So difficult for Msian students in Spore
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he does not stay there, so he does not know the full situation. Up to you to believe something told to you by someone who does not even live in the place he is talking abtOriginally posted by Chelzea:According to my spore malay fren ,he say malaysia in no place for chinese ,be it singaporean or malaysian chinese
He say chinese always kana targeted against for crime 
BTW ,he is a pal of mine 
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moe should cash in and build some singapore school in jb.
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ppl talk things that they themselves dont even know...Originally posted by rainee:he does not stay there, so he does not know the full situation. Up to you to believe something told to you by someone who does not even live in the place he is talking abt
gossip here gossip there..
news started as "A" was admitted into the hospital for suspected denggi....gossip gossip gossip>>>then finally bcum...."A" was a prostitute..working in geylang...died of hiv...
see my pt..sorry if this was offending... -
Dont noe lah,but wen i read strait times ,like every other day gt crime liddat...very scaryOriginally posted by blackchickenahkai:ppl talk things that they themselves dont even know...
gossip here gossip there..
news started as "A" was admitted into the hospital for suspected denggi....gossip gossip gossip>>>then finally bcum...."A" was a prostitute..working in geylang...died of hiv...
see my pt..sorry if this was offending...
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as if la....Originally posted by Chelzea:Dont noe lah,but wen i read strait times ,like every other day gt crime liddat...very scary
u read chinese papers is it? -
cant always believe wat they wrote in the paperOriginally posted by Chelzea:Dont noe lah,but wen i read strait times ,like every other day gt crime liddat...very scary 
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but malaysian national policies and civil servants are openly racist anti-chinese.Originally posted by rainee:cant always believe wat they wrote in the paper
is that correct? -
Name them in the public provided you got evidence, else better stop all speculation.Originally posted by boy in blues:but malaysian national policies and civil servants are openly racist anti-chinese.
is that correct? -
u can be sued..Originally posted by boy in blues:but malaysian national policies and civil servants are openly racist anti-chinese.
is that correct?
beware -
Bumiputra or Bumiputera (Sanskrit, translated literally, it means "sons of the Earth"; Malay, translated literally, it means "princes of the Earth" ), is an official definition widely used in Malaysia, embracing ethnic Malays as well as other indigenous ethnic groups.
Public questioning of rights
At the 55th annual general assembly of the largest political party in Malaysia, the United Malays National Organisation, the deputy chairperson Badruddin Amiruldin cautioned against questioning the Bumiputra's special rights, and was met with approval from the delegates: "Let no one from the other races ever question the rights of Malays on this land. DonÂ’t question the religion because this is my right on this land."
Definition
In Malaysia, by convention, it is generally considered that all Malays are Bumiputras and that all Bumiputras are Malay. This is technically incorrect, as there are cases of non-Malays declared as Bumiputra, and similarly of non-Muslim Malays who are considered Bumiputra. However, the definition of Bumiputra clearly excludes ethnic Chinese. However, other indigenous groups are included as Bumiputra including the Iban and other Bornean groups.
This confusion is compounded by the fact that different ministries of the government may have different definitions themselves. What is not obscure is that preferential treatment of Bumiputras versus other races is built into the Malaysian Constitution. Racial policies were a major component of Mahathir bin Mohamad's policies during his tenure as Prime Minister from 1981 until 2003.
Bumiputras were given special rights in the constitution after the Malays agreed to share political power with minorities, including the Chinese, as a prerequisite to gaining independence from British rule. Many of the non-Malays at that time were first and second generation migrants who had been brought by the British to fill colonial manpower needs as indentured labourers, a form of limited-term post-emancipation slavery, and the Malays were facing a situation where they were close to a minority in their own country. The Malaysian Federal Constitution has clauses specifically addressing the area of Malay rights but does not explicitly protect any Bumiputra rights per se. Article 153 states that:
"the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (The King of Malaysia) shall exercise his functions... in such a manner as may be necessary to safeguard the special position of the Malays... to ensure the reservation... of such proportion... in the public service... and of scholarships... and other similar educational... privileges or special facilities given... by the Federal Government".
The constitution defines a Malay as being one who "professes the religion of Islam, habitually speaks the Malay language, conforms to Malay customs and is the child of at least one parent who was born within the Federation of Malaysia before independence on the 31st of August 1957".
