PAP, where's Your Graciousness?
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James Gomez says he does not intend to sue Minister Mentor
Mr James Gomez says he does not plan to sue Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
He said this when contacted for his response to Minister Mentor Lee's statement on Friday.
He added that he plans to celebrate Mother's Day with his family on Sunday before returning to Sweden for work early next week.
Mr Gomez, Second Assistant Secretary-General, Workers' Party, said: "I've also been brought up with values where my parents told me to be gracious and kind and that's the way I am. And as far as the party is concerned, we're not the suing type. So I don't think l have anything more to add. I have moved on." - CNA/ch -
He has no time, he has no money, sue what sue?
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That's why... they should pick on someone with the same pocket-size...
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Should you or anyone expect our insecure MM Lee to respond to the release of James Gomez with anything less than venom?
His continued stinging rhetoric of 'lies' and 'men' are truly despicable and reminiscient of equally slanderous remarks made by JBJ and Tang Liang Hong in the past.
He is using the very 'Gutter politics' which he so aptly termed during the course of elections. Yet while he degrades that line of action, he has no shame about utilising it as he sees fit.
As someone once said, only MM Lee can say such things and get away with it. -
He can say all he wants, nobody gives a fcuk about it anymore.
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Suing or not to sue, in retrospect to what your stand is, it can also mean that person X from party Y is afraid of trial and the exposure of the TRUTH to the public.
I was in fact hoping for a lawsuit so as to better clarify the matter in details rather than leaving it to a wide divisive of public opinions. However, I do appraise the magnanimous of the Public Prosecutor to let X go with a stern warning instead.
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You think people so free meh? No need to work ar? No need to work how to earn money? No money sue what sue? People got family committments one k? You try earning a living by selling books at city hall lor.
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Are you so sure it was a 'magnanimous' decision on the part of the public prosecutor, or a calculated call made on behalf of the govt?Originally posted by TooFree:Suing or not to sue, in retrospect to what your stand is, it can also mean that person X from party Y is afraid of trial and the exposure of the TRUTH to the public.
I was in fact hoping for a lawsuit so as to better clarify the matter in details rather than leaving it to a wide divisive of public opinions. However, I do appraise the magnanimous of the Public Prosecutor to let X go with a stern warning instead.
Had he gone ahead and charged Gomez, how many more brownie points would the govt lose in moral standing and vindictive attitude?
We both know that contesting a defamation suit is a double-edged sword, i.e. it may reveal the truth or simply distort it. The NKF defamation suit proved that.
How sure are you that the 'truth and nothing but the truth' will be revealed at such a court setting, without the financial millions backing one's cause, nvm the lack of political support?
If Gomez was truly guilty, then he should be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. How can a public prosecutor play the role of judge and be 'satisfied that he was guilty' but then suddenly perform an abrupt U-turn and 'let him off the hook'?
A bigger question would be: what were the so-called 'threatening words' used by Gomez that constituted to 'criminal intimidation' of a civil servant? Why wasn't it published?
Isn't it more likely that there was never enough evidence to prove that Gomez was guilty, despite a total of at least 18 hours of questioning?
Isn't it more feasible that Wong Kan Seng's promise of a 'resolution' on this issue based on pure speculation may have prompted this entire episode, that the ultimate aim was simply to 'scare' Gomez, 'stage-managed' to perfection with support from a compliant media? -
The old man must be very mad wif the AG.
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
I agree with what you posted, but really, I think there's nothing we can do about it, and we are possibly wasting our breath & tiring ourselves out with all this negative energy over this issue.
Are you so sure it was a 'magnanimous' decision on the part of the public prosecutor, or a [b]calculated call made on behalf of the govt?
Had he gone ahead and charged Gomez, how many more brownie points would the govt lose in moral standing and vindictive attitude?
We both know that contesting a defamation suit is a double-edged sword, i.e. it may reveal the truth or simply distort it. The NKF defamation suit proved that.
How sure are you that the 'truth and nothing but the truth' will be revealed at such a court setting, without the financial millions backing one's cause, nvm the lack of political support?
If Gomez was truly guilty, then he should be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. How can a public prosecutor play the role of judge and be 'satisfied that he was guilty' but then suddenly perform an abrupt U-turn and 'let him off the hook'?
A bigger question would be: what were the so-called 'threatening words' used by Gomez that constituted to 'criminal intimidation' of a civil servant? Why wasn't it published?
Isn't it more likely that there was never enough evidence to prove that Gomez was guilty, despite a total of at least 18 hours of questioning?
