James Gomez arrested !!!!
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That's why they are investigating, hear from what bth parties have to say..Originally posted by Aveme:lol there you said it yourself considered,considered by whom?
Considered by different parties can come up with different assumptions.so you cannot force one certain assumption to be the absolute truth and base it to pass judgement. -
My understanding is that he was being detained from intimidating an Election Official, and not for 'lying'. Anyone has other news?Originally posted by sbst275:That's why they are investigating, hear from what bth parties have to say..
And when you say something like
You are suggesting that a 'lie' is only a factual inaccuracy, and that the intention to propagate such an inaccuracy is irrelevant.
A lie is a lie, there's nothing of it being intentional or not
The reasonable layperson would disagree with you, otherwise any person who was ever wrong about any subject is automatically a liar.
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Criminal intimidation is too gen, it can mean anything mounting to disrespect to a civil servantOriginally posted by MrIllusion:You are suggesting that a 'lie' is only a factual inaccuracy, and that the intention to propagate such an inaccuracy is irrelevant.
The reasonable layperson would disagree with you, otherwise any person who was ever wrong about any subject is automatically a liar.
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that is why i said in the first place
Gomez did not mentioned anything specific he will do to smear the reputation of the staff there or did he said anything to amount to him wanting to cause bodily harm.
If he did neither of these,where is the criminal intimidation?
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in the whole conversation, the consequences will logically be taken to mean that his registration will be affected.Originally posted by Aveme:that is why i said in the first place
Gomez did not mentioned anything specific he will do to smear the reputation of the staff there or did he said anything to amount to him wanting to cause bodily harm.
If he did neither of these,where is the criminal intimidation?
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give it up, it's no use arguing with people who have their thought process developed and run through by the words of LKY.Originally posted by Aveme:lol there you said it yourself considered,considered by whom?
Considered by different parties can come up with different assumptions.so you cannot force one certain assumption to be the absolute truth and base it to pass judgement.
can he tell you the difference between Gomez's words and his apology, and LHL's "fix", which in itself is more serious both ontymological and linguistical in nature, and the latter's subsequent apology and clarification.
I don't think so.
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I bet you the 3 amigos behind the scenes pulling the strings over the whole arrest saga are Wong Kang Seng, LHL and Papa.
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Intimidation is like threatening but scolding four letter language to a civil servant is a no.Originally posted by sbst275:Criminal intimidation is too gen, it can mean anything mounting to disrespect to a civil servant -
Workers' Party's James Gomez being investigated for alleged criminal intimidation offence
Former candidate for Aljunied GRC stopped from leaving Singapore; passport impounded
By Ahmad Osman
May 8, 2006
AsiaOne Special Political Correspondent
Singapore police are investigating a complaint by the Elections Department alleging that Mr James Gomez, an opposition candidate in the polls on May 6, committed two offences.
The department claimed he committed criminal intimidation and also provided false information, a police spokesman said in a statement today (May
in response to queries from the press.
No arrest has been made and no person has been detained in police custody because of the probe, the spokesman said, alluding to some reports that Mr Gomez had been arrested.
He added: “Police are in the process of reviewing the evidence and interviewing all relevant persons.”
Mr Gomez was among five WorkersÂ’ Party (WP) candidates who fought the ruling PeopleÂ’s Action Party (PAP) in the hotly-contested Aljunied Group Representation Constituency (GRC) in the general election held last Saturday (May 6).
The WP team, headed by party chairman and law lecturer, Ms Sylvia Lim, managed to secure 44 per cent of the votes. This was a credible showing for an Opposition team but not enough to dislodge its PAP competitor which was led by Foreign Minister George Yeo.
The spotlight was directed at Mr Gomez at the hustings after an incident at the Elections Department over a minority candidate form.
He claimed that he submitted the form on April 24 but when he went to collect the certificate, the department said that it did not have his application. He waved his finger at the officials and was seen saying: "You know what's the implication? Something must happen. When will you call me?"
Subsequently, when the department reviewed a recording by its closed circuit camera, it showed Mr Gomez putting the form in his briefcase and walking away with it. It released this recording to the media.
Mr Gomez later apologised, saying he was “distracted”.
But PAP leaders said the apology was inadequate and pressed the WP to drop him from its slate of candidates.
Last week, Deputy Prime Minister Mr Wong Kan Seng issued a statement detailing how Mr Gomez “stage-managed” the incident to damage t he government and discredit the department.
