SDA's Edmund Ng takes up PAP's challenge to build HDB flats
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It is possible ... my cousin bought a five room government flat in msia for RM 100000, the quality is better if not better than your HDB flat
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u dun need a yr to build 1 flat u know?Originally posted by maggot:$70,000 to $80,000 ?
Tell me how long to build a flat?
So the minimum workers how many?
Take a company's numbers then estimate
If let's say taking $20,000 as a worker's annual salary...how many workers can you employ before buying the raw materials?
Steel is very expensive these days
I say $70,000 to $80,000 is almost impossible even the land is free -
My one question to him:
Do you have the money? -
Oh you mean those die cast flats?Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):u dun need a yr to build 1 flat u know? Really don't need a year
But the concrete mixture for that is "SO" expensive...forgot how expensive it is -
Originally posted by king108:
Si mi tai chi, you got read correctly or not. I say flats cannot be built with that kind of price because basic things like steel and cement cost is high. So same as you say, cannot be done. Edmund talking as if no need to pay money one. [b] You are making singapore government disgraced by saying the MND and HDB will allow you doing good work..Blue, you think singapore can allow you to "Ai Qi Teo Qi" .."Soo Ka Soo Ka Teo Qi".
I never studied much.Structural.Civil.Surveyor.Toilet bowl. New Water.Electric. All must pass before you can touch the ground...You think officer sit inside computer room play game only..they do their work ok..Please give them some respect..
I respected all previous and current minister in charge of HDB..all have done their good job which is why we are only doing upgrading of lift only. Without them, we wouldn't have the flat that we lived..wtihout them we will be still in village of 3rd World..
Don't talk like "Cheng Hu Lang"..when you are not even one hal..Go and ask BH..she can tell you can or cannot.
Unless you name your friend..else don't get your friend into further trouble by relevant ministry..for his act of unprofessional comments which can be prosecuted and removed from office.
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I also agree with you that without HDB, many of us got no good place to stay. When I was young, I stayed in rented room, my family first flat was a one-and-half room, not sure now still have or not. Only after many years we finally got a four room flat. Still remember that chinese new year, celebrate until siao. Really thankful to government. Nowadays new generation never sleep on the floor, wake up see rat staring at you one, cannot understand the feeling of having own roof.
People think land belongs to them and build flat takes less time than cook magie mee. No need go too far, just go nearby countries, see how flats are built. No infra structure, like roads, market, public transport, toilet system. Generation of instant gratification cannot wait. Think like SIM CITY, pit pit plat plat. Not so simple. Lots of visualisation, planning and co-ordination. Where got all raw material arrive on time one, project management is sometime crisis management every other day.
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Yes!!! Contract for building a unit of HDB flat range from Lowest was about $57,000 to $90,000 on average of 4rm and 5rm (for conventional types HDB flats...means design and administrated by HDB).Originally posted by maggot:$70,000 to $80,000 ?
Tell me how long to build a flat?
So the minimum workers how many?
Take a company's numbers then estimate
If let's say taking $20,000 as a worker's annual salary...how many workers can you employ before buying the raw materials?
Steel is very expensive these days
I say $70,000 to $80,000 is almost impossible even the land is free
The piling cost will cost about $8000.00 to $10,000, Lift installation cost about $180,000 per unit, plumbing and sanitary about $6000.00 to $8000.00, Electrical installation cost about $5000.00 per unit.
To cut short. HDB has awarded design and build contracts to contractors at the tendering cost of $90,000 to $140,000 per unit which includes all infrastructures, service road, sub-station, Muliti-storey carparks, lifts installations, Plumbing and Sanitary, Electrical, Fire Fighting systems, landscaping, playgrounds and etc....whole package as also inclusive of design and consultation fees as well. Of course, the land cost is not incuded....but we are pure singaporeans...don't pap think that we deserve a shelter in singapore?...further more...we had served our NS which we had lost or sacrifice two or two and half years of our time to serve singapore? So...at what cost is pap talking and pricing of our land?