Isn't it more feasible that Wong Kan Seng's promise of a 'resolution' on this issue based on pure speculation may have prompted this entire episode, that the ultimate aim was simply to 'scare' Gomez, 'stage-managed' to perfection with support from a compliant media? [/b]
However, this kind of power-play has its own cause and effects. So just let time do the job.
I just wanted them to look at themselves - just like in Eric Clapton's song; "Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself..." -
You know it's funny we once had Graciousness Campagne.
And I did mentioned how gracious a person is, depends largely on how the parents brought that person up.
This applies similarly to the people of a country. -
Gomez is politically dead...as dead as a dodo or as Steve Chia is...
No point kicking a dead bird. The government might well make him a martyr...
On the other hand, the old man is trying to bait Gomez...if Gomez sues him, Gomez will become a bankrupt and it will cast WP in a negative light. Instead of being a martyr, Gomez will look disingenuous and more of a liar -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:
I think deep down he is probably thinking....
[b]James Gomez says he does not intend to sue Minister Mentor
Mr James Gomez says he does not plan to sue Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
He said this when contacted for his response to Minister Mentor Lee's statement on Friday.
He added that he plans to celebrate Mother's Day with his family on Sunday before returning to Sweden for work early next week.
Mr Gomez, Second Assistant Secretary-General, Workers' Party, said: "I've also been brought up with values where my parents told me to be gracious and kind and that's the way I am. And as far as the party is concerned, we're not the suing type. So I don't think l have anything more to add. I have moved on." - CNA/ch [/b]
I am lucky to get away with just a warning.... at least i can spend some time with my family and have my freedom.
I would like to sue, but if i do that I will be destroyed, my family destroyed and my party also destroyed.... so i just hold my peace. -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:
To JG:
[b]James Gomez says he does not intend to sue Minister Mentor
Mr James Gomez says he does not plan to sue Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
He said this when contacted for his response to Minister Mentor Lee's statement on Friday.
He added that he plans to celebrate Mother's Day with his family on Sunday before returning to Sweden for work early next week.
Mr Gomez, Second Assistant Secretary-General, Workers' Party, said: "I've also been brought up with values where my parents told me to be gracious and kind and that's the way I am. And as far as the party is concerned, we're not the suing type. So I don't think l have anything more to add. I have moved on." - CNA/ch [/b]
Chinese idiom....
"If you still have a moutain, don't worry about not having enough firewood....." -
I see suing as MM Lee's strategy to get rid of opposition candidates that he doesn't like to see in Singapore politic arena.
Opposition has to hold its cool and let him keep barking. As long as opposition don't sue him, there's nothing he can do. In retrospect, his 'suing invites' will reflect badly on him. His old bait of 'sue me and I'll cripple you financially and get you out of politics' is potent and this tactic his served him well in the past. But in first world, this kind of tactic shows a thorough lack of graciousness. Anyway, he's more than 80 yrs old. What more can we expect from him?
PAP is long overdue for 'Graciousness 101' class.
In the meantime, I can only shake my head when I read about such suing invites from MM. -
Why old man angry with Ali G?Originally posted by Manager433:The old man must be very mad wif the AG. -
Didn't old man once say that he didn't want Singapore to become a litigious society like in USA?
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these days oppositions are smart. they wont fall into the same trap MM Lee has been using..just ignore him n get on with one's life...there's nothing he can do anyway..
moreover, court is his supreme territory..no way u can have any chance... -
Graciousness? Simi lai eh?
Speech below taken from:
http://www.wp.sg/ge2006/speeches.php
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Friday, 5 May 2006
Low Thia Khiang's Speech at Serangoon Stadium
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Right from the onset, we look forward to an election where we would be able to challenge and debate with the PAP on issues and policies that people are concerned with. We are not interested in pock barrel politics.
However, even before our manifesto hit the public, the PAP asked us to change our manifesto. Then before Parliament was dissolved, PAP wanted WP to introduce our candidates. Midway through our election campaign, PAP wanted us to withdraw James Gomez from the Aljunied team.
This is typical of the PAP. They are arrogant with a “We know what’s best” attitude. Let me tell them this – WP is not subject to the PAP; Nor are we afraid. We have our own mind!
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We fully agree that honesty and integrity are important traits for MPs. So right from the onset of the campaign, I have instructed all our candidates NOT to make any personal attacks or baseless allegations against the PAP.
I believe we must have a more civilized political culture and political engagement must be based on facts and debate and NOT name-calling. An open debate on policies and issues will give us a better understanding of the policies and intent of the government. And with this, people can participate more actively in decision-making of policies that affect them.