The word "Bumiputra" was first used in Parliament in 1965 during the debate of the act which would create the Majlis Amanah Rakyat (MARA), a government agency formed to preserve Bumiputra interests. [1]
Policy
Some institutes of higher learning, such as the Open University Malaysia, have enacted admission policies favouring Bumiputra students.Certain pro-bumiputra policies known as the Bumiputra Laws exist as a means of affirmative action for bumiputras. Such policies include quotas for the following: admission to government educational institutions, qualification for public scholarships, positions in government and ownership in business. Most of them were established in the Malaysian New Economic Policy (NEP). Examples of such policies include:
Companies listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (Bursa Saham Kuala Lumpur) must find Bumiputras to take up a minimum 30% of equity to satisfy listing requirements. MSC status companies listed on MESDAQ (Malaysia's latest stock exchange, modelled on the NASDAQ and other 'tech' stock exchanges) are not subject to this requirement.
A certain percentage of new housing in any development has to be sold to Bumiputra owners. Housing developers are required to provide a minimum 7% discount to Bumiputra buyers of these lots. There is no bumiputra discount on established housing.
A basket of government guaranteed and run mutual funds are available for purchase by Bumiputra buyers only.
Many government tendered projects require that companies submitting tenders be bumiputra owned. This requirement has led to non-Bumiputras teaming up with Bumiputra companies to obtain projects in a practice known as "Ali Baba" where Ali (the Bumiputra) exists solely to satisfy this requirement and Baba (the non Bumiputra) gives Ali a certain sum in exchange.
Projects were earmarked for Malay contractors to gain expertise in various fields. Often these projects would be sold as the bidders were not interested in the work, only in the gains that could be made from winning such a tender.
Approved Permits (APs) for automobiles preferentially allow Bumiputra to import vehicles. Automotive companies wishing to bring in cars need to have an AP to do so. APs were originally created to allow Bumiputra participation in the automotive industry since they were issued to companies with at least 70% Bumiputra ownership. In 2004, the Edge (a business newspaper) estimated that APs were worth approximately RM 35,000 a piece. They also estimated that Nasimuddin Amin, chairman of the Naza group received 6,387 for 2003, making him the largest recipient of APs. 12,234 APs were issued in 2003. In addition to APs, foreign car marquees are required to pay between 140% to 300% as an import duty.
Most of these advantages only exist in public policy. Private sector implementation is often to satisfy legal requirements and is considered by some to be mere tokenism.
In addition to the above economic advantages, Bumiputras also receive other privileges in public tertiary education:
Racial quotas exist for entry into public education. In 2004, Dr. Shafie Salleh, the newly appointed Higher Education Minister, stated that he "will ensure the quota of Malay students' entry into universities is always higher". This was demonstrated in 2004 when Non-Bumiputra students who scored 5As in the STPM (the highest possible grade) were denied admission to their first choice of study in public universities while Bumiputra students with lesser grades were nonetheless admitted.
Since 2000, the Government has discussed phasing out certain advantages, and reinstating a "meritocracy". The eventual result was the system of "Malaysian model meritocracy" begun in 2003. In the implementation, admission to public universities was not based upon a common examination like the SAT or A-Levels but rather upon two parallel systems of a one-year matriculation course and a two-year STPM (literally translated as "Malaysian Higher School Certificate (disambiguation)" ) programme. Bumiputras compose an overwhelming majority of entrants to the matriculation programme, leading to some complaints from the public, as the public university entry requirements are suggested to be easier for matriculation students.
Quotas also exist for Public Services Department (JPA) scholarships, which are full scholarships offered to students to study in leading universities worldwide. These scholarships are given on the basis of SPM (translated as "Malaysian Education Certificate", the equivalent of O-Levels) results, race and certain quotas. The JPA scholars then are sent to selected pre-university programmes offered by the government — from there, they apply to universities. -
Bumiputra part 2.
Legitimacy of special rights
Bumiputra privileges and quotas are based on article 153 of the constitution which states that : 'It shall be the responsibility of the Yang di Pertuan Agong to safeguard the special position of the Malays and the legitimate interests of other communities in accordance with the provisions of this Article'. Malaysia is a constitutional monarchy hence the responsibilities of the YDP are regarded as the responsibilities of the state.
