Why all the hatred?
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I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain? -
Metropolis? We haven't reach that state.
No beggars? How long have you not stepped on the streets? -
if our lives are good, why are there still pple suffer from depression, under stress, suicide, n hardship?
do u know there are pple selling tissue n picking empty drink cans to earn extra income? -
environment change...ppl change...thats the logic......Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain? -
the PAP in fact wanted the people to be creative in their own ways and to strive for excellence in whatever things they do, and to have the never-say-die kind of spirit...
hmm, how many of us can do that?
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Go to Jalan Besar, Chinatown and you will see the living wretched old man lives by scrapping and sleeving off old electrical wires of appliances to sell the copper as scrap,cutting out old carton boxes to sell etc... They struggle just to earn enough money for a day's meal..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
It is a day to day survivor for many peasants out there.. everything seems to be going down-hill.. It doesn't help with our very own propaganda state controlled !!^^ times, where information is often doctored, and people are mis-inform of what's the real situation..
We can see many tents being put up at east coast, where those poor peasants call it their home.. something that does not happen in the past..Look around your neighbourhood blocks at night. See how many flats remain dark.. With many unemployed, bankruptcy is at a record high..
All is definately not well with singaporeans.. But NO.. many still live in self denial mode and put on blinkers of cosmetic to show...
With only a small minority who flash their high lifestyle, it is often depicted as the lifestyle of the general singaporean population as a whole... -
In democracy, every citizen has freedom of speech and assembly.. If they have a concern, they can voice it out.. In a dictatorship, they control the public media and silence your voices..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
In a dictatorship, the circus parliament will ignore your problems.. In a dictatorship, the leaders get to keep their job even if they cannot deliver or perform poorly.. They will continue to get millions of salary even if economy declines..
This authoritarian system in SG must not remain any longer.. SG was a thriving port even before LKY became PM, and that was even after the British shipped the profits back to their queen.. SG is not 'from nothing' as most of the forumers here will like to believe.. it has everything back then..
Are you trying to tell us that SG was a forsaken desert when LKY took control? -
Corruption is NOT merely about the taking of undertable money alone.. A truly innovative but GREEDY politician can circumvent that easily by legimitising 'undertable corruption'(illegal) in more ways than one when absolutely power is gained ie a grossly overpaid income (legal)..Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
Being the highest paid politicians in the world that is NOT proportionate to the size of the country (be it geographically or demographically) governed or the GDP it produces in comparison to others in the world, I proclaimed PAP style is legalised corruption..
In democracy, people can hold their govt accountable for their actions, but the moment you do that in singapore, you will be identify, arrest without a trial, make a bankrupt or worse, sent you to IMH for observation.. -
they wanna creative and people to join in views of politics but they also killed those who dare to stand up and speaks.Originally posted by Gwangetto:the PAP in fact wanted the people to be creative in their own ways and to strive for excellence in whatever things they do, and to have the never-say-die kind of spirit...
hmm, how many of us can do that? -
okay. politics aside, there are people who are creative in making it big on their own. it's either they're diligent, street smart or just plain determination.Originally posted by jusgal:they wanna creative and people to join in views of politics but they also killed those who dare to stand up and speaks.
i think these people r what the PAP favours more.
yet.. there're certain side of them which is quite disapproving to us. but then, in politics, it is always dirty. -
However, most people who "defame" the government do not have substantial proof at all. No accounts, no paperwork, no evidence. They just present suspicions of such activities in their magazine.
We'll see how corrupted the government is when the court case continues.
Guys, it is not as if the opposition parties are any better. -
seriously...are you interested in your living or the court case?Originally posted by gr2012:However, most people who "defame" the government do not have substantial proof at all. No accounts, no paperwork, no evidence. They just present suspicions of such activities in their magazine.
We'll see how corrupted the government is when the court case continues.
Guys, it is not as if the opposition parties are any better.
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haha... yea lor. same old verse: It's not about the parties, it's about YOUR future.Originally posted by gr2012:However, most people who "defame" the government do not have substantial proof at all. No accounts, no paperwork, no evidence. They just present suspicions of such activities in their magazine.
We'll see how corrupted the government is when the court case continues.
Guys, it is not as if the opposition parties are any better.
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Dude! Once in 5 years we get to complain! It's all pented up u know?Originally posted by gr2012:I was wondering...why is it that so many forumers hate the goverment so much?
You know, many are complaining about walkovers, minister salaries, defamation suits...what is all that for?
Without LKY and his team, we would not be what we are today, will we? A vibrant 1st world metropolis with 1st class standards.
Why is it that everyone hates the PAP so much?
Our lives are good, aren't they? Everyone has a house of his own, everyone is quite well to do, there aren't any beggars in the streets, etc.
Why? Can you guys please explain?
It's like having sex once in 5 years......
Will you give it a good go or not?
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Tho government controls all information. Even if there would if there are problems, it would not be easy to uncover.
Remember how an Emeritus Economic Professor in NTU got slammed by the government some years back?
