Singaporean opposition leader gets warning over dispute with
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...third world civil servants.Originally posted by dragg:they really made a mountain out of a molehill.
it was such a trivial. now the whole world knows.
first world country!!!
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I think it makes perfect sense for Gomez to setup the election department and the government. Such dirty tricks should not be in a mature political arena... Something like the Taiwan Ah Bian gunshot incident. I believe JG would do better if only he had not done this. Dispite the fact that I strongly disagree of MM Lee's sueing action I don't quite supportive of JG either. JG should be out of the politicial circle as trust is no more. Submitting a form to the election department is something quite important and urgent to forget it is rather unbelievable, and later come back to ask for it? Is he really that forgetful or so busy that such important details is forgotten? Furthermore Silvia Lim obviously was shielding him from later statement since she wasn't there at the point to see the transaction.( she was sitting behind) But it is understandable why Silvia Lim and LTK would shield him. Perhaps even they themsleves wouldn't sure of the real happening. Who does he wants to bluff? Of cause the ideal case of all political competition is the wrestle of abilities and capabilities rather than underlying tricks. So hope to see better opponent next time in the election. Sadly Alujunid was lost... but not undeservingly. Guess most people voted for WP is not for JG but Silvia Lim
I think the future of opposition is bright. The fact that Singaporean voted for PAP is not because they like PAP. But they have no other choice. If someone of equal abilities or better come from the opposition. people will likely voted for the opposition. You think Singaporeans are stupid to see that an absolute government is no good fo the country? We want a more free and better government but we won't risk it on someone lesser capable. -
A legal wrangling does not help WP or Singapore and WP respects that. That's why they can garner votes from people who respect them.Originally posted by LazerLordz:WP does not comment on ongoing investigations.Are you too thick to understand that?
That's why WP has my respect.
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Grandpa Lee is geeting old and senile. His daily intake of birds nest soup is no longer doing him any good. He should stop his rantings cause people are getting pissed off with his silly threats.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
a tactic used by people catching small crabs and also by some political parties is "intentional provocation"
can the thinking crowd here explain this:
[b]worker party did not say a word support
their thinking Ph D candidate(PhD one,not election candidate)
commarade while our
clever PhD CSJ
supported Gomez at 11.05.2006 essay.
Why WP have not supported Gomez in web site?
2.Gomez said Sylvia Lim saw him submitted.Lim never denied this.
After Gomez confirmed he had not submitted,Lim also
said not a single word.What was her stand ,have seen submission or not.
[/b]
In times past, it looks like Tang Liang Hong was provoked by being called a Chinese chauvanist and essentially responsed by saying "I am not".
this was enough to pull him into a legal situation and the rest is history
the best way for small crabs not to get caught is not to react but to stay hidden.
it looks as though the WP understands this tactic -
Regardless of what one thinks, LKY has done well for Singapore and still deserves the respect of all Singaporeans.Originally posted by gill_hfc:Grandpa Lee is geeting old and senile. His daily intake of birds nest soup is no longer doing him any good. He should stop his rantings cause people are getting pissed off with his silly threats.
He's still sharper than most of the younger folk because his decision making is tempered by experience.
Let there be credit where credit is due -
try asking him to give credit to the oppositionOriginally posted by ubuntu:Regardless of what one thinks, LKY has done well for Singapore and still deserves the respect of all Singaporeans.
He's still sharper than most of the younger folk because his decision making is tempered by experience.
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I will give him credit where it is due, but I will not put up with the sight of him acting like a gangster by taunting Gomez to sue him.Originally posted by ubuntu:Regardless of what one thinks, LKY has done well for Singapore and still deserves the respect of all Singaporeans.
He's still sharper than most of the younger folk because his decision making is tempered by experience.
Let there be credit where credit is due
Shucks man... when it comes to PAP, everyone keeps saying 'look at their past record'. Why does their glorious past record keep getting brought up while their more relevant current record doesn't get put under scrutiny?
To use an analogy.... I don't care if you got 292 for your PSLE ten years ago. I'm far more interested in your current CAP score in university. Likewise, I'll appreciate what the ruling party did in the past, but I'm more interested in what they've been doing recently.
Yes, let there be credit where it is due, but let there be questions when there are doubts as well. -
DAMN! That was so very well put, fudgester!Originally posted by fudgester:I will give him credit where it is due, but I will not put up with the sight of him acting like a gangster by taunting Gomez to sue him.
Shucks man... when it comes to PAP, everyone keeps saying 'look at their past record'. Why does their glorious past record keep getting brought up while their more relevant current record doesn't get put under scrutiny?
