James Gomez arrested !!!!
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The education system is in their hands, remember? What the teachers teach day in and day out and the emphasis and objectives of the education system precludes the ability to teach the child what you suggested effectively.Originally posted by LazerLordz:In this event, what we have to do is a grassroots alternative media network, teach children what it means to be objective, and balanced in looking all forms and sources of information before making an informed decision.
Ask questions, dare to challenge the model answer.If as youths, they cannot do that, then it's hard as adults to convince them. -
The people had spoken.Originally posted by siaokao:Thanks to the 66.6% who bite the carrots.. PAP now has the right to practice such 3rd world politics for another 5 years.. and thanks to these 66.6%.. 100% of Singaporeans will be slaves for the next 5 years!!
YES! to the POWER OF ONE!!
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Thx for ur concern bro!Originally posted by tiggersgd:the 66.6% of voters chose PAP and bit the carrot...this is tian jing di yi.
u didn't vote for or supported the PAP doesn't mean others can't. don't need to get too extreme with ur views. and try to relax...can get high blood pressure easily like that.
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well....
its always the case here...
Who in power who will be always right.
Perhaps you guys can provide evidents...
on proves that GOMEZ LIED and threatened? -
Isn't the CCTV good enough??? Instead of submitting the form, he went to slip it into his envelop and eventually leftOriginally posted by ^MaRcUs^:well....
its always the case here...
Who in power who will be always right.
Perhaps you guys can provide evidents...
on proves that GOMEZ LIED and threatened?
2 days later went back and tried to use CNA camera beside to show his case, but sadly, the phone call and CCTV has killed him
That poor staff could end up be suspended and lead a miserable period because of this... -
the CCTV can only prove that he did not submit it,but it cannot prove that he deliberately did not submit the form to cause troubleOriginally posted by sbst275:Isn't the CCTV good enough??? Instead of submitting the form, he went to slip it into his envelop and eventually left
2 days later went back and tried to use CNA camera beside to show his case, but sadly, the phone call and CCTV has killed him
That poor staff could end up be suspended and lead a miserable period because of this...
The main thing is can you prove his intent beyond reasonable doubt?
The possbility of it being a geniune mistake is also very high in the mist of the busy schedule during election period.And he had said it was a genuine mistake and apologized for it.Are you going to force a confession out of him that his intent is what you would like to see it as? -
But he lied, insisting at the CNA footage that he submitted itOriginally posted by Aveme:the CCTV can only prove that he did not submit it,but it cannot prove that he deliberately did not submit the form to cause trouble
The main thing is can you prove his intent beyond reasonable doubt?
The possbility of it being a geniune mistake is also very high in the mist of the busy schedule during election period.And he had said it was a genuine mistake and apologized for it.Are you going to force a confession out of him that his intent is what you would like to see it as?
Whatever it is, a lie is a lie, they have the right to charge him for lying to a civil servant
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there is a difference btw an intentional lie and speaking something that turned out not to be true later cos he had really thought in the first place what he said was the truth. You cannot prove that he did intentionally lied to the officier.What can only be proved is that he said something that is not correct and that does not mean it is = lyingOriginally posted by sbst275:But he lied, insisting at the CNA footage that he submitted it
Whatever it is, a lie is a lie, they have the right to charge him for lying to a civil servant
A mistake? If so, he shouldn't needed to go to ELD to collect the Indian minority form
As said,he applied for the minority form cos it could be used as a last resort for man power deployment incase emergency cases happened and he is needed to team up for another GRC -
double post
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Err... do you even read the responses given on this forum? There's nothing wrong with getting the minority cert in the event that he needs to be fielded elsewhere.Originally posted by sbst275:But he lied, insisting at the CNA footage that he submitted it
Whatever it is, a lie is a lie, they have the right to charge him for lying to a civil servant
A mistake? If so, he shouldn't needed to go to ELD to collect the Indian minority form
But I'll give you one thing. A lie is a lie. A lie is not a mistake, or misunderstanding, or assumption, or joke.
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the very fact that he said the camera would show him submitting tells you he assumed he had submitted the form. have you never thought you did something only to realise your own mistake? have a mind of your own and not simply be indoctrinated by the spew of baseless rubbish.....