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fabrication of Steel and labour for one unit of 4rm and 5rm cost about S$1300-1400. Quantity of steel bars for One unit average for 4 and 5rm is about 13 tonnes to 16 tonnes. (rough estimation)Originally posted by maggot:$70,000 to $80,000 ?
Tell me how long to build a flat?
So the minimum workers how many?
Take a company's numbers then estimate
If let's say taking $20,000 as a worker's annual salary...how many workers can you employ before buying the raw materials?
Steel is very expensive these days
I say $70,000 to $80,000 is almost impossible even the land is free -
I am not sure how long on average it is to build a unit in a block of flats, but using private condos as a guage, it seems like it takes about a year and a half to build a block and it seems like it takes about a year to build a private house. So I suppose, the time difference to build a unit and a house is not significant; however, to average out a unit in a block of flats, then it is right to say it takes less than a year.Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):u dun need a yr to build 1 flat u know?
Sorry if I cannot answer any clearer....
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So what are the opposition waiting for instead of building it to show PAP?Originally posted by Lowclassman:Yes!!! Contract for building a unit of HDB flat range from Lowest was about $57,000 to $90,000 on average of 4rm and 5rm (for conventional types HDB flats...means design and administrated by HDB).
The piling cost will cost about $8000.00 to $10,000, Lift installation cost about $180,000 per unit, plumbing and sanitary about $6000.00 to $8000.00, Electrical installation cost about $5000.00 per unit.
To cut short. HDB has awarded design and build contracts to contractors at the tendering cost of $90,000 to $140,000 per unit which includes all infrastructures, service road, sub-station, Muliti-storey carparks, lifts installations, Plumbing and Sanitary, Electrical, Fire Fighting systems, landscaping, playgrounds and etc....whole package as also inclusive of design and consultation fees as well. Of course, the land cost is not incuded....but we are pure singaporeans...don't pap think that we deserve a shelter in singapore?...further more...we had served our NS which we had lost or sacrifice two or two and half years of our time to serve singapore? So...at what cost is pap talking and pricing of our land?
Unless the figures are not correct 
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I got this from Building Construction authority website. Random sample, did not search through, so may not be representative of average project. Just want to give a rough feel.Originally posted by Lowclassman:Yes!!! Contract for building a unit of HDB flat range from Lowest was about $57,000 to $90,000 on average of 4rm and 5rm (for conventional types HDB flats...means design and administrated by HDB).
The piling cost will cost about $8000.00 to $10,000, Lift installation cost about $180,000 per unit, plumbing and sanitary about $6000.00 to $8000.00, Electrical installation cost about $5000.00 per unit.
To cut short. HDB has awarded design and build contracts to contractors at the tendering cost of $90,000 to $140,000 per unit which includes all infrastructures, service road, sub-station, Muliti-storey carparks, lifts installations, Plumbing and Sanitary, Electrical, Fire Fighting systems, landscaping, playgrounds and etc....whole package as also inclusive of design and consultation fees as well. Of course, the land cost is not incuded....but we are pure singaporeans...don't pap think that we deserve a shelter in singapore?...further more...we had served our NS which we had lost or sacrifice two or two and half years of our time to serve singapore? So...at what cost is pap talking and pricing of our land?
ERECTION OF 115 UNITS OF 3-STOREY STRATA TERRACE HOUSES WITH ATTIC, BASEMENT CARPARK AND COMMUNAL FACILITIES ON LOT(S) 4402L MK13 AT SEMBAWANG WALK - Project cost S$35,000,000.
I average out, 115 units, ie S$304, 347 per unit.
Lets suppose each unit is about 2000 sq ft (its 3 storey) and 4-rm HDB is about 900 sq ft so that works out to about $137K per 4-rm HDB size. I suppose the build quality of private house is more demanding but the cost of material is the same, and each HBD flat will require toilet, bomb shelter and water pipes, consequently making it more costly.
Note this is only construction cost, have not included water & electricity testing and connection, cable TV, telephone, clerk of work, architect, clerk of work and other cost. So another 10-15K per unit, I suppose, is reasonable?