To use an analogy.... I don't care if you got 292 for your PSLE ten years ago. I'm far more interested in your current CAP score in university. Likewise, I'll appreciate what the ruling party did in the past, but I'm more interested in what they've been doing recently.
Yes, let there be credit where it is due, but let there be questions when there are doubts as well. -
i think grandpa lee should step down from politics for good.
now we are in the era of LSH and he still hang on to his power.
are singapore in so bad state that we need to many advisor to advice our PM LSH?? if they work for free i dont mind but they are getting tax payers money thus i think first of all grandpa lee should step down and get away from politics.
i read his book. i think he done alot for this country. i admire him. but seriously, should LSH being get away from the image of his father and stand on its own. otherwise, singapore would still be regards as LKY singapore.
many of many jap friends still think LKY is singapore PM. why? coz he often made official visit to other country representing singapore.
i lost my confidence in our public prosecutor dept..
firstly, it seem they can judge whether oneperson is guilty or not.
secondly, wong kan seng make it such serious issue but yet his dept, just let gomez off with a stern warning.
what wrong ?? -
As there is little or no transparency, it's left to everyone's guesswork.Originally posted by reyes:i lost my confidence in our public prosecutor dept..
firstly, it seem they can judge whether oneperson is guilty or not.
secondly, wong kan seng make it such serious issue but yet his dept, just let gomez off with a stern warning.
what wrong ?? -
Our judiciary is reasonably fair in terms of criminal and non-govt related cases.
But when the courts are asked to handle a politically-related case, obviously the courts aren't willing to put the govt in bad light.
Expect a biased outcome regardless.
The defamation suits settled in SG no longer convince me that the plaintiff is NOT GUILTY or has been WRONGLY DEFAMED.
The NKF debacle proved that. -
The Public Prosecutor has to weigh the severity of the crime against the interest of the public to prosecute.
How severe is Gomez' purported crime? Most in this forum think it is not at all severe even if true...
Is it in the public interest to prosecute? Most in this forum are against prosecution...
So if the PP has been watching the debates in this forum and considers the voices here to be representative of Singapore society, why should they prosecute even if they think Gomez is guilty?
Let him off with a warning lor.. -
I've also been brought up with values where my parents told me to be gracious and kind and that's the way I am.
---James Gomez says he does not intend to sue Minister Mentor, Channel NewsAsia, 13 May 2006
2.Oh my God!How cruel u are when u pointed the finger to the staff Mr Tan
and warned him the consequence that he lost ur form?
How did the staff and families suffer from 9.30 am 26 Apr to evening rally
Sat 29 Apr that ur honorable good self declared that u had not submitted
the minor ity form?Another minor mistake by Ph D candidate!!
U hinted staff of ELD lost ur form or pretened had not received
ur form?
If u are gracious and kind,u should declared on 27 Apr after u went
back home at 26 Apr evening to search ur brief case,as u told staff
of ELD over the phone at 1 pm 26 Apr?
u are not absent minded.u are a really thinking kind.
U make CSJ a lovely boy for CSJ so far done and spoken
openly.He had not set up Spore reputation secretly.
But u and other are real geniues----2 TV cameras were rolling
as evidences--I hv submitted the form. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Hi lionnoisy. I guess incomprehensibility is part of being noisy?
[b][url=http://jamesgomeznews.blogspot.com/]---James Gomez says he does not intend to sue Minister Mentor, Channel NewsAsia, 13 May 2006
2.Oh my God!How cruel u are when u pointed the finger to the staff Mr Tan
and warned him the consequence that he lost ur form?
How did the staff and families suffer from 9.30 am 26 Apr to evening rally
Sat 29 Apr that ur honorable good self declared that u had not submitted
the minor ity form?Another minor mistake by Ph D candidate!!
U hinted staff of ELD lost ur form or pretened had not received
ur form?
If u are gracious and kind,u should declared on 27 Apr after u went
back home at 26 Apr evening to search ur brief case,as u told staff
of ELD over the phone at 1 pm 26 Apr?
u are not absent minded.u are a really thinking kind.
U make[b] CSJ a lovely boy for CSJ so far done and spoken
openly.He had not set up Spore reputation secretly.
But u and other are real geniues----2 TV cameras were rolling
as evidences--I hv submitted the form.[/b] -
If the Public Prosecutor has found good ground to find James Gomez guilty - without any doubt - that he had used 'threatening words' towards the Officials in the Election Department - WHY did he let James Gomez off the hook ?