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A lie is a lie, there's nothing of it being intentional or notOriginally posted by Aveme:there is a difference btw an intentional lie and speaking something that turned out not to be true later cos he had really thought in the first place what he said was the truth. You cannot prove that he did intentionally lied to the officier.What can only be proved is that he said something that is not correct and that does not mean it is = lying
As said,he applied for the minority form cos it could be used as a last resort for man power deployment incase emergency cases happened and he is needed to team up for another GRC
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Since ppl love them, didn't LYK already said they weren't fielding him to AMK, the only GRC which WP contested that needs a Indian minority certOriginally posted by MrIllusion:Err... do you even read the responses given on this forum? There's nothing wrong with getting the minority cert in the event that he needs to be fielded elsewhere.
But I'll give you one thing. A lie is a lie. A lie is not a mistake, or misunderstanding, or assumption, or joke.
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Lol whatever if cannot differential what i had said.Originally posted by sbst275:A lie is a lie, there's nothing of it being intentional or not
One has to be responsible for what he or she has said or did
Yes he has to be responsible,so? he was responsible enough to apologize for something he said that turned out not to be true which cause the confusion in the first place.Since only that much could be proven,his public apology is enough i would say. -
But it's still not right to lie to a civil servantOriginally posted by Aveme:Lol whatever if cannot differential what i had said.
Yes he has to be responsible,so? he was responsible enough to apologize for something he said that turned out not to be true which cause the confusion in the first place.Since only that much could be proven,his public apology is enough i would say.
You can easily be jailed for 7 years for that -
lol taking everything LKY said at face value without thinking it thru on your ownOriginally posted by sbst275:Since ppl love them, didn't LYK already said they weren't fielding him to AMK, the only GRC which WP contested that needs a Indian minority cert
He was not planned to be fielded initially does not means that nothing can crop up at the last min to result in last minute changes.
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You see this, it states clearly whether a Malay or Indian canidate is needed at which GRC: http://www.elections.gov.sg/types_electoral.htm#2Originally posted by Aveme:lol taking everything LKY said at face value without thinking it thru on your own
He was not planned to be fielded initially does not means that nothing can crop up at the last min to result in last minute changes.
Notice it is not planned to be field initially not that it cannot be changed due to changed circumstances.
Though yes, he could have applied, but lying he can still get himself behind bars -
i already said that it cannot be proven that is a deliberate lie.If he did not intend to lie in the first place,it is not a lie but just something spoken that is not true of the situation.LHL also said that he will take his time to think of how to fix the opposition,does that means he is lying since he clarified it later?By your own defination,he is lying to every singaporeans?Originally posted by sbst275:But it's still not right to lie to a civil servant
You can easily be jailed for 7 years for that
What need to be proven is that he really lied?But it is also possible it is really a case of confusion caused by the busy election schedule -
facts from TODAYfeel free to skip if u dunt truth it,or u
discuss issue not based on material facts,but by what u think is right.
opinions cab be one thousand,but facts only one version.30 April 2006 1942 hrs
if u want review this saga,must read fast for CNA may remove
The curious case of Gomez and the missing certificate
By News Desk, TODAY
At first he insisted that he had submitted his minority certificate. The Elections Department says he warned its staff of "consequences" when the document could not be traced.
Asked about the missing document by reporters, Mr James Gomez, a Workers' Party (WP) candidate for the Aljunied GRC, merely said he did not wish to discuss his election administration with the media.
The Elections Department felt that by brushing aside the issue, Mr Gomez had planted a doubt on whether the officials had been straight in dealing with him. So, on Friday, it released the transcript of a taped phone conversation and footage from a closed-circuit television (CCTV) camera to show exactly what happened on Monday, when Mr Gomez claimed he had submitted his certificate.
In the phone conversation on Wednesday, Mr Gomez is heard reiterating that he did, indeed, hand in the document.
The CCTV footage, on the other hand, shows him putting the certificate in his own bag and walking away — without submitting it.
Technically, the issue did not turn out to be serious as the WP had other candidates with minority certificates to slot into its GRC slates. It could, however, have influenced Mr Gomez's choice of constituency.
In fact, if not for the fiasco, Mr Gomez could have stood in Ang Mo Kio, which required an Indian candidate, instead of Aljunied GRC which did not, said Foreign Minister George Yeo on Friday night in a Party Branch at Hougang Avenue 1, after the People's Action Party's (PAP) maiden rally was cancelled due to thunder and lightning.