Also, there are amenities around, like roads, bus stop, schools, lamp posts, sports facilities, which will add to the cost of building a small town.
Not sure if this calculation is fair. Any civil engineer or contractors out there??? HELP!!!
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The government will then sell the land to them at markup prices.Originally posted by maggot:So what are the opposition waiting for instead of building it to show PAP?
Unless the figures are not correct
Betw, are the material cost charged GSTs???
And how about outsourcing the job to China Construction Company?
Altenatively, somone can also start a petition on more HDB Transpancy. Just lke NKF??
Hey, I sense a good business here.
Low-cost No-frills housing. Just like those Low-cost Airlines.
Can even put in broadband wireless internet access for every flat and rooms even.
Can such low-cost competitor to shake up the market??
Sounds stupid? -
No wonder someone experienced told meOriginally posted by Blue Dolphin:I got this from Building Construction authority website. Random sample, did not search through, so may not be representative of average project. Just want to give a rough feel.
ERECTION OF 115 UNITS OF 3-STOREY STRATA TERRACE HOUSES WITH ATTIC, BASEMENT CARPARK AND COMMUNAL FACILITIES ON LOT(S) 4402L MK13 AT SEMBAWANG WALK - Project cost S$35,000,000.
I average out, 115 units, ie S$304, 347 per unit.
Lets suppose each unit is about 2000 sq ft (its 3 storey) and 4-rm HDB is about 900 sq ft so that works out to about $137K per 4-rm HDB size. I suppose the build quality of private house is more demanding but the cost of material is the same, and each HBD flat will require toilet, bomb shelter and water pipes, consequently making it more costly.
Note this is only construction cost, have not included water & electricity testing and connection, cable TV, telephone, clerk of work, architect, clerk of work and other cost. So another 10-15K per unit, I suppose, is reasonable?
Also, there are amenities around, like roads, bus stop, schools, lamp posts, sports facilities, which will add to the cost of building a small town.
Not sure if this calculation is fair. Any civil engineer or contractors out there??? HELP!!!
the property development market is the quickest way to get rich.
My guess is, PAP has figured it out since the beginning. -
Hmm.
Betw, I thought HDB had already over-build HDB flats?
Why ain't the prices dropping with the oversupply? -
There is no such logic lar! Well, not in pap's context that is.Originally posted by NuLife:Hmm.
Betw, I thought HDB had already over-build HDB flats?
Why ain't the prices dropping with the oversupply? -
My estimation is also on high side liow...if contractors were to build with these price...contractors will get rich super fast.Originally posted by maggot:So what are the opposition waiting for instead of building it to show PAP?
Unless the figures are not correct -
Originally posted by Blue Dolphin: One room flat should still have in Chai Chee and Bedok, very few. Bukit Merah mostly dismolished.
Price matter, why not leave it to SDA Edmund Ng to do then say. Before he can do it already block..you still wanted people to believe cannot be done. Never tried, never know.
The price you had show..I wouldn't wanted to speculate, cause unless I see the actual blue print and sent it to a estimator. Price can be anything really depended on the actual design. Am I rite to say so?
Time will reveal. -
One cannot compare HDB flat construction costs with those of private sector terrace houses. The per square foot cost for HDB has been well known. All it takes is for such costs to be provided by Minister Mah to Edmund Ng and the whole argument or controversy surrounding the issue whether HDB is over-charging for its HDB flat prices would be resolved. There is no need to practise witholding of information and at the end when people speculated on any issue of costs like in the disputes over the medical costs that there would be law suits or commission of inquiries which could all be avoided.Originally posted by Blue Dolphin:I got this from Building Construction authority website. Random sample, did not search through, so may not be representative of average project. Just want to give a rough feel.
ERECTION OF 115 UNITS OF 3-STOREY STRATA TERRACE HOUSES WITH ATTIC, BASEMENT CARPARK AND COMMUNAL FACILITIES ON LOT(S) 4402L MK13 AT SEMBAWANG WALK - Project cost S$35,000,000.
I average out, 115 units, ie S$304, 347 per unit.