Clause 5 of article 153 specifically reaffirms article 136 of the constitution which states: 'All persons of whatever race in the same grade in the service of the Federation shall, subject to the terms and conditions of their employment, be treated impartially.'
Clause 9 of article 153 states 'Nothing in this Article shall empower Parliament to restrict business or trade solely for the purpose of reservations for Malays.'
Article 89 of the constitution (clause 2) states: 'Except as expressly authorised by this Constitution, there shall be no discrimination against citizens on the ground only of religion, race, descent or place of birth in any law or in the appointment to any office or employment under a public authority or in the administration of any law relating to the acquisition, holding or disposition of property or the establishing or carrying on of any trade, business, profession, vocation or employment.'
Controversy
The Bumiputra laws stand out as an unusual public policy where preferential actions benefit the majority race of a country, and some argue that the advantages afforded to bumiputras border on outright racism. Others argue that the Malaysian situation at the time the policy was introduced — where a minority ethnic group widely regarded as non-native controlled most of the locally-owned sector of the economy, due in no small part to colonial legacies which had assisted Chinese migrants to become dominant in the business sector to the point that Malays were largely excluded from economic life, other than as subsistence farmers, small-scale fishermen, and laborers — was an unusual and deeply unstable situation. The government also argues that the legal and economic advantages are necessary for Malaysia to reduce ethnic conflict. The NEP, in particular, was spurred by large racial riots on May 13, 1969.
Another controversial aspect is that the Orang Asli of peninsular Malaysia are not considered Bumiputra under the Federal constitution. As their settlement predates that of the Malays, this is considered unfair by many, especially as they are also much worse off than the Malays. As such, various groups including SUHAKAM, the Malaysian Commission of Human Rights have called for the government to recognise Orang Asli as Bumiputra [1] Others argue that the Orang Asli are in fact considered bumiputera [2]
Early debate
In the 1965 session of Parliament of Malaysia, Singapore's Chief Minister Lee Kuan Yew, who subsequently became the Prime Minister of an independent Singapore on 9 August 1965, questioned the implementation of Malay rights as proposed. Lee asked, "How does the Malay in the kampong find his way out into this modernised civil society? By becoming servants of the 0.3 per cent who would have the money to hire them to clean their shoe, open their motorcar doors?" and "How does telling a Malay bus driver that he should support the party of his Malay director (UMNO) and the Chinese bus conductor to join another party of his Chinese director (MCA) — how does that improve the standards of the Malay bus driver and the Chinese bus conductor who are both workers in the same company?"
Lee closed with "Meanwhile, whenever there is a failure of economic, social and educational policies, you come back and say, oh, these wicked Chinese, Indian and others opposing Malay rights. They don't oppose Malay rights. They, the Malay, have the right as Malaysian citizens to go up to the level of training and education that the more competitive societies, the non-Malay society, has produced. That is what must be done, isn't it? Not to feed them with this obscurantist doctrine that all they have got to do is to get Malay rights for the few special Malays and their problem has been resolved."
It soon became clear that the PAP's campaign for a Malaysian Malaysia under the Malaysian Solidarity Convention as an indirect challenge against the racial policies was not well received by the ruling Alliance, led by the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO). Amidst the escalating communal issues in the state of Singapore, and the problems regarding the persistent neglect of the Federal Government concerning the economy of Singapore, Lee announced Singapore's separation from Malaysia on 9 August 1965, hours after the Malaysian Prime Minister, made a similar announcement in the Malaysian Parliament.
Education
In 2004, Mohd. Johari Baharum, parliamentary secretary of the Prime Minister's Department, stated that the PSD scholarships would remain quota based. He added that there were no plans to convert this to a merit based system, and that the total value of the PSD scholarship since 1996 was 2.4 billion Ringgit. [3] There have been reported cases of students who failed to get PSD scholarships, but were later admitted to leading universities. -
If they find it so troublesome, they can stay in Malaysia and study there. No disputes.
IMO what we can do, as suggested by other forumnites is to build a Singapore-based education facility in Malaysia. The curriculum will be based on our nation's.
One problem I foresee is to get enough local teachers who are willing to go over to teach, as the problem of travelling across the border arises again. The school fees might also be significantly higher since there will not be any government subsidy. -
Originally posted by boy in blues: I saluate you if you are generous land lord that gives a piece of land to the tenant.
