James Gomez arrested !!!!
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x 2 haizzzzz....Originally posted by darknessfall:expected the govt to make their move right after election..whats new?
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o come on, does anyone seriously believe that gomez actually CRIMINALLY INTIMIDATED the election department......he himself pointed to the camera for possible proof in his favour. the wp didn't raise the issue at all, it's the pap and the pliant media which overplayed this.
we all have had wrongly accsued others before only to realise we are at fault ourselves. this episode is a tragedy. first world indeed, i'm quite sure mugabe would be taking notes for his own election department.
despite this, i believe firmly that pap is the only choice at present to manage the country. however, they have much to learn about managing the people. if the bruising they got at hougang and potong pasir prove anything. they need to endear themelves to the people instead of using bullying tactics. their lack of grace is really appalling, especially with some pap members resorting to name calling. -
The whole unfortunate incident won't happen if the Election Dept staff were more helpful. We have been emphasing on providing good service.
They should have help the candidates (esp. the first-timers) fill up forms & check that everything is in order eg when opening bank a/cs or applying HDB flats, u just give your ic & documents, the staff will do everything for u.
Also if the form is missing, what's the big deal. Just fill up another one.
They are the ones making things difficult. -
speaking abt gd customer service eh.......Originally posted by gerrykoh:The whole unfortunate incident won't happen if the Election Dept staff were more helpful. We have been emphasing on providing good service.
They should have help the candidates (esp. the first-timers) fill up forms & check that everything is in order eg when opening bank a/cs or applying HDB flats, u just give your ic & documents, the staff will do everything for u.
Also if the form is missing, what's the big deal. Just fill up another one.
They are the ones making things difficult.
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you realise that the "truth", real or otherwise, no longer matters for most people ? .....
that the way we perceive this whole episode has been coloured by our political inclinations ......
the sad thing is ... the truth and the outcome no longer matters ... many people have already decided that for themselves ... -
Its not difficult to see why James Gomez would want to leave the country as fast as possible if not elected. Remember Teng Liang Hong? MM Lee is famous for doing many things to his political opponent. For MM Lee to react that way after the election is a norm. Now everyone already cast their vote. Then the fox tail revealed. I think James Gomez could make a very good political opponent. Few people could dare to stand against an overwhelming government. He has my support though I find him guilty.
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Did James Gomez make any move that amount to 'CRIMINAL INTIMIDATION' towards any officials in the Election Department ?Originally posted by lionnoisy:PENAL CODE
(CHAPTER 224)
CHAPTER XXII
CRIMINAL INTIMIDATION, INSULT AND ANNOYANCE
Criminal intimidation.
503. Whoever threatens another with any injury to his person, reputation or property, or to the person or reputation of any one in whom that person is interested, with intent to cause alarm to that person, or to cause that person to do any act which he is not legally bound to do, or to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do, as the means of avoiding the execution of such threat, commits criminal intimidation.
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Punishment for criminal intimidation. If threat is to cause death or grievous hurt, etc.
506. Whoever commits the offence of criminal intimidation shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both;.........
Did he threaten the Officials so as to force them" to omit to do any act which that person is legally entitled to do " ?
Did his words amount to a threat that "is to cause death or grievous hurt, etc. " ?
Surely, the abbreviation " etc. " will include the threatened consequences that will be equal in gravity to the stated "death or grevious hurt" ? Could James Gomez have said anything to such an end ?
The Law cannot simply be bent and interpreted to the convenience of - and to fit the agenda of - the POWER OF ONE. -
and don't we all see how divisive it has made us.So who set out the stage for us to become so easily politically charged when such an issue appears.Originally posted by Fatum:you realise that the "truth", real or otherwise, no longer matters for most people ? .....
that the way we perceive this whole episode has been coloured by our political inclinations ......
the sad thing is ... the truth and the outcome no longer matters ... many people have already decided that for themselves ...
The same could be said with the ethnic self-help groups, and our strange ways of having a Speak Mandarin and a Speak English campaign ongoing at the same time.Singaporean culture and identity that surfaced naturally is denied, and only state-engineered national identity platforms and programs are encouraged.
A real Singaporean unity, or an affected one? The answers will let us understand why some form of division is so natural today.. -
You know, I just find this issue with Gomez - UNBELIEVABLE!
Like, I don't see what kind of horrible crime has Gomez committed???
I think at most PAP can just slap him with a FINE, and close the book.
But no, they had to be so typical, drive a person into the ground over seemingly petty offences.
This will just further tarnish my impression of PAP much much further!
So VINDICTIVE. Almost - EVIL! -
This episode is to frighten the would be opposition politicians. If they choose to contest against them, it can happen to them too. Even if it's the slightest of and incident. It's called the "scare" tactic.