Disappointingly however, the PAP candidates behaved otherwise. Even new candidates got inducted into the PAP’s culture of making offensive remarks about opposition very quickly. Some of them even equate us as horse and donkey. One new PAP candidate for Ang Mo Kio GRC, Lee Bee Hwa, who spoke in Mandarin over Channel 8, 6.30pm news on 30 April, said that “Workers’ Party candidates may have integrity problems. ”
This is uncalled for. I did not demand an apology as sheÂ’s new and people make mistakes. A minister also called WP the Wayang Party. They are not only defaming our candidates but our party as well. Do you know what would happen if an opposition MP said this?
I have told the press during the introduction of our candidates that they were selected based on 3Cs and 2Ps – credibility, capablility, character, passion and public spiritedness.
We are coming to the end of the election campaign period and I have observed how our candidates have carried themselves this election. It has reinforced my confidence in them. The PAP is also unable to dig out any skeletons about our WP candidates. Why? Because there are none!
The PAP has questioned the intention of James Gomez with regards to the minority certificate. I have asked all potential minority candidates to apply for one in case of a strategic switch in constituency. The Malay candidate for Ang Mo Kio, Abdul Salim, has also applied for one although we already have Gopal Khrisnan there as our minority candidate. This is the reason why James went to apply for the certificate.
As this episode has caused much distress to the Election Department unwittingly, we have asked James to apologise and this he did. I have spoken at length to James on this and have not found any evidence to prove that James is dishonest in this context.
It is unfair for George Yeo to use the analogy of a thief on James. What has James stolen from the Election Department?
None of our WorkersÂ’ Party candidates have made any personal attacks on the PAP candidates. None of them have raised any issues on race or religion to incite the people. On the contrary, our candidates have spoken responsibly on issues and concerns raised by the people.
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Originally posted by ObviousMan:
In short: WP stuck to the game plan. The Ruling Party simply lost the plot.
Graciousness? Simi lai eh?
Speech below taken from:
http://www.wp.sg/ge2006/speeches.php
___________________________________________________
Friday, 5 May 2006
Low Thia Khiang's Speech at Serangoon Stadium
(Excerpt)
........................
Right from the onset, we look forward to an election where we would be able to challenge and debate with the PAP on issues and policies that people are concerned with. We are not interested in pock barrel politics.
However, even before our manifesto hit the public, the PAP asked us to change our manifesto. Then before Parliament was dissolved, PAP wanted WP to introduce our candidates. Midway through our election campaign, PAP wanted us to withdraw James Gomez from the Aljunied team.
This is typical of the PAP. They are arrogant with a “We know what’s best” attitude. Let me tell them this – WP is not subject to the PAP; Nor are we afraid. We have our own mind!
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We fully agree that honesty and integrity are important traits for MPs. So right from the onset of the campaign, I have instructed all our candidates NOT to make any personal attacks or baseless allegations against the PAP.
I believe we must have a more civilized political culture and political engagement must be based on facts and debate and NOT name-calling. An open debate on policies and issues will give us a better understanding of the policies and intent of the government. And with this, people can participate more actively in decision-making of policies that affect them.
[b]Disappointingly however, the PAP candidates behaved otherwise. Even new candidates got inducted into the PAP’s culture of making offensive remarks about opposition very quickly. Some of them even equate us as horse and donkey. One new PAP candidate for Ang Mo Kio GRC, Lee Bee Hwa, who spoke in Mandarin over Channel 8, 6.30pm news on 30 April, said that “Workers’ Party candidates may have integrity problems. ”
This is uncalled for. I did not demand an apology as sheÂ’s new and people make mistakes. A minister also called WP the Wayang Party. They are not only defaming our candidates but our party as well. Do you know what would happen if an opposition MP said this?
I have told the press during the introduction of our candidates that they were selected based on 3Cs and 2Ps – credibility, capablility, character, passion and public spiritedness.
We are coming to the end of the election campaign period and I have observed how our candidates have carried themselves this election. It has reinforced my confidence in them. The PAP is also unable to dig out any skeletons about our WP candidates. Why? Because there are none!
The PAP has questioned the intention of James Gomez with regards to the minority certificate. I have asked all potential minority candidates to apply for one in case of a strategic switch in constituency. The Malay candidate for Ang Mo Kio, Abdul Salim, has also applied for one although we already have Gopal Khrisnan there as our minority candidate. This is the reason why James went to apply for the certificate.
As this episode has caused much distress to the Election Department unwittingly, we have asked James to apologise and this he did. I have spoken at length to James on this and have not found any evidence to prove that James is dishonest in this context.
It is unfair for George Yeo to use the analogy of a thief on James. What has James stolen from the Election Department?
None of our WorkersÂ’ Party candidates have made any personal attacks on the PAP candidates. None of them have raised any issues on race or religion to incite the people. On the contrary, our candidates have spoken responsibly on issues and concerns raised by the people.
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