SDA's Edmund Ng takes up PAP's challenge to build HDB flats
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Mr Mah sure lose points for this. Seems high handed way to react when people call his bluff. How can outright tell HDB not to entertain. Think it is time for Ah Lui to replace him. Maybe that is the plan.....
Btw, if Edmund Ng build flats, please highlight where. Sure cannot buy. I asked one of my civil engineer friend, he says to build flat with Edmund Ng budget will mean having less steel, less cement and not much QC from architect and clerk of work. -
Originally posted by Blue Dolphin:Btw, if Edmund Ng build flats, please highlight where. Sure cannot buy. I asked one of my civil engineer friend, he says to build flat with Edmund Ng budget will mean having less steel, less cement and not much QC from architect and clerk of work.
You are making singapore government disgraced by saying the MND and HDB will allow you doing good work..Blue, you think singapore can allow you to "Ai Qi Teo Qi" .."Soo Ka Soo Ka Teo Qi".
I never studied much.Structural.Civil.Surveyor.Toilet bowl. New Water.Electric. All must pass before you can touch the ground...You think officer sit inside computer room play game only..they do their work ok..Please give them some respect..
I respected all previous and current minister in charge of HDB..all have done their good job which is why we are only doing upgrading of lift only. Without them, we wouldn't have the flat that we lived..wtihout them we will be still in village of 3rd World..
Don't talk like "Cheng Hu Lang"..when you are not even one hal..Go and ask BH..she can tell you can or cannot.
Unless you name your friend..else don't get your friend into further trouble by relevant ministry..for his act of unprofessional comments which can be prosecuted and removed from office.
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And what fair play are you suggesting here? By enforcing an unconstitutional information blackout on pricing and costs, Mah is just out to whitewash a challenger AFTER he took up the challenge thrown at him.Originally posted by TooFree:I agree that the onus is with Mr Ng to prove that he can get a better pricing WITHOUT having any undue advantage of knowing beforehand the other opponent cost as estimate figures or benchmark. This is fair play at works.
The Ruling Party loves to 'benchmark' plenty of figures: i.e. cost of living with that of first world nations, minister's salaries with that of top executives of top companies etc etc. Why then deny someone the knowledge of HDB costing to use as a benchmark figure?
Perhaps you also agree that students should sit for an exam not knowing what the passing mark is? Or going for a driving test not knowing the test requirements?
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Edmund should have accept Mah's proposal to subcontract at a cheaper rate and simply bury our MBT.
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There is something I like to point out about HDB prices.... PAP says that it is so expensive because of the land costs. 1st of all the land belongs to the public and so when you build public housing on public land, then it is only natural that the land cost is zero.
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Ya, but the problem is the ruling party owns the land...Originally posted by casino_king:There is something I like to point out about HDB prices.... PAP says that it is so expensive because of the land costs. 1st of all the land belongs to the public and so when you build public housing on public land, then it is only natural that the land cost is zero.
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Then we should all ask them: "You think it is your grandfather's land ah? You think it is your grandfather's road ah?"Originally posted by Nelstar:Ya, but the problem is the ruling party owns the land...
alamak, with the kind of salaries they pay themselves soone it will be and all Singaporeans LL.
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No problem in exchanging views on the part of all active citizens for truths to be established, alternatives, principles and issues of morality and integrity upheld as the highest goal of government.Originally posted by LazerLordz:But your analytical views will definitely come in handy, perhaps you could assist them in policy research
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Unnecessary law suits will lead to a litigious society where citizens will sue one another on the slighest innuendo quoting Tang Liang Hong case and turn off the whole electorate. This is 2006 not 1965. -
Minister Mah must be right. This edmund must be crazy..since he loved singapore so much. I would advise Minister Mah to let him to do to show him wrong.
Hokien song "Ai Teo Jia Chia Tia" - "love then know hurt" let him go and hurt .. Stupid Edmund..you must be crazy.. -
Mah's u-turn on this HDB's challenge is something the opposition canidates should all highlight a Unison at their rallies.
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Well, U-Turn sounds so familiar..Originally posted by claudetnt:Mah's u-turn on this HDB's challenge is something the opposition canidates should all highlight a Unison at their rallies. -
on that day..... my vote will be same as youOriginally posted by duotiga83:I'm Sorry Mr Mah...I LIVE IN TAMPINES....YOU WILL REGRET THE VOTE I CHOOSE -
i dislike him personallyOriginally posted by boyish love:think pm mm sm all kicking themselves about mah bow tan. frankly he is one mp i disrespect and its showing again. but think its hard for him to be voted out -
U must have not set for yr O level for a very long time man. The marks given by your teacher for A, B or C is actually not really accurate. The ranking of your score is actually decided by percentile. Only a certain percentage of student will get A1, A2, B3, B4. IF there is no such percentage I am sure many ppl will get fabulous result in their O certificate. No one really know what mark u shld get in the Os in order to get all A. In a certain way we do not know what is the scoring grade.Originally posted by BillyBong:Perhaps you also agree that students should sit for an exam not knowing what the passing mark is? Or going for a driving test not knowing the test requirements? -
I doubt opposition enjoys nitpicking when this is the time for campaigning.Originally posted by claudetnt:Mah's u-turn on this HDB's challenge is something the opposition canidates should all highlight a Unison at their rallies. -
In case you are still lost, i was refering to the PASSING MARK, not the As, Bs or Cs.Originally posted by NewAge:U must have not set for yr O level for a very long time man. The marks given by your teacher for A, B or C is actually not really accurate. The ranking of your score is actually decided by percentile. Only a certain percentage of student will get A1, A2, B3, B4. IF there is no such percentage I am sure many ppl will get fabulous result in their O certificate. No one really know what mark u shld get in the Os in order to get all A. In a certain way we do not know what is the scoring grade.
