PAP has turned Singapore into a land of foreigners
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Take a look around. All you will see are foreigners crawling around all over the place. The government has been handing out PR's like chocolates. What exactly is the diference between being a PR and a Singaporean? Only the progress package payments i suppose. I have malaysians working in my office who are in their early twenties went to University in Singapore and get all benefits of being a singaporean. The only difference they dont need to serve NS. They happy with their PR. Can still buy HDB flat. All our jobs are going to all this 'foreign talents'. Are massage parlour workers from China classified as 'foreign talents' too? Thanks PAP you have done a great job in allowing foreigners to rape our country.
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i see lots of thais, malaysians, mainland chinese, angmohs, pakistanis, indian nationals, blangadeshi.
soon we will become the minority. -
To some extent, some foreign investments & foreign talents are welcomed and good for our economy. But if it is allowed to SATURATE our population and industry (especially the employment market), we have a problem.
I think, our government (if they want to remain in power and always elected in future to come), they should put a LIMIT or CAP ceiling on the number of foreign talents and "foreign talents", into our market in general.
For once, I hope they start listening to us public voices.
Otherwise, winds of change, will slowly but surely, blow them away. -
Remember, it is “these foreigners” who had build our houses, apartments, condominiums, roads, highways, ports, MRT, our “country”. It is the same “foreigners” who become Singaporean when Singapore was established.
I think it is not right to say PAP had allowed foreigners to rape our country. On the balance, the benefits of having “foreigners” out weight the negative aspects. -
Right now, I think people are still able to make ends meet and keep a satisfactorily comfortable lifestyle. But if the rich and poor riff continues to widen, and unemployment due to foreign competition increases continuously, there will come a day, when there would be an uprising by the mass of down and out people.
Yes, the government may be able to arrest and jail a hundred people. But 500 people? A thousand and more??
A government's power is given by the number of people who supports them. But if more and more don't support them, who is going to listen to them?
And they should stop asking stupid questions like why aren't we producing babies?
The answer is staring right at their faces and they can't see it.... -
the govt will probably say;Originally posted by ShutterBug:To some extent, some foreign investments & foreign talents are welcomed and good for our economy. But if it is allowed to SATURATE our population and industry (especially the employment market), we have a problem.
I think, our government (if they want to remain in power and always elected in future to come), they should put a LIMIT or CAP ceiling on the number of foreign talents and "foreign talents", into our market in general.
For once, I hope they start listening to us public voices.
Otherwise, winds of change, will slowly but surely, blow them away.
import talents as we do not have the enough skilled-workers in certain areas; import foreign labours because singaporeans refuse to take up certain jobs; import foreigners because singaporeans do not produce enough offsprings.
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if u guys are good..why need foreigners
saema s malaysia..we dont wan to do all those dirty work..plantation etc etc..sowe hire FW..but not to the extent of giving them PR.
maybe sg is giving out PR to entice those experts in fields to come and make sg into a hub.. -
I think the government is trying to balance the needs, ie what type of foreign talents and the numbers to be allowed into Singapore. Other than the illegal immigrants, the number of foreign talents into Singapore is controlled (sort of). If you see more foreign talents into Singapore, it is because the government allows (approve) them.Originally posted by ShutterBug:To some extent, some foreign investments & foreign talents are welcomed and good for our economy. But if it is allowed to SATURATE our population and industry (especially the employment market), we have a problem.
I think, our government (if they want to remain in power and always elected in future to come), they should put a LIMIT or CAP ceiling on the number of foreign talents and "foreign talents", into our market in general.
For once, I hope they start listening to us public voices.
Otherwise, winds of change, will slowly but surely, blow them away.
There are LIMIT and CAP but it is set too high, so we feel a lot of pressure competing with the big pool of foreign talents! -
One must also ask; "Why aren't locals taking these jobs that foreigners are so willing to take?" Well, for one, I cite the sheer number of highly or well educated people produced by the system. Do you think they'd settle for minial jobs? Does it tally with all the years of tertiary studies? Ok, so if a local excepts a lower salary and not be choosy. Do you think, a salary of $1500-$2000 (before CPF) can feed a family or take care of aging and sick parents??Originally posted by PatrickLTH:Remember, it is “these foreigners” who had build our houses, apartments, condominiums, roads, highways, ports, MRT, our “country”. It is the same “foreigners” who become Singaporean when Singapore was established.