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Says a lot about the maturity of the political party concerned. Like a playground bully la..Originally posted by Archie_boy:This episode is to frighten the would be opposition politicians. If they choose to contest against them, it can happen to them too. Even if it's the slightest of and incident. It's called the "scare" tactic. -
"When asked to comment, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that he was not aware of what had happened since the Elections Department filed a police report against Mr Gomez."
Looks like JG is in a "FIX"? -
"Yesterday, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said that whether other WP members connived at Mr Gomez's doings was a matter still to be determined."
Lighting path is FIXED liao.. going to strike WP! -
This is KA NA SAI lor!!!!!
If Gomez's words "there will be consequences" can be considered criminal intimination then...
....PM Lee's "I will have to fix the opposition and buy my supporter's votes" is OUTRIGHT INTIMINATION and display of intention of bribery!!!
...PAP's policy of "if you vote for me, i give you upgrading. If you don't vote for me, i take your tax money and give others and don't give you" is criminal intimination and extortion on a national level.
...PAP's warning that "the Gomez issue is not over. We will look into it after the elections" is also a threat.
Remember Cheng San, 1997.
And you all know whose fault is all of this........?
It's Aljunied Resident's fault!!!!!! You all must explain!!!!!!
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I sometimes get the impression that Mr Wong Kan Seng is a bitter old bully. Wong Kan Seng must have had a rough time in school
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The sunday times reported him as flying back to sweden to carry on his work when he paused for the elections.Originally posted by banzie:Its not difficult to see why James Gomez would want to leave the country as fast as possible if not elected. Remember Teng Liang Hong? MM Lee is famous for doing many things to his political opponent. For MM Lee to react that way after the election is a norm. Now everyone already cast their vote. Then the fox tail revealed. I think James Gomez could make a very good political opponent. Few people could dare to stand against an overwhelming government. He has my support though I find him guilty. -
Originally posted by Himbo:
Next time you go NTUC fairprice and tell the cashier, if the eggs you bought happen to turn out rotten, there will be consequences.
This is KA NA SAI lor!!!!!
If Gomez's words "there will be consequences" can be considered criminal intimination then...
....PM Lee's "I will have to fix the opposition and buy my supporter's votes" is OUTRIGHT INTIMINATION and display of intention of bribery!!!
...PAP's policy of "if you vote for me, i give you upgrading. If you don't vote for me, i take your tax money and give others and don't give you" is criminal intimination and extortion on a national level.
...PAP's warning that "the Gomez issue is not over. We will look into it after the elections" is also a threat.
[b]Remember Cheng San, 1997.
And you all know whose fault is all of this........?
It's Aljunied Resident's fault!!!!!! You all must explain!!!!!! [/b] -
People fly home immediately all the time after conferences or an event. Whaz the big deal? He had a job to return to at the end of the day unlike our million dollar ministers who can sit on their bums and only appear to shake hands during elections.Originally posted by ditzy:The sunday times reported him as flying back to sweden to carry on his work when he paused for the elections. -
Thanks to the 66.6% who bite the carrots.. PAP now has the right to practice such 3rd world politics for another 5 years.. and thanks to these 66.6%.. 100% of Singaporeans will be slaves for the next 5 years!!
YES! to the POWER OF ONE!! -
as to your first statement bro, I have no idea, perhaps you can elucidate ? ...Originally posted by LazerLordz:and don't we all see how divisive it has made us.So who set out the stage for us to become so easily politically charged when such an issue appears.
The same could be said with the ethnic self-help groups, and our strange ways of having a Speak Mandarin and a Speak English campaign ongoing at the same time.Singaporean culture and identity that surfaced naturally is denied, and only state-engineered national identity platforms and programs are encouraged.
A real Singaporean unity, or an affected one? The answers will let us understand why some form of division is so natural today..
as for the second part, remember that Singapore is an artificial state afterall, we're an accident of history, like it of not ... as to the Singaporean culture bit, well ... I certainly think there's plenty of it in evidence ... from kiasuism to kiasism ... they are all part of the Singaporean identity, no ? ... social engineering does not work, we know that much from the last 40 years of national campaigns ... we still litter, we still speak Singlish (for my thoughts on Singlish, please visit http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=176815 ...
