environment change...ppl change...thats the logic......Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
Go to Jalan Besar, Chinatown and you will see the living wretched old man lives by scrapping and sleeving off old electrical wires of appliances to sell the copper as scrap,cutting out old carton boxes to sell etc... They struggle just to earn enough money for a day's meal..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
In democracy, every citizen has freedom of speech and assembly.. If they have a concern, they can voice it out.. In a dictatorship, they control the public media and silence your voices..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
Corruption is NOT merely about the taking of undertable money alone.. A truly innovative but GREEDY politician can circumvent that easily by legimitising 'undertable corruption'(illegal) in more ways than one when absolutely power is gained ie a grossly overpaid income (legal)..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
they wanna creative and people to join in views of politics but they also killed those who dare to stand up and speaks.Originally posted by Gwangetto:the PAP in fact wanted the people to be creative in their own ways and to strive for excellence in whatever things they do, and to have the never-say-die kind of spirit...
hmm, how many of us can do that?![]()
okay. politics aside, there are people who are creative in making it big on their own. it's either they're diligent, street smart or just plain determination.Originally posted by jusgal:they wanna creative and people to join in views of politics but they also killed those who dare to stand up and speaks.
seriously...are you interested in your living or the court case?Originally posted by gr2012:However, most people who "defame" the government do not have substantial proof at all. No accounts, no paperwork, no evidence. They just present suspicions of such activities in their magazine.
We'll see how corrupted the government is when the court case continues.
Guys, it is not as if the opposition parties are any better.
haha... yea lor. same old verse: It's not about the parties, it's about YOUR future.Originally posted by gr2012:However, most people who "defame" the government do not have substantial proof at all. No accounts, no paperwork, no evidence. They just present suspicions of such activities in their magazine.
We'll see how corrupted the government is when the court case continues.
Guys, it is not as if the opposition parties are any better.
Dude! Once in 5 years we get to complain! It's all pented up u know?Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
If in the event of executing a full blown democracy, law and order turns hay wire and investors get turn off by political instabilty and millions citizens lost jobs as a results. Would u still say that democracy is really an ideal system? Ironically, I am not an authoritarian but a democrat however I respect the law. The democratic process must live on but care have to be ensure that citizens do not vote for the wrong person who cannot perform in parliament it seem however that partial democracy works better in a small country like ours.Originally posted by caramon.:In democracy, every citizen has freedom of speech and assembly.. If they have a concern, they can voice it out.. In a dictatorship, they control the public media and silence your voices..
In a dictatorship, the circus parliament will ignore your problems.. In a dictatorship, the leaders get to keep their job even if they cannot deliver or perform poorly.. They will continue to get millions of salary even if economy declines..
This authoritarian system in SG must not remain any longer.. SG was a thriving port even before LKY became PM, and that was even after the British shipped the profits back to their queen.. SG is not 'from nothing' as most of the forumers here will like to believe.. it has everything back then..
Are you trying to tell us that SG was a forsaken desert when LKY took control?
I am interested more in my living...can't be bothered about CSJ and his croonies.Originally posted by duotiga83:seriously...are you interested in your living or the court case?![]()
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i wld rather void the vote rather than voting them or vote to the "basless and no experience" oppo partyOriginally posted by gr2012:I am interested more in my living...can't be bothered about CSJ and his croonies.
But the court case will show us how much proof those guys have.
It is common sense lar, basically. If you do not have proof, then don't anyhow accuse.
So I am seeing that problem seems to be the accountablility and transparency and the ministers' "million dollar salaries".
Hmm...so why don't we ask the MPs next time?
Resident: "Mr Lee...can you tell me...HOW MUCH DO YOU TAKE PER MONTH?"
LHL: "Oh, it's very simple. About *Censored* dollars per month."
Resident:![]()
look at usa or japan. they have many opposition members as well, why investors from oversea still have confidence in them. i find if pap is first class, they shouldnt be worry the pressure the growth of opposition.Originally posted by TooFree:If in the event of executing a full blown democracy, law and order turns hay wire and investors get turn off by political instabilty and millions citizens lost jobs as a results. Would u still say that democracy is really an ideal system? Ironically, I am not an authoritarian but a democrat however I respect the law. The democratic process must live on but care have to be ensure that citizens do not vote for the wrong person who cannot perform in parliament it seem however that partial democracy works better in a small country like ours.
The control of media and is not without merits in this aspect to prevent full weightage of the cons of democracy in a small island like ours.
The ideal of transparency and democracy lies in revamping the political system itself without having to vote for ' riffraff ' into the parliament.