel at PAP?
unless you have a deep pocket that can challenge and prepare for a long legal battle otherwise, as the cantonese saying in mandarin" you ta jiang, mei ni jiang" that why we are often cut off when speaking to him. not just us but the journalist who recently attend some function.
Sometimes, to gain respect from such people, is to engage them and challenge them intellectually. -
I agree your first point, so why MM and PM sue SDP? Then Both MM and PM should prove their own credibility through their own actions and words, am I right?Originally posted by ellisbeck:Whoever it may be, I feel a candidate should prove his or her own credibility through his or her own actions and words, and I am sure many can see who are the not-so-credible ones. There is no need to feel offended by words if the words are not right.
In such situations, people tend to be emotional, and I am sure MM Lee was just as emotional. I am not judging whether his words were right or wrong, but that simply shows how strong his feelings are.
By the way, if you have the courage to post such things, don't create a new account and hide behind a dubious nick just to do so. It lightens the weight of your words.
Why they need to bring the issue to court?
That's how american law works, if you face defamation, you should provide the proof. -
Originally posted by yizhen:
In the USA, if you are sitting in a PUBLIC OFFICE - you are subject to FAIR PUBLIC CRITICISM.
I agree your first point, so why MM and PM sue SDP? Both MM and PM prove their own credibility through their own actions and words, not through court, am I right?
That's how american law works, if you face defamation, you should provide the proof.
Even if it is unfair Public Criticism, all voice are ENTITLED to their OPINION.
THE PERSON IN PUBLIC OFFICE do not sue for criticism of the Public Office. -
Originally posted by ellisbeck:
I don't understand you and why do I have to create a new account? I am new to this forum courtesy of Zaobao's list of political forums in Singapore.
By the way, if you have the courage to post such things, don't create a new account and hide behind a dubious nick just to do so. It lightens the weight of your words.
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I just post my feelings after reading the news. The fact that such name calling came out from such a respectable person saddens me. I wonder what'll be his reaction if he's being called riffraff?
You may say I'm trying to make a mole hill out of a mountain - or the other way round. Whatever. -
Only if the opposition wins all of the 47 seats.Originally posted by cobra99:Can he be sued for making such remarks?
Else, its just a dream
thanks for finding out the definition of riffraft.
Now I know I am insulted.
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First the peanuts, now this. Politics, dirtiest playing field in the world.
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You forgot "Quitters"Originally posted by ditzy:First the peanuts, now this. Politics, dirtiest playing field in the world. -
I was trying to be subdued.Originally posted by Cindyfeh:You forgot "Quitters" -
time to lower his head
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you know, just because the government say that protesting is illegal so no one does it.
but if lets say lots of people do it. they go to jail. more people protest. they also go to jail. maybe all these people get the death sentence (sadly, people in singapore are very afraid of death. isit kia si?). but if this keeps on going, wont they be putting A LOT of people into jail?
and wont other countries know?
ok, i dont know where i am going...but i just dont understand why people here are so afriad to go against the law. especially since singapore is supposedly a democratic country and isnt there this thing about FREE SPEECH too??
gah...the opposition is there for show. they are people paid to lose in the elections so that singapore is 'democratic' and people 'elect' their leaders.
damn. i better not go to jail for this... -
No need to get into trivials like that. If you choose to perceive that MM Lee has insulted you, then by all means - but that is so very unnecessary and I feel sad for you.
I agree with TooFree that some people are just never credible enough to hold political office even though they may hold reputable positions in their work life.
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hey first we were 'quitters'....now the 'lord' MM lee thinks we are RIFF RAFF. its a matter of time before my doctor prescribes Prozac to me for depression cause my leaders think of us Singaporeans as a bunch of losers! Mr Lee could kiss my ass!!!!