The government controlled all the data that can be presented as evidence. Even the academia cannot get sufficient information, how can others presents "facts" when they are all controlled by the government?
Thats is why we want a more transparent and accountable government. -
haha.. so all u voting for oppositions?
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We are the new poor lor. Unless u r the elite, u wun have a gd life in singapore. after we grad, we will be burden by loan payments, housing payments.
The so called feedback system in singapore. If you got something against some organsiation to say, b4 it reached the top, ur complains are already being dismissed away. Then will threaten u. -
that is what politic is about--> sth like rule and regulation.
As people change politic change, environment change like vicious cycle.
there are hatred and love, fro and con , nth is perfect!
but i must say it is quite interesting to see them debate. Opposition say they are the gan si du!
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I guess you can appreciate all the PAP has done, I do. However, that is the past, we are not voting for histroy, but for the future.
U said my friend that, I quote 'The opposition is no better.' Fact is, you have tacitly agreed that the government does present some flaws right?
That said, I believe we are all Singaporeans, we have our own views and it is our perogative to do so. Let us respect the views of one and all, be it different, and work towards building a better home for all of us to live in irregardless of the outcome later. One people, one nation, one Singapore
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If in the event of executing a full blown democracy, law and order turns hay wire and investors get turn off by political instabilty and millions citizens lost jobs as a results. Would u still say that democracy is really an ideal system? Ironically, I am not an authoritarian but a democrat however I respect the law. The democratic process must live on but care have to be ensure that citizens do not vote for the wrong person who cannot perform in parliament it seem however that partial democracy works better in a small country like ours.Originally posted by caramon.:In democracy, every citizen has freedom of speech and assembly.. If they have a concern, they can voice it out.. In a dictatorship, they control the public media and silence your voices..
In a dictatorship, the circus parliament will ignore your problems.. In a dictatorship, the leaders get to keep their job even if they cannot deliver or perform poorly.. They will continue to get millions of salary even if economy declines..
This authoritarian system in SG must not remain any longer.. SG was a thriving port even before LKY became PM, and that was even after the British shipped the profits back to their queen.. SG is not 'from nothing' as most of the forumers here will like to believe.. it has everything back then..
Are you trying to tell us that SG was a forsaken desert when LKY took control?
The control of media and is not without merits in this aspect to prevent full weightage of the cons of democracy in a small island like ours.
The ideal of transparency and democracy lies in revamping the political system itself without having to vote for ' riffraff ' into the parliament. -
I am interested more in my living...can't be bothered about CSJ and his croonies.Originally posted by duotiga83:seriously...are you interested in your living or the court case?
But the court case will show us how much proof those guys have.
It is common sense lar, basically. If you do not have proof, then don't anyhow accuse.
So I am seeing that problem seems to be the accountablility and transparency and the ministers' "million dollar salaries".
Hmm...so why don't we ask the MPs next time?
Resident: "Mr Lee...can you tell me...HOW MUCH DO YOU TAKE PER MONTH?"
LHL: "Oh, it's very simple. About *Censored* dollars per month."
Resident:
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i wld rather void the vote rather than voting them or vote to the "basless and no experience" oppo partyOriginally posted by gr2012:I am interested more in my living...can't be bothered about CSJ and his croonies.
But the court case will show us how much proof those guys have.
It is common sense lar, basically. If you do not have proof, then don't anyhow accuse.
So I am seeing that problem seems to be the accountablility and transparency and the ministers' "million dollar salaries".
Hmm...so why don't we ask the MPs next time?
Resident: "Mr Lee...can you tell me...HOW MUCH DO YOU TAKE PER MONTH?"
LHL: "Oh, it's very simple. About *Censored* dollars per month."
Resident:
2 choice for me
void
or oppo -
look at usa or japan. they have many opposition members as well, why investors from oversea still have confidence in them. i find if pap is first class, they shouldnt be worry the pressure the growth of opposition.Originally posted by TooFree:If in the event of executing a full blown democracy, law and order turns hay wire and investors get turn off by political instabilty and millions citizens lost jobs as a results. Would u still say that democracy is really an ideal system? Ironically, I am not an authoritarian but a democrat however I respect the law. The democratic process must live on but care have to be ensure that citizens do not vote for the wrong person who cannot perform in parliament it seem however that partial democracy works better in a small country like ours.
The control of media and is not without merits in this aspect to prevent full weightage of the cons of democracy in a small island like ours.
The ideal of transparency and democracy lies in revamping the political system itself without having to vote for ' riffraff ' into the parliament.
somemore our pm still has to be spoon-feed by his dad n relatives n m&m... first class? -
think is a sense of justice. big bully small. biased media. haolian jiak kangkong.
the internet also opened many eyes that singapore old/past/historic skeletons in closet and the impression of clean and fine is forever changed.
also a sense of growing up. have a mind of own. stop caning us!
also these 9 days we are the boss! they are under us!
but only 9 days, the next 1825 days we opposite.