Who is the original owner of the land? The land lord or the tenants? I am hearing land lord regretted for did not gave a piece of land to the tenant
Go for DNA, who knows you may be royal blood .. then we can ask for a piece of land from you -
u talk c0ck la..Originally posted by boy in blues:Bumiputra or Bumiputera (Sanskrit, translated literally, it means "sons of the Earth"; Malay, translated literally, it means "princes of the Earth" ), is an official definition widely used in Malaysia, embracing ethnic Malays as well as other indigenous ethnic groups.
Public questioning of rights
At the 55th annual general assembly of the largest political party in Malaysia, the United Malays National Organisation, the deputy chairperson Badruddin Amiruldin cautioned against questioning the Bumiputra's special rights, and was met with approval from the delegates: "Let no one from the other races ever question the rights of Malays on this land. DonÂ’t question the religion because this is my right on this land."
Definition
In Malaysia, by convention, it is generally considered that all Malays are Bumiputras and that all Bumiputras are Malay. This is technically incorrect, as there are cases of non-Malays declared as Bumiputra, and similarly of non-Muslim Malays who are considered Bumiputra. However, the definition of Bumiputra clearly excludes ethnic Chinese. However, other indigenous groups are included as Bumiputra including the Iban and other Bornean groups.
This confusion is compounded by the fact that different ministries of the government may have different definitions themselves. What is not obscure is that preferential treatment of Bumiputras versus other races is built into the Malaysian Constitution. Racial policies were a major component of Mahathir bin Mohamad's policies during his tenure as Prime Minister from 1981 until 2003.
Bumiputras were given special rights in the constitution after the Malays agreed to share political power with minorities, including the Chinese, as a prerequisite to gaining independence from British rule. Many of the non-Malays at that time were first and second generation migrants who had been brought by the British to fill colonial manpower needs as indentured labourers, a form of limited-term post-emancipation slavery, and the Malays were facing a situation where they were close to a minority in their own country. The Malaysian Federal Constitution has clauses specifically addressing the area of Malay rights but does not explicitly protect any Bumiputra rights per se. Article 153 states that:
"the Yang di-Pertuan Agong (The King of Malaysia) shall exercise his functions... in such a manner as may be necessary to safeguard the special position of the Malays... to ensure the reservation... of such proportion... in the public service... and of scholarships... and other similar educational... privileges or special facilities given... by the Federal Government".
The constitution defines a Malay as being one who "professes the religion of Islam, habitually speaks the Malay language, conforms to Malay customs and is the child of at least one parent who was born within the Federation of Malaysia before independence on the 31st of August 1957".
The word "Bumiputra" was first used in Parliament in 1965 during the debate of the act which would create the Majlis Amanah Rakyat (MARA), a government agency formed to preserve Bumiputra interests. [1]
Policy
Some institutes of higher learning, such as the Open University Malaysia, have enacted admission policies favouring Bumiputra students.Certain pro-bumiputra policies known as the Bumiputra Laws exist as a means of affirmative action for bumiputras. Such policies include quotas for the following: admission to government educational institutions, qualification for public scholarships, positions in government and ownership in business. Most of them were established in the Malaysian New Economic Policy (NEP). Examples of such policies include:
Companies listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (Bursa Saham Kuala Lumpur) must find Bumiputras to take up a minimum 30% of equity to satisfy listing requirements. MSC status companies listed on MESDAQ (Malaysia's latest stock exchange, modelled on the NASDAQ and other 'tech' stock exchanges) are not subject to this requirement.
A certain percentage of new housing in any development has to be sold to Bumiputra owners. Housing developers are required to provide a minimum 7% discount to Bumiputra buyers of these lots. There is no bumiputra discount on established housing.
A basket of government guaranteed and run mutual funds are available for purchase by Bumiputra buyers only.
Many government tendered projects require that companies submitting tenders be bumiputra owned. This requirement has led to non-Bumiputras teaming up with Bumiputra companies to obtain projects in a practice known as "Ali Baba" where Ali (the Bumiputra) exists solely to satisfy this requirement and Baba (the non Bumiputra) gives Ali a certain sum in exchange.
Projects were earmarked for Malay contractors to gain expertise in various fields. Often these projects would be sold as the bidders were not interested in the work, only in the gains that could be made from winning such a tender.