I think it is not right to say PAP had allowed foreigners to rape our country. On the balance, the benefits of having “foreigners” out weight the negative aspects.
(i haven't even mentioned the stupid policies in place governing the use of Medisafe and CPF!!)
With higher educational levels, almost everyone wants to be the boss. Then who's left to be the average employee? Also note that there are those who can't study for a variety of reasons, and hence have no choice but to compete foreigners for minial manual labour jobs.
Then after all this hardship of trying to make a living, we face even bleaker prospects as old citizens - no employers wants old workers due to high medical costs, or for whatever fasionable reasons.
Who the hell, do you think created such circumstances???? -
I don't mind if they are giving out PR. This shows the FT has been here for quite a number of years and have at least contribute something like income tax.
It is the giving out of employment passes that is the concern. Employment pass is given out for jobs that command a salary higher than 2.5k/mth. These are higher end jobs that should be reserved for our fresh graduates from Uni/Poly and the local lower-middle income group.
I know some FTs are just here to use us as a stepping stone for more lucrative jobs somewhere else. The govt should be more stringent in granting employment pass. Are we really short of qualified people? Or are companies taking the easy way out to cut labour cost at the expense of Singapore citizens? -
I seldom visit Tampines, the last time there was 9 years ago.
Last week I went there to look for a hardware as recommended
by Challenger's main shop.
I was stunned and confused by the massive crowd of
people.
The interchange was jammed packed with humanity.
And it was a weekday, 4 pm!
I stood at a distance and watch the crowd, wanted to
take a picture but couldnt because people were walking
in front of my camera.
It is really unbelievable. Go see for youselves if you cant get
my picture.
Yes, I totally agree, we Singaporeans are being squeezed out
by foreigners.
Our buses are crowded, no seats available in MRT train,
everywhere you go there is always a Q building up. The polyclinic
Qs are long, very long.
There are just too many foreigners in our country at
this point in time.
Do our MPs, who live in private houses, know and care?
Has Mah Bow Tan
been neglecting Singaporeans welfare by overbuilding HDB flats
in limited spaces?
And he HAS overbuilt, 17,000 flats to be exact!
Is he angry because Singaporeans did not
vote for him in the election and he LOST? -
Maybe one fine day we can have a FT Prime minister.
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Do our MPs, who live in private houses, know and care?
it does not affect them because they hardly have to deal or come across these people. -
These are the facts that you must see before condemning PAP:
1. there are huge needs for construction worker. Does singaporean willing to take this job with only $700 - $1000 per month? The bangladeshi and Pakistani are okay with this job.
2. There are huge needs for nurses in our healthcare system. Does singaporean willing to do this job? No, most Singaporean thinks this job is no good and low paid... But the Filipino are okay with this job.
3. There are huge demand for maids. Does Singaporean willing to take this job with $250 to $400 per month? The indonesian and filipino are okay with this...
4. There are huge needs for factory workers. Does Singaporean willing to take this job with only $800 - $1200 per month? The chinese are okay with it...
5. There are openings in IT business. Singaporean are okay with this kind of job, but they expect high salary and bonusses... However indonesian, malaysian, filipino, chinese, and the indians are okay with a slightly lower salary and longer worktime.
6. There is a huge demand in the shipyard industry and container ports. Singaporean does not want the jobs since it is dangerous and low paid. However, the bangladeshi and indians are okay with it.
IF the government kick out all foreigner from Singapore:
1. Construction company will be gone... meeting higher salary demand to hire a Singaporean will increase the overhead of the company. HDB flats will be more expensive since the cost of building it will be higher.
2. Hospital bill will be higher, since singaporean health worker expect higher salary.
3. No maids for you... except if you are willing to pay $15 per hour for a singaporean maid.
4. Manufacturing cost will be higher. Soon all manufacturer will move to Vietnam/China/Indonesia
5. Big IT companies will move out from Singapore. Small IT companies will be closed down since the overhead cost will be too high.