But the clear proof that Mr Gomez had wrongly claimed he had submitted his certificate — and did not take the chance to clear the air — has already given the ruling party some ready ammunition.
Referring to the WP's recently-stated plan to campaign on three issues including that of accountability, Mr Yeo said Mr Gomez's run-in with the Elections Department showed that while "it's easy to say these things ... carrying them out, walking the talk is not so easy".
The Elections Department said it was releasing the transcript and the recording to remove all doubt about the integrity of the electoral process.
Mr Gomez had visited the Elections Department on Wednesday, telling its officials to look for his certificate and asking them to call him back. Around 1pm that day, when Ms Florence Tan from the department phoned and asked him to describe what happened, Mr Gomez gave a vivid narration of how had had submitted the certificate two days earlier.
"I submitted this with my colleague ... so my colleague was with me all the time," Mr Gomez told Ms Tan in a conversation that she taped. "I've checked with (the colleague) and she confirmed also that the form was submitted and was accepted."
The CCTV footage, on the other hand, shows a female colleague walking up to Mr Gomez's side only after he had put the document in his bag.
After he had given his version, Ms Tan told Mr Gomez: "We have reviewed the CCTV footage ... After you filled (the certificate) in, you actually kept it in your bag and ... you didn't take it out any more."
On hearing this, Mr Gomez "abruptly changed tone", said Mr Yeo.
"Oh, I see. I am very happy to hear your version of the story. I will just go and check my bag because I'm outside now," Mr Gomez had said according to the transcript.
Mr Yeo said he found it "very odd" that Mr Gomez never thought to check his bag for a "big envelope" containing his application form from Monday to Wednesday, especially since it was during an anxious time in the run-up to Nomination Day.
With the evidence out, Mr Yeo said WP chief Low Thia Khiang owed an explanation to Aljunied voters for fielding Mr Gomez to contest the GRC.
"Beyond that, he (Mr Low) owes it to all Singaporeans to tell us the full story of what had happened," said Mr Yeo, adding that it might take some time for the country to have a "First World Opposition".
The Elections Department said that Mr Gomez had not contacted it since — either to confirm that he had found the certificate in his bag or to confirm whether his colleague still maintained that he had submitted the form. - TODAY/fz
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lol you keep saying it is lying,where is your proof that he is really trying to lie?Originally posted by sbst275:You see this, it states clearly whether a Malay or Indian canidate is needed at which GRC: http://www.elections.gov.sg/types_electoral.htm#2
Though yes, he could have applied, but lying he can still get himself behind bars
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This sort of things cannot bai wu longOriginally posted by Aveme:i already said that it cannot be proven that is a deliberate lie.If he did not intend to lie in the first place,it is not a lie but just something spoken that is not true of the situation.LHL also said that he will take his time to think of how to fix the opposition,does that means he is lying since he clarified it later?By your own defination,he is lying to every singaporeans?
What need to be proven is that he really lied?But it is also possible it is really a case of confusion caused by the busy election schedule -
He said he did submit the form when he did not and worst, insisted and started to point fingers...Originally posted by Aveme:lol you keep saying it is lying,where is your proof that he is really trying to lie?
where,show me your proof? -
It could only prove he said something that is not correct at that point in time and he insisted on this.But this still does not = lyingOriginally posted by sbst275:He said he did submit the form when he did not and worst, insisted and started to point fingers...
Nothing shown so far proved that he intentionally lied to create chaos.What that can be proven is only a honest mistake,and for that a apology is already given. -
You may end up considered lying, even the words you used may end up you into troubleOriginally posted by Aveme:It could only prove he said something that is not correct at that point in time and he insisted on this.But this still does not = lying
Nothing shown so far proved that he intentionally lied to create chaos.What that can be proven is only a honest mistake,and for that a apology is already given.
But whatever it is, since it's a police case, also no point keep on talking..
Anyway, that Police Cantonment Complex is the HQ of the CID, CAD and CNB -
lol there you said it yourself considered,considered by whom?Originally posted by sbst275:You may end up considered lying, even the words you used may end up you into trouble
But whatever it is, since it's a police case, also no point keep on talking..
Anyway, that Police Cantonment Complex is the HQ of the CID, CAD and CNB
Considered by different parties can come up with different assumptions.so you cannot force one certain assumption to be the absolute truth and base it to pass judgement.