Approved Permits (APs) for automobiles preferentially allow Bumiputra to import vehicles. Automotive companies wishing to bring in cars need to have an AP to do so. APs were originally created to allow Bumiputra participation in the automotive industry since they were issued to companies with at least 70% Bumiputra ownership. In 2004, the Edge (a business newspaper) estimated that APs were worth approximately RM 35,000 a piece. They also estimated that Nasimuddin Amin, chairman of the Naza group received 6,387 for 2003, making him the largest recipient of APs. 12,234 APs were issued in 2003. In addition to APs, foreign car marquees are required to pay between 140% to 300% as an import duty.
Most of these advantages only exist in public policy. Private sector implementation is often to satisfy legal requirements and is considered by some to be mere tokenism.
In addition to the above economic advantages, Bumiputras also receive other privileges in public tertiary education:
Racial quotas exist for entry into public education. In 2004, Dr. Shafie Salleh, the newly appointed Higher Education Minister, stated that he "will ensure the quota of Malay students' entry into universities is always higher". This was demonstrated in 2004 when Non-Bumiputra students who scored 5As in the STPM (the highest possible grade) were denied admission to their first choice of study in public universities while Bumiputra students with lesser grades were nonetheless admitted.
Since 2000, the Government has discussed phasing out certain advantages, and reinstating a "meritocracy". The eventual result was the system of "Malaysian model meritocracy" begun in 2003. In the implementation, admission to public universities was not based upon a common examination like the SAT or A-Levels but rather upon two parallel systems of a one-year matriculation course and a two-year STPM (literally translated as "Malaysian Higher School Certificate (disambiguation)" ) programme. Bumiputras compose an overwhelming majority of entrants to the matriculation programme, leading to some complaints from the public, as the public university entry requirements are suggested to be easier for matriculation students.
Quotas also exist for Public Services Department (JPA) scholarships, which are full scholarships offered to students to study in leading universities worldwide. These scholarships are given on the basis of SPM (translated as "Malaysian Education Certificate", the equivalent of O-Levels) results, race and certain quotas. The JPA scholars then are sent to selected pre-university programmes offered by the government — from there, they apply to universities.
bumiputra was never meant to be chinese or indians or anyrace ..
bumiputra means taht..the original inhabitants of this land..which in this case..is the malays...
other taht that..i strongly agree that metriculation IS NOT..i repeat..IS NOT the SAME level as STPM!.and hence!...how can u give palces according to this?definately metriculation students which in this case...is mostly from..ahem ahem...will far out numbered in the JPA scholarship..
i ask u...
a student who enters into a fully paid for education..tuition..hostels..etc etc....(A)
vs a student who is on his own..(B)
who will fared better?
common sense definately will point out that student A will fared better than student B..
* pls take note...have a look at the percentage of each race taking STPM...u will see my point....*
then u must wonder..where are all the..AHEM..ahem?....answers lies in the metriculation system...
now lets look at the metriculation system...wow...why so many of this AHEM AHEM one?others le?....all in STPM..
hence..this is TOTALLY NOT A FAIR system. loop sided...how can they choose this kind of system..why not all of them study STPM.?...well the answer is taht...... (see the % passsing rate of those ahem ahem who choose to study STPM)...
case closed...
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disclamir...
i am not talking about any country in any of my comments..
i was just speaking of a non-exisant country..
if any part of my comments resembles anything in this world..it's pure luck.. -
since they have already given up their former citizenship for singaporean, we don't have any more reason to doubt their allegiance than that of our s'pore-born especially those who run to australia to escape NS. malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese foreign talents are discriminated in their own countries and will never realize their full potential there. they will instead flee to favorite destination australia. why don't singapore intercept australia and offer these talented so-called 'refugees' safe haven and assimilate them into our talent-hungry 'meritocratic' s'pore system where our sole asset is human resource?Originally posted by gohkatkat:ho ho ho.......i don't think i want to do that;.......to make them loyal because they have no choice.......is a bit unnatural.........this is suppressed behaviour..............who knows.............maybe one day you might find that they have some route out of this system and then the very next moment you have a chopper up your neck........this i won't want to see.............
malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese having experienced racism in their own countries will appreciate that singapore values them more than their own countries and in turn cherish singapore citizenship more than the minority of our NSF who yet to experience discrimination, are ever ready to AWOL to australia. as my super rich indonesian-chinese friend shared with me, she'd rather migrate and raise family in s'pore than australia because chinese is majority ethnic group in singapore and hence she feels more familiar, secure and politically represented here despite high cost of living and hectic lifestyle.