Surely it is against the grain of the Public Prosecutor's Office to let a guilty party off the hook ?
Is this setting a precedence in the Singapore Judicial System ?
Is the Public Prosecutor - or the Attorney-General - authorised to let a guilty party off the hook ?
Why is there so much reluctance - from the Public Prosecutor, the Police and the Home Affairs Minister - to publish those 'threatening words' that James Gomez have been accused of saying ?
If MM LKY has never told a lie in his 82 years, surely it is sheer arrogance to blatantly accuse someone of lying ?
The Establishment simply do not possess the honesty nor the graciousness to admit that there was simply NO CASE against James Gomez; and if the Public Prosecutior had gone ahead to prosecute, Singapore's standing will be very much lower in the First World Community. -
The PP does not prosecute all cases...only those cases in which it is judged to be in the public interest to prosecute. The decision whether or not to prosecute is the responsibility of the PP. That is the same the world over.
Read my earlier post...I agree it is not in the public interest to prosecute in this case.
If Gomez is innocent, then he has been defamed by MM Lee. Let him sue Lee if he thinks he can come out clean through the rigors of coss examination. -
Does anyone know anything about this powerful new move - "the cruel finger point"?Originally posted by lionnoisy:2.Oh my God!How cruel u are when u pointed the finger to the staff Mr Tan
and warned him the consequence that he lost ur form?
How did the staff and families suffer from 9.30 am 26 Apr to evening rally
Sat 29 Apr that ur honorable good self declared that u had not submitted
the minor ity form?Another minor mistake by Ph D candidate!!
U hinted staff of ELD lost ur form or pretened had not received
ur form?
I can imagine walking down the street with a powerful cruel finger and people cowering away - ahhh! the finger - dont give me the finger; anything but the finger ......
Is it anything to do with the Lee Wah jewellry ad - where the girl points her finger and blows it - could never figure it out.
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Dude...you seem like a reasonable and intelligent one, why you sprouting nonsense sometimes?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If Gomez is innocent, then he has been defamed by MM Lee. Let him sue Lee if he thinks he can come out clean through the rigors of coss examination.
Singapore courts are ridiculously loop-sided when it comes to politically implicated cases. Nobody can sue MM Lee and expect a fair trail and results in Singapore. Simple as that. It is a fact that EVERYBODY knows and singaporeans are starting to come to terms with and accept (from the fact that PAP remains strongly in power dispite its tactics).
Gomez not stupid enough to go down the path of TLH and JBJ....which is good. -
The circumstances of the case are such that it may be difficult to establish a criminal charge against Gomez beyond reasonable doubt and perhaps that's one reason the AGC decided not to prosecute.
However, Gomez would have a lower standard of proof if he would take a civil case against MM...just on the balance of probability. Since there are so many forumners who believe that he was innocent and that MM has defamed him by calling him a liar, why not clear his name?
So he may not win, but if he thinks he has a strong case, it would be difficult for the courts to dismiss him. An adverse judgment in the face of strong evidence in his favour will translate into more support for the Opposition.
Being silent, isn't he accepting the MM's description of him as being a liar and a cheat? Having been discredited and lost the elections, he will not have a place in Singapore politics again. If he tries to stand at the next election, PAP will point to his silence as acceptance of his guilt. This will overshadow any political overtures he attempts to make in the future. As such, he will become a liability for the WP. -
If this is not in the interest of the public, why did Wong KS spent hours detailing what gomez did, why TV news brocasted this over and over again, why PAP continued to target gomez? or was is that a private matter between gomez and MM?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The PP does not prosecute all cases...only those cases in which it is judged to be in the public interest to prosecute. The decision whether or not to prosecute is the responsibility of the PP. That is the same the world over.
Read my earlier post...I agree it is not in the public interest to prosecute in this case.
If Gomez is innocent, then he has been defamed by MM Lee. Let him sue Lee if he thinks he can come out clean through the rigors of coss examination.
MM certainly deserved much respect for what he did in the past, and even sometimes, but on this issue, he behaved like a gangster, "Nin pe kong li luan luan kong, beh song si boh, lai lah!"
only in singapore when ministers can call names and challenge citizens to court. -
If this is not in the interest of the public, why did Wong KS spent hours detailing what gomez did, why TV news brocasted this over and over again, why PAP continued to target gomez? or was is that a private matter between gomez and MM?
That was before the elections...after the elections, Gomez is dead as a dodo politically..there's no point kicking a dead dog. As for public interest, there is still public interest, but not public interest to prosecute him. The opinions in the forum well illustrate that.