The passing mark is never more than 50%, but could at times be moderated to a score <50% in the event of poor overall performances. This concept is true for University exams as well, where papers are occasionally difficult.
Moderation only goes down for the passing score, not up.
In any case, the issue remains that Mah Bow Tan did a controversial about turn, shifting his goalposts when the original set were beaten.
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remember that the sore losers will make things difficult 4 u so by increasing cost and infalting land priceOriginally posted by seancannot:SINGAPORE : Singapore Democratic Alliance's candidate for Tampines GRC, Edmund Ng says he is taking up the challenge by National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan to build HDB flats at lower cost.
Mr Ng says he has written to the Housing and Development Board requesting for costing information.
But Mr Mah, who is leading the PAP team in Tampines GRC, says the SDA candidate is just 'fishing' for figures and he has asked the HDB not to entertain him.
At a recent rally, Mr Ng had said it costs just $70,000 to $80,000 to build an HDB flat priced at $250,000.
In response, Mr Mah issued him a challenge, asking the HDB to subcontract building projects to Mr Ng.
When asked about Mr Ng's letter to HDB asking for cost details, Mr Mah says the onus is on the SDA candidate to back up his estimates.
Mr Mah says: "He is fishing for figures. He's got absolutely no clue what is going on. He just makes this allegation, just shooting from the hip. I've asked HDB not to entertain him."
He says HDB flats are heavily subsidised and that its prices are based on market value.
Mr Mah says: "The market value of the flat includes construction cost, land cost, infrastructure cost, providing lifts on every floor, and it varies from place to place."
So what is Mr Ng's next move?
Mr Ng "We have better things to do. We are currently very busy with the unemployment job portal. We don't run the HDB. It's up to them to disclose. It's up to them to be transparent."
As for the SDA employment website, Mr Ng says it has so far received 50 applications from Tampines residents since it was launched on Labour Day.
Mr Ng says it will kick start phase two of its employment initiative by linking up with companies situated in Tampines, Changi, Bedok and Loyang to help residents find jobs nearer to their homes. - CNA/de
i really wonder how they can be goverment 4 50+ years
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and the pap cant just get rid of him or else such departual will damage their rep. if mbt is opposition member than different. make noise already. wait so long!Originally posted by Chelzea:i dislike him personally but think its hard for him to be voted out
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You can be assured that if such a thing had happened in a Third World Country, the minister would have been mutiliated and his body parts dragged through the streets over and over, finally fed to the dogs and pigs.
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seriously.. the more i read.. the more i hope singaporean will wake up suddenly during this GE also really make mi work harder to make sure i wont be fired and wont have to go back sg
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hdb flats are subsidized, who will believe that?
majority of home owners are in debt.
hdb made billions from us. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
Wait a minute ... Do POLITICIANS really have integrity in the first place ?
In case you are still lost, i was refering to the [b]PASSING MARK, not the As, Bs or Cs.
The passing mark is never more than 50%, but could at times be moderated to a score <50% in the event of poor overall performances. This concept is true for University exams as well, where papers are occasionally difficult.
Moderation only goes down for the passing score, not up.
In any case, the issue remains that Mah Bow Tan did a controversial about turn, shifting his goalposts when the original set were beaten.
Where's his integrity now? [/b] -
u never go to the great singapore sales b4 meh????? mark up 100% then tell u discount 50% already.. so selling price is 150% lor...HDB so good to u right?Originally posted by dragg:hdb flats are subsidized, who will believe that?
majority of home owners are in debt.
hdb made billions from us. -
[b In this case, I can assume the cost is actually that low.Originally posted by ditzy:Challenge him, then ask HDB not to entertain him? Huh? WTF?!?!?! Tell you go jump into the river, but don't come out of it wet. -
$70,000 to $80,000 ?
Tell me how long to build a flat?
So the minimum workers how many?
Take a company's numbers then estimate
If let's say taking $20,000 as a worker's annual salary...how many workers can you employ before buying the raw materials?
Steel is very expensive these days
I say $70,000 to $80,000 is almost impossible even the land is free