Lets suppose each unit is about 2000 sq ft (its 3 storey) and 4-rm HDB is about 900 sq ft so that works out to about $137K per 4-rm HDB size. I suppose the build quality of private house is more demanding but the cost of material is the same, and each HBD flat will require toilet, bomb shelter and water pipes, consequently making it more costly.
Note this is only construction cost, have not included water & electricity testing and connection, cable TV, telephone, clerk of work, architect, clerk of work and other cost. So another 10-15K per unit, I suppose, is reasonable?
Also, there are amenities around, like roads, bus stop, schools, lamp posts, sports facilities, which will add to the cost of building a small town.
Not sure if this calculation is fair. Any civil engineer or contractors out there??? HELP!!!
Many problems we encounter today could be solved without such witholding of information - it is just a matter of following First-world practices of providing information for accountability and transparency to citizens period.
If NKF released information in the beginning about ratio of donation to patient subsidy throughout the whole period the whistle blowers were being sued there would have been proper and accountable good corporate governance and the whole NKF would not have happened at all.
So HDB should practise good corporate governance so that this matter need not become an election issue at all? Is Minister Mah going to practise first-world management practice for HDB to release cost information then? -
Let not forgot that there are also the "hidden cost".
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Originally posted by LittleTiger:Let not forgot that there are also the "hidden cost". Please sleep early..you need enough rest to grow..I don't wish you turned to smaller size but no tiger.
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I completely agree that WP must come clean about the Gomezgate
I completely agree that SL knows more than she reveals.
Opposition must follow the example of the ruling party by coming clean and reveal all. Just ask and you will have evry details right down to the cost of a screw in building a flat. Just ask and you have every detail on how much each Singaporean is paid..Just ask and you will know how strong a invester Singapore is in every country. Once you have all the answers...shove it down the oppositions throat... -
Very new yet very deep...Originally posted by Lessformore: I had never heard of during a battle of 2 sides. One side can ask the other side to kill their general infront of their opponent. Let me know your side, we wouldn't join. This is because we don't know when we will be killed by you, the emperor.. -
And what has this got to do with this particular thread?Originally posted by Lessformore:I completely agree that WP must come clean about the Gomezgate
I completely agree that SL knows more than she reveals.
Opposition must follow the example of the ruling party by coming clean and reveal all. Just ask and you will have evry details right down to the cost of a screw in building a flat. Just ask and you have every detail on how much each Singaporean is paid..Just ask and you will know how strong a invester Singapore is in every country. Once you have all the answers...shove it down the oppositions throat...
James Gomez's intregrity is for the people to decide. He has already made a mistake, admitted it, and openly apologised at a rally in front of camera and CNA video footage. IRONICALLY and COINCIDENTALLY, this particular footage was NOT covered on air time, compared to the PAP endorsed JAMES GOMEZ SHOW.
The fact that the Ruling Party continues to harp on this issue begs the following questions:
1. Are they so shallow in their variety that they have nothing else to talk about?
2. DPM Wong seems to have taken a personal interest in this case, also because he is 'in-charge' of the elections dept. Now WHY IS A PAP-aligned MINISTER HEADING A SUPPOSED NEUTRAL BODY FOR ELECTIONS?
Why hasn't anyone answered this?
'Shove it down the opposition's throat' you say?
Perhaps you should study the facts and the subtle politicking at play by the fragile Ruling Party.
And as you say, they should 'reveal all', why is Mah Bow Tan so RELUCTANT to release costings figures from HDB, even BARRING access that should be public knowledge?
Is the Ruling Party afraid that SDA will uncover the REAL COST of building a HDB flat? -
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Indeed.Originally posted by freakass:
As SDP Lawyer M Ravi mentioned at a rally, lightning strikes in Singapore are among the highest in the world. -
Yeahlor, a rare time to see the biitchy side of men! Oh, minus the hair-pulling thoughOriginally posted by casshern:wahahahh this is so hilarious.
i love GE, seems like a series of comedies to me. think can make into a TeeVee series liao