Minister Mentor Mr Lee Kuan Yew called Mr Gomez a liar and challenged the WP man and the partyÂ’s leaders to sue him if that was untrue.
The police statement today confirmed that the police interviewed several people, including department officials, Mr Gomez and Ms Lim.
Mr Gomez was approached on Sunday as he was about to leave Changi Airport to return to his job in Sweden as a policy analyst at the Idea International think-tank based at Stockholm.
Police officers requested him to follow them back to the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) to help them in their investiga tion.
He agreed and was questioned at the CID for eight hours. He said he gave the police a “full and comprehensive outline of what had transpired”.
He also said this morning that his passport “has been seized and impounded indefinitely”.
Today is the last day of his leave from work. He is waiting, he said, for a letter from the police to explain the situation to his employer.
He will, he added, continue to extend his full co-operation to the investigation by the police.
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Police statement on Elections Department complaint against James Gomez
May 8, 2006
Singapore Police Force Media Statement
In response to media queries, police confirm that we are investigating a complaint from the Elections Department against Mr James Gomez for alleged offences of criminal intimidation and providing false information.
Police have interviewed several persons, including Election Department officials, Mr James Gomez and Ms Sylvia Lim. The police approached Mr Gomez at Changi Airport on 7 May 2006 when he was about to leave for overseas. Police requested that Mr Gomez follow them back to the Criminal Investigation Department to assist in investigations. He agreed and was interviewed at CID that day.
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
Well said!
This entire episode stinks of sour grapes. MM Lee is utterly despicable to claim that when he calls a person a liar and does not get sued, then something is wrong.
In the first place, you do NOT go around name-calling. You have an issue, you press charges, not use the media to initiate a hate campaign against one individual. Blatantly slandering a person like that is classic gangsterism, EXACTLY the type he himself pledged to STAMP OUT.
He thinks he has the right to influence the decisions around him by banging the tables? Pot calling the kettle black.
It's time for him to step down. We do not respect high-handed abuse of his political standing. So what if he has made SG what it is today?
His attitude and belligerence bellies an arrogance and blatant disregard for the law.
He has lost my complete respect.
All hail 'the Emperor' and follow his rule.
Speaking like he himself is the Law & Judge
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latest movie starring......
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Seems like losing in the GE is not enough, lose already also cannot go back to work. How low in life can someone get?
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whacking the rice bowl, is damn no show face one..Originally posted by ditzy:Seems like losing in the GE is not enough, lose already also cannot go back to work. How low in life can someone get? -
From ChannelnewsAsia Report:
It was simply disingenious of an experienced Senior Member of the Legal Profession - and at the same time, an esteemed Singaporean who has been bestowed the position of a Minister Mentor - to entrap others into a position to allow him to sue others for defamation that is 'SELF-ENGINEERED'.
SINGAPORE : Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew says he is not suing Workers' Party chief Low Thia Khiang for comments Mr Low had made at a rally on Wednesday night.
This is because Mr Low had not called him a liar, and had not defamed him.
"Mr Low Thia Khiang has challenged me to sue him. How can I? He has not defamed me," Mr Lee said in a statement responding to Mr Low's challenge to sue him.
But if Mr Low had called him a liar because Mr Lee said Workers' Party candidate James Gomez was a liar, then Mr Lee could and would sue him
Why should MM LKY be entitled to sue someone who returned his compliment of calling others a 'LIAR' ?
Should the Law not grant favor to the receipient of the first insult that has been first hurled by the abuser ?
It seems rather unusual that Singapore - supposedly as a First World Country - has a Judiciary System that practise the Law in reverse - where the abuser is granted the first opportunity of being libelled by the victim who merely responded to the abuser.
The Workers' Party Senior Leadership has learnt well the 'dirty politics' practised by the POWER OF ONE - that is so articulate in using HIS judiciary to terrorise his Political Opponents - as was so cruelly displayed in the 1994 Elections in the Tang Liang Hong Saga
If the Senior Leadership of the Workers' Party had responded with their emotions - and not with their brains - they would have found themselves in the same situation that Tang Liang Hong was in 1994; and as now so wickedly and proudly boasted by MM LKY in his remark :
"Mr Low Thia Khiang has challenged me to sue him. How can I? He has not defamed me," Mr Lee said in a statement responding to Mr Low's challenge to sue him.