hope you don't reject them
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Originally posted by boy in blues:since they have already given up their former citizenship for singaporean, we don't have any more reason to doubt their allegiance than that of our s'pore-born especially those who run to australia to escape NS. malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese foreign talents are discriminated in their own countries and will never realize their full potential there. they will instead flee to favorite destination australia. why don't singapore intercept australia and offer these talented so-called 'refugees' safe haven and assimilate them into our talent-hungry 'meritocratic' s'pore system where our sole asset is human resource?
malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese having experienced racism in their own countries will appreciate that singapore values them more than their own countries and in turn cherish singapore citizenship more than the minority of our NSF who yet to experience discrimination, are ever ready to AWOL to australia. as my super rich indonesian-chinese friend shared with me, she'd rather migrate and raise family in s'pore than australia because chinese is majority ethnic group in singapore and hence she feels more familiar, secure and politically represented here despite high cost of living and hectic lifestyle.
hope you don't reject them We are talking root now...if she don't love her root, how can I expect her to love my. I love singapore.. -
1st of all.....Originally posted by king108: We are talking root now...if she don't love her root, how can I expect her to love my. I love singapore..
i doubt not your love for s'pore.
my indonesian-chinese friend is now singapore citizen.
her indonesian citizenship is no longer valid and scrapped officially.
now she has no root but s'pore.
naturally she must love s'pore as much as you.
she was decisive enough to dis-associate herself from indonesia altogether.
and since she's ethnic chinese, she has neither ethnic nor religious link to indonesia -
Chinese Indonesian received more jialat treatment than Chinese Malaysian.Originally posted by boy in blues:since they have already given up their former citizenship for singaporean, we don't have any more reason to doubt their allegiance than that of our s'pore-born especially those who run to australia to escape NS. malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese foreign talents are discriminated in their own countries and will never realize their full potential there. they will instead flee to favorite destination australia. why don't singapore intercept australia and offer these talented so-called 'refugees' safe haven and assimilate them into our talent-hungry 'meritocratic' s'pore system where our sole asset is human resource?
malaysian-chinese and indonesian-chinese having experienced racism in their own countries will appreciate that singapore values them more than their own countries and in turn cherish singapore citizenship more than the minority of our NSF who yet to experience discrimination, are ever ready to AWOL to australia. as my super rich indonesian-chinese friend shared with me, she'd rather migrate and raise family in s'pore than australia because chinese is majority ethnic group in singapore and hence she feels more familiar, secure and politically represented here despite high cost of living and hectic lifestyle.
hope you don't reject them
I went to Malaysia n felt Malaysia is a better country than Indonesia. -
sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhOriginally posted by will4:Chinese Indonesian received more jialat treatment than Chinese Malaysian.
I went to Malaysia n felt Malaysia is a better country than Indonesia. -
thanks for confirming.Originally posted by will4:Chinese Indonesian received more jialat treatment than Chinese Malaysian.
I went to Malaysia n felt Malaysia is a better country than Indonesia.
i also agree that indonesia is a far more racist country than even malaysia
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sssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,Originally posted by boy in blues:thanks for confirming.
i also agree that indonesia is a far more farked-up country than even malaysia
u dont wan suicide bombers targeting u.. -
I also from Indonesia n please do not miunderstood I being disloyal. Chinese inOriginally posted by boy in blues:thanks for confirming.
i also agree that indonesia is a far more farked-up country than even malaysia
Malaysia can learn n study Chinese. In Indonesia, forget about it. -
yr country of origin....... farkers...Originally posted by will4:I also from Indonesia n please do not miunderstood I being disloyal. Chinese in
Malaysia can learn n study Chinese. In Indonesia, forget about it.
u will have a better chance surviving in M then in I..
really..
God bless u -
Precisely really cannot understand 1998 happening, I wonder if Malaysian paper got report?Originally posted by blackchickenahkai:yr country of origin....... farkers...
u will have a better chance surviving in M then in I..
really..
God bless u
I went to extend my Indonesian passport in Indonesian embassy. I kena this interview by one of the embassy officials, spoke to my mother in Chinese.
He became upset n said"Please speak in Bahasa"