At one instance you are moved to tears by WP rally speech (which you could not have attended as you are in UK), now you compare CSJ to Christ...Originally posted by caramon.:Dr Chee is like Christ. HeÂ’s on the verge of being crucified by the very people he has been trying to save. He could walk away, but he doesnÂ’t. The citizens heÂ’s trying to liberate are throwing rocks at him and calling him a lunatic at the same time. If I were him I would have given up within the first week.
He is our only hope. If we donÂ’t want to help, the least we can do is to cheer him on.
remember the mad cow scare in singapore like a decade ago?Originally posted by Blue Dolphin:At one instance you are moved to tears by WP rally speech (which you could not have attended as you are in UK), now you compare CSJ to Christ...
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Originally posted by caramon.:It is simply too difficult to swallow your comparison of Dr Chee being like Christ - even as much as I have supported his political actions in the past.
Those in power need to be OVERTHROWN. Not re-represented, not "checked and balanced", but OVERTHROWN. The usual excuses of "oh, politics is long-haul and Rome isnÂ’t built in a day", or "his confrontational style doesnÂ’t connect with Singaporeans" donÂ’t hold water, because if he fought a democratic war that way, then the country will never be liberalized.
Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Martin Luther King – these liberalists have demonstrated before us that the only way to win a democratic battle against tyrants is to fight with them wearing your heart on your sleeves. The only way to overthrow a tyrant is to play with them at their own game.
Dr Chee is like Christ. HeÂ’s on the verge of being crucified by the very people he has been trying to save. He could walk away, but he doesnÂ’t. The citizens heÂ’s trying to liberate are throwing rocks at him and calling him a lunatic at the same time. If I were him I would have given up within the first week.
Originally posted by caramon.:I think comparing Dr Chee to Dr Sun and even Christ? He is nothing near them.
As long as there's a group of singaporeans who appreaciate Dr chee's work, he will never give up.
The support, no matter how small, is his daily driving force. However, I don't think singaporeans deserve him. A whole ungrateful lot. I sometimes wonder if Singaporeans are worth fighting for. If there is one man who can topple this Government, it's DR CHEE SOON JUAN. That, I've absolutely no doubt.
[b]That letter was really written by Dr Chee Soon Juan.
Chee siok chin read this letter out at the last day of SDP rally in woodlands stadium.[/b]
CSJ champions the belief of feeding into the reserves and making the country susceptible to debt.Originally posted by pisces8:I think comparing Dr Chee to Dr Sun and even Christ? He is nothing near them.
Dr Chee mentioned about people find life such a struggle and elderly continue to have to work even as their arching bones cry out for help. Yes, these are fact to the 20% of the population (are they facts?). On the other hand, there is about 10% of the population living lavishly including those in government? (are they facts? – lavish living=???. Getting more money / pay do not equal lavish living)
To simplify argument, say this is a problem of unequal distribution of wealth. One solution is to become true communist, whereby every body is equal and share everything (including wealth). This had proven not workable in practice.
Are all the 20% doing all they can for themselves and their family members or are some of them just lazy and waiting for government handouts. Giving government handouts will solve the problem for all of them or something else, like creation of jobs suitable for them, or training to take on available jobs.
Dr Chee should not champion Human Right and to tie with Amnesty International to pressure the government. He should be down to earth and to the point – how to reduce wastage, increase wealth creation and identify how to help those 20%. The 20% makes up of all kinds of people and different way of help is required for different kind. Sorry that I do not see these from Dr Chee.
add gomezOriginally posted by ShutterBug:I think, Dr Chee is the only one with THE GUTS to stand up against PAP.
PAP, really no shame huh?
Using money is not a bad idea, it is how the money is being used that is important. Just by giving money (hands out) may do more harm than good to some kind of people.Originally posted by Nelstar:CSJ champions the belief of feeding into the reserves and making the country susceptible to debt.![]()
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When asked for solutions, what did CSJ offer?Originally posted by pisces8:Using money is not a bad idea, it is how the money is being used that is important. Just by giving money (hands out) may do more harm than good to some kind of people.
Government try to be fair and to be seem to be fair, the progressive package was given (to the tune of 4 billions?) with rules to benefit the lower income in general (and a little tib bits for the rest). This may not satisfy 100% of the 20% but appears to be well received (translated into votes for the ruling party).
What are the alternatives given by Dr Chee? Just give money? Make sg a welfare state?
Originally posted by DailyFreeGames.com:Sometimes, I ponder, why would these people (crazy opposition) put themselves into difficulties and heavy risks, don't they see how the PAPs have made so many oppositions bankrupt? Don't they already see that PAP is a monopoly on Singapore? Isn't it so stupid to stand up for other Singaporeans and to fight down the monopoly of the PAPs? I mean, at the end of the day, how many Singaporeans will remember you and the efforts and risks you put in this political scene?
And then, I realize that certain people are willing to sacrifice themselves for the common good of Singapore, to help fellow singaporeans build a better society. It just doesn't make sense, why would anyone want to do such a thing? For most people, if someone of an extreme big stature with big cash and big bully friends by their side, step on your fellow friends, I wonder how many individuals would actually fight out with them to rescue their friends. Most, I believe, will just accept the fact that they won't be good enough to help, so why help, why stand up and fight when you know it's almost an impossible battle? These big bullies have cash and are strong and powerful.
So why is the opposition willing to fight an impossible battle and risk their lives and careers for the fellow singaporeans? I don't know, but one thing I know, many people make fun and laugh at the efforts of the opposition parties, and that's why it saddens me. The battle alone, is already very difficult fighting the bullies, but to be unappreciated by the fellow people whom they are trying to help, seems to make the mountain more impossible to climb. Just my opinion.
Dr. Chee is one of the few who dare to challenge the Spore narrow brand of politics, and they accused him of importing his own brand from the West.. which BTW is the same thing when they accuse of [[Lim Chin Siong ]] being a communist..Originally posted by Blue Dolphin:At one instance you are moved to tears by WP rally speech (which you could not have attended as you are in UK), now you compare CSJ to Christ...
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Originally posted by pisces8:I think comparing Dr Chee to Dr Sun and even Christ? He is nothing near them.
Dr Chee mentioned about people find life such a struggle and elderly continue to have to work even as their arching bones cry out for help. Yes, these are fact to the 20% of the population (are they facts?). On the other hand, there is about 10% of the population living lavishly including those in government? (are they facts? – lavish living=???. Getting more money / pay do not equal lavish living)
To simplify argument, say this is a problem of unequal distribution of wealth. One solution is to become true communist, whereby every body is equal and share everything (including wealth). This had proven not workable in practice.
Are all the 20% doing all they can for themselves and their family members or are some of them just lazy and waiting for government handouts. Giving government handouts will solve the problem for all of them or something else, like creation of jobs suitable for them, or training to take on available jobs.
Dr Chee should not champion Human Right and to tie with Amnesty International to pressure the government. He should be down to earth and to the point – how to reduce wastage, increase wealth creation and identify how to help those 20%. The 20% makes up of all kinds of people and different way of help is required for different kind. Sorry that I do not see these from Dr Chee.