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i still believe james gomez is a mole planted to disrupt the opposition party.. last election he was disqualified bcos of some paperwork.. tis election he is in the limelight again.. coincidence? i doubt so.. anyway, wats wrong wif our MM huh? so old oreadi still so worked up?
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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''Mr Gomez demanded ELD staff again and warned Mr Ricky Tan of 'consequences''' ELD statement ,ST 29.04.2006,p H5 ,by KRIST BOO.
This showed Gomez went to ELD at 9.30am 26.04.2006 to demand the mininority cert which he claimed submitted on 24.04.2006.His finger pointed
to staff.
Image fr CNA
2.ELD phoned him 1 pm 26.04.2006 Wed ,telling that CCTV showed him
did not submit the form but put inside his briefcase right after TV camer
man left.Why Gomez after good 72 hours till Sat night to say sorry?
Why he checked on Wed night and said sorry on Thurs Nomination Day
when he met the press?He told ,according to ELD recordings,that he
would go back and check .
3.Why LOW T K in past few days just said he had asked all minority in
the party to apply cert?This made normal for Gomez to apply a cert.
Why LOW said more earlier?
4.The civil cervant union should raise fund to instal more CCTV on ELD.
If not for the CCTV,this poor Ricky Tan of ELD has to spend few months to
write reports what happen to our honouable Mr Gomez's form,
founder of Think Center.Thats why u know,he know how to think. -
CSJ version 2.02?Originally posted by monoslayer:i still believe james gomez is a mole planted to disrupt the opposition party.. last election he was disqualified bcos of some paperwork.. tis election he is in the limelight again.. coincidence? i doubt so.. anyway, wats wrong wif our MM huh? so old oreadi still so worked up? -
Ha ha.... this is ludicrous.
I believe gomez didnt pursue the issue beyond what was caught on camera..He asked the officials if they new the consequences of their actions.
How many times have we forgotten something and insisted that we havent.
Is that to say that we all are liars? Is human error not to be accounted for? Even The stupid ERP system cant work properly... We put cash card in.. THe bloody thing never deduct, we still get letter stating that we need to pay fine cuz we never put card in... i mean what the hell. Unless the goverment can prove malicious intent, (which they undoubtadly will, through the power of influence) The case has no weight in my eyes.
Look in my service to the government, on numerous occasions, members of the public have done simillar things. Some, so insistent that are right, have written in to their MPs. After ive proven that there is no record, no action was taken. I have even been abused verbally by the public. These individuals were not taken to cort, or custody. So, i am left baffled at this arrest. Makes no coherrent sense to me. -
Like I said before, his body language would be his tomb.
If we compare someone challenging LTA vs someone challenging ED, we should know which carries more weight.
If you studied law, you would have known which is more destructive on the scale. The number of people affected by his words and your words are totally different.
And my call on this scenario is that Gomez had apologized so he should never be punished with a harsh penalty.
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He had apologized.Originally posted by Nelstar:Like I said before, his body language would be his tomb.
If we compare someone challenging LTA vs someone challenging ED, we should know which carries more weight.
If you studied law, you would have known which is more destructive on the scale. The number of people affected by his words and your words are totally different.
And my call on this scenario is that Gomez had apologized so he should never be punished with a harsh penalty.
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The fact remains that no threaths were made by the accused. From my point of view, it was an underlining of the severity of not having his doccument.
The Law, if it were to be enforced should be enforced on all planes, as long as it is breached. THe weight of an issue is of no consequence to the enforcement of the rule of law. The weight of an isuue should only bear wight on the judgement/sentence passed.
To say that one should prosecute Gomez for this and let slide the numerous accusations and assults that barrage the civil service, is like saying the murder of a begger is of no consequence when compared to the murder of a burocrat.
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You're not wrong, but we are in Singapore,sadly.Originally posted by headset:The fact remains that no threaths were made by the accused. From my point of view, it was an underlining of the severity of not having his doccument.
The Law, if it were to be enforced should be enforced on all planes, as long as it is breached. THe weight of an issue is of no consequence to the enforcement of the rule of law. The weight of an isuue should only bear wight on the judgement/sentence passed.
To say that one should prosecute Gomez for this and let slide the numerous accusations and assults that barrage the civil service, is like saying the murder of a begger is of no consequence when compared to the murder of a burocrat.
Correct me if i'm wrong...