) ... a big pity though, don't you think ? that without the legions of banglas cleaners, Singapore would become a cesspit within the week ! (and the public toilets in 48 hours ! ) ... maybe we don't have a first world goverment yet ... but you think we already have a first world population already ? ...
but then again, of course, you're talking about the rise of a political culture eh ? ... this is an inexorable process, whether the incumbent recognizes it or not, we have seen this in the last elections ... but, the real issue is, is Singapore ready for the kind of unbridled political process some chaps here envisions ... freedom comes with responsibilities from all players, I have this latent fear of Singapore's political process turning into a fracas, a scandal driven circus ... look at the forums during the elections, everyone speaking over each other's heads ... take a look at the threads by that chap january for example, and more importantly, the kind of reactions ... I'm afraid I have to say; we're not quite ready yet ... -
I'm talking more on how the state's role in engineered emphasis on ethnic self-help above national self-help may actually serve their purposes, because they actually avoid a strong melting pot of views and thoughts.Originally posted by Fatum:as to your first statement bro, I have no idea, perhaps you can elucidate ? ...
as for the second part, remember that Singapore is an artificial state afterall, we're an accident of history, like it of not ... as to the Singaporean culture bit, well ... I certainly think there's plenty of it in evidence ... from kiasuism to kiasism ... they are all part of the Singaporean identity, no ? ... social engineering does not work, we know that much from the last 40 years of national campaigns ... we still litter, we still speak Singlish (for my thoughts on Singlish, please visit http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=176815 ... ) ... a big pity though, don't you think ? that without the legions of banglas cleaners, Singapore would become a cesspit within the week ! (and the public toilets in 48 hours ! ) ... maybe we don't have a first world goverment yet ... but you think we already have a first world population already ? ...
but then again, of course, you're talking about the rise of a political culture eh ? ... this is an inexorable process, whether the incumbent recognizes it or not, we have seen this in the last elections ... but, the real issue is, is Singapore ready for the kind of unbridled political process some chaps here envisions ... freedom comes with responsibilities from all players, I have this latent fear of Singapore's political process turning into a fracas, a scandal driven circus ... look at the forums during the elections, everyone speaking over each other's heads ... take a look at the threads by that chap january for example, and more importantly, the kind of reactions ... I'm afraid I have to say; we're not quite ready yet ...
Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly.But the political circus is not something nice, but I'm very sure we deserve to have the current sort of dominance thrown out. -
Internet forums are hardly indicative of our readiness for political change. Both you and I and several others are posting under anonymity. Have we abused this anonymity and irresponsibly expressed arguments which cannot be ascertained? Not every forum is like sammyboy...Originally posted by Fatum:... but, the real issue is, is Singapore ready for the kind of unbridled political process some chaps here envisions ... freedom comes with responsibilities from all players, I have this latent fear of Singapore's political process turning into a fracas, a scandal driven circus ... look at the forums during the elections, everyone speaking over each other's heads ... take a look at the threads by that chap january for example, and more importantly, the kind of reactions ... I'm afraid I have to say; we're not quite ready yet ...
Having more opposition candidates in Parliament doesn't mean that Chiam See Tong will suddenly take a page from the Taiwanese and start flinging foldable chairs at other ministers.
We just need to stop equating the opposition with utter chaos. -
Singaporeans seem so guilible, don't you think? They buy the propaganda hook line and sinker. The opposition cannot sell their own propaganda or counter the influence of the propaganda because they do not have access to the mass media.Originally posted by MrIllusion:Internet forums are hardly indicative of our readiness for political change. Both you and I and several others are posting under anonymity. Have we abused this anonymity and irresponsibly expressed arguments which cannot be ascertained? Not every forum is like sammyboy...
Having more opposition candidates in Parliament doesn't mean that Chiam See Tong will suddenly take a page from the Taiwanese and start flinging foldable chairs at other ministers.
We just need to stop equating the opposition with utter chaos.
That the PAP lost PP and Hougang and could only garner around 55% in Aljunied speaks volumes to me about the dissatisfaction on the ground. Can you imagine if it were a free and fair election? -
In this event, what we have to do is a grassroots alternative media network, teach children what it means to be objective, and balanced in looking all forms and sources of information before making an informed decision.Originally posted by casino_king:Singaporeans seem so guilible, don't you think? They buy the propaganda hook line and sinker. The opposition cannot sell their own propaganda or counter the influence of the propaganda because they do not have access to the mass media.
That the PAP lost PP and Hougang and could only garner around 55% in Aljunied speaks volumes to me about the dissatisfaction on the ground. Can you imagine if it were a free and fair election?
Ask questions, dare to challenge the model answer.If as youths, they cannot do that, then it's hard as adults to convince them. -
the 66.6% of voters chose PAP and bit the carrot...this is tian jing di yi.Originally posted by siaokao:Thanks to the 66.6% who bite the carrots.. PAP now has the right to practice such 3rd world politics for another 5 years.. and thanks to these 66.6%.. 100% of Singaporeans will be slaves for the next 5 years!!
YES! to the POWER OF ONE!!
u didn't vote for or supported the PAP doesn't mean others can't. don't need to get too extreme with ur views. and try to relax...can get high blood pressure easily like that.