6. The shipyards and container ports will move to a cheaper place.
The correct thing to do:
1. Let the foreigner do the dirty jobs, they are willing to do it with low salary. Singaporean should aim themself to do a higher status jobs. Someone who are not capable of doing higher status job can either stay jobless or downgrade their expectation. It is THEIR choice.
2. Don't worry about the numbers of PRs here. For example, in Bahrain, one of the developed country in the middle east, the amount of PRs are 3 times of their citizen. A problem? NO. Bahrain is one of the most prosperous country in the middle east. -
the thing is : they took not just the LOW -end jobs....EVEn HIGH-ends .....
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needless to say....why dont they pay us the equivalent of their peanuts salary for us to do those jobs. im sure we dont mind.Originally posted by Kariage:These are the facts that you must see before condemning PAP:
1. there are huge needs for construction worker. Does singaporean willing to take this job with only $700 - $1000 per month? The bangladeshi and Pakistani are okay with this job.
2. There are huge needs for nurses in our healthcare system. Does singaporean willing to do this job? No, most Singaporean thinks this job is no good and low paid... But the Filipino are okay with this job.
3. There are huge demand for maids. Does Singaporean willing to take this job with $250 to $400 per month? The indonesian and filipino are okay with this...
4. There are huge needs for factory workers. Does Singaporean willing to take this job with only $800 - $1200 per month? The chinese are okay with it...
5. There are openings in IT business. Singaporean are okay with this kind of job, but they expect high salary and bonusses... However indonesian, malaysian, filipino, chinese, and the indians are okay with a slightly lower salary and longer worktime.
6. There is a huge demand in the shipyard industry and container ports. Singaporean does not want the jobs since it is dangerous and low paid. However, the bangladeshi and indians are okay with it.
IF the government kick out all foreigner from Singapore:
1. Construction company will be gone... meeting higher salary demand to hire a Singaporean will increase the overhead of the company. HDB flats will be more expensive since the cost of building it will be higher.
2. Hospital bill will be higher, since singaporean health worker expect higher salary.
3. No maids for you... except if you are willing to pay $15 per hour for a singaporean maid.
4. Manufacturing cost will be higher. Soon all manufacturer will move to Vietnam/China/Indonesia
5. Big IT companies will move out from Singapore. Small IT companies will be closed down since the overhead cost will be too high.
6. The shipyards and container ports will move to a cheaper place.
The correct thing to do:
1. Let the foreigner do the dirty jobs, they are willing to do it with low salary. Singaporean should aim themself to do a higher status jobs. Someone who are not capable of doing higher status job can either stay jobless or downgrade their expectation. It is THEIR choice.
2. Don't worry about the numbers of PRs here. For example, in Bahrain, one of the developed country in the middle east, the amount of PRs are 3 times of their citizen. A problem? NO. Bahrain is one of the most prosperous country in the middle east.
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the best part is......
singaporean have to obtain their degree at over sea! pay 100k for one stupid cerft! and those china or near by countries talented student will get sponsorship from our government! sigh sigh sigh......
for what i know, while studying at aust.... alot of oz was SPONSOR by their governemnt! but.... ppl like us cant get into local uni! coz... OUR RESULT SU.CK!
bo bian!..... lan lan have to go oversea and study!!! you say lah.... is this fair? we are singaporean and MY COUNTRY UNI WAS PACK OF OVERSEA PPL! AND I LAN LAN HAVE TO GO OVERSEA AND STUDY 
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good universities will not accept people with crap results, whether its nus or melbourne or cambridge.
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What do you suggest then? What type of “circumstances” is best for Singapore (in your opinion)?Originally posted by ShutterBug:One must also ask; "Why aren't locals taking these jobs that foreigners are so willing to take?" Well, for one, I cite the sheer number of highly or well educated people produced by the system. Do you think they'd settle for minial jobs? Does it tally with all the years of tertiary studies? Ok, so if a local excepts a lower salary and not be choosy. Do you think, a salary of $1500-$2000 (before CPF) can feed a family or take care of aging and sick parents??
(i haven't even mentioned the stupid policies in place governing the use of Medisafe and CPF!!)
With higher educational levels, almost everyone wants to be the boss. Then who's left to be the average employee? Also note that there are those who can't study for a variety of reasons, and hence have no choice but to compete foreigners for minial manual labour jobs.
Then after all this hardship of trying to make a living, we face even bleaker prospects as old citizens - no employers wants old workers due to high medical costs, or for whatever fasionable reasons.
Who the hell, do you think created such circumstances????
Classify Singaporean into different classes? Like : Well educated will get good job like Office Manager. Less well educated will have to do manual works like Street Sweeper. Both classes will get the same pay as the Ministers. All get peanuts?
You think this well work? I do not think so.
What is the alternative then?
If I cannot come out with an alternative, I will try to make the best of what is available and work within the existing system. I will make sure I am well educated, earn more than the average people and live above the average. This is call adaptation. -
thats why i have to go monashOriginally posted by vito_corleone:good universities will not accept people with crap results, whether its nus or melbourne or cambridge. 
but.... if im singaporean! and i dont even have a chance to be educate here.... dont you think thats something wrong some where? -
Yes, being able to adapt is good. But WHAT is left to adapt to, is quite another issue.Originally posted by PatrickLTH:What do you suggest then? What type of “circumstances” is best for Singapore (in your opinion)?
Classify Singaporean into different classes? Like : Well educated will get good job like Office Manager. Less well educated will have to do manual works like Street Sweeper. Both classes will get the same pay as the Ministers. All get peanuts?
You think this well work? I do not think so.
What is the alternative then?
If I cannot come out with an alternative, I will try to make the best of what is available and work within the existing system. I will make sure I am well educated, earn more than the average people and live above the average. This is call adaptation.
Also, even if one has achieved high level of education, then what? Once you pass 40 and 50 onwards, what's left for you in terms of jobs? Will you be happy being an intellectual and well educated but are only offered low end jobs?
I've got friends who were once GMs and Directors, now driving cabs and mini-buses to make ends meet!!! They were once the workforce that contributed to Singapore's economic growth! Now forgotten...
WTF! -
Just to give some hint, do you realize that there is a drastic decrease of Indian and Blangadish cleaning workers in the hawker centers now-a-day. They had been replaced by locals and the locals are being paid about S$1,000 per month. This explain partly why there is a recent hike in the price of drinks
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Stop your grouses and upgrade your skills in gorwing industries. We have well-paying jobs for fund managers and researchers in the biomedical industries but we cannot find enough people to fill them. That's why we have to import PhDs from overseas..Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, being able to adapt is good. But WHAT is left to adapt to, is quite another issue.
Also, even if one has achieved high level of education, then what? Once you pass 40 and 50 onwards, what's left for you in terms of jobs? Will you be happy being an intellectual and well educated but are only offered low end jobs?
I've got friends who were once GMs and Directors, now driving cabs and mini-buses to make ends meet!!! They were once the workforce that contributed to Singapore's economic growth! Now forgotten...
WTF!
We have no jobs for diagnostic radiologists...they have been outsourced. So doctors just have to undergo training all over again and move to a different speciality or accept lower pay as a GP.
Everyone faces global competition. What makes us so special? If you cannot compete you lose your job or accept lower salary... -
This bring to the point that one must learn to adapt, knowing that when one is pass 40 and 50 is considered over the hill, then one must learn and strive to save enough to retire at 40 and 50.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, being able to adapt is good. But WHAT is left to adapt to, is quite another issue.
Also, even if one has achieved high level of education, then what? Once you pass 40 and 50 onwards, what's left for you in terms of jobs? Will you be happy being an intellectual and well educated but are only offered low end jobs?
I've got friends who were once GMs and Directors, now driving cabs and mini-buses to make ends meet!!! They were once the workforce that contributed to Singapore's economic growth! Now forgotten...
WTF!
After which, one can take on as a taxi driver for pocket money and not as a career to make ends meet. For the same job, the state of mind of the taxi driver is different. The one driving for pocket money will be much happier than the one driving for a living.
I belief older workers are not forgotten but have to be push aside to make way for the younger one. This is a more desirable situation than many youngsters out of work and higher potential to create trouble in the streets.