people worldwide laugh at sg - The Age
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Many in Singapore do not use their brains. So you are just wasting your time. They go by the "common sense" that they have been fed day in and out by the propaganda newspapers.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Come on dude, open ur mind up a little more. If u can, do read Francis Seow's "To catch a tartar" and Chee's book on political freedom in Asia. It details his interview with Chia Thye Hock.
These people make excellent North Korean comrades. They cannot imagine a world other than what they have been brainwashed into accepting. -
So far, death penalty in Singapore has made the murderers paid for their crime, drugs traffickers paid for the harms they caused to drug users, and it certainly makes singapore a safer place to live and raise families. As long as those executed received fair trials, and before laws are changed for better control of traffickers and murderers, highest execution rate means there are more murderers and drug traffickers are prevented from commiting the crimes again. don't see anything reprehensible about that.Originally posted by casino_king:What does highest execution rate tell us?
It tells us that Singapore has the highest execution rate. Reprehensible.
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Singapore scores highly on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index: it is ranked No. 5 of 158 countries. The Global Competitiveness Report ranks Singapore No. 6 of 117 economies.
The Government likes to broadcast these figures. But it doesn't broadcast that it executes more people per head a year than almost anywhere else. Reporters Without Borders has Singapore No. 140 of 167 countries for media freedom.
if such figures are widely broadcasts, the people would be inclined to go online to search for a second opinion, instead of relying on the papers. The govenment would never allow that to happen.
Increasingly, people around the world are beginning to laugh at Singapore; they laugh at its Government's petty and self-serving restrictions on what people can and cannot do. But in Singapore, many people are unaware of this because the government-controlled media feed them a diet of only good news stories.
I cannot agree more with this paragraph. An example. Whenever we make a good investment, or GDP rises, it never fails to hit the headlines. When projects such as the suzhou investment fails, whatever reports on it, if any, is restricted to a small section in the newspapers.
Race relations are often used as an excuse for restrictions. But Singapore has one of the most homogeneous race profiles in the world: 77 per cent are Chinese, the rest comprise Malays and Indians. Singapore does not have the racial complexities of many countries.
this is just one example on the excuses the govt gives. Another example. PM Lee mentioned during the election campaign that having opposition in parliment would decrease its efficiency as he had to spend time to "fix" the opposition.
Now tell me, which first world government in the world does not have a strong opposition? Please, we are out of nationbuilding stage. We need a strong opposition not only to serve as checks, but also to catch us should our government one day fall apart.
No viable opposition has been allowed to form, and without robust national debate Singaporeans are becoming politically de-skilled. Accordingly, the Government comprises plenty of ministers but few politicians, and there is little elegance to their art. They know only how to clobber: too often alternative viewpoints are responded to with public humiliation, threats, defamation writs and detention. Business should consider these aspects and not just competitiveness when assessing Singapore as a place for investment.
The government does not decide if the opposition makes or breaks. I repeat, the government DOES NOT decide if the opposition makes or breaks. It is the people who are casting the votes, and deciding whether the opposition is able to grow.
However, the government can sway the minds of the people through the media, which it controls, and the laws introduced to handicap the opposition. It already controls the local media, however, it is unable to control globalisation and the internet. Hence, when more people start using the internet to source for alternative views, the government responds by banning podcasts and political blogs, leaving the only alternative source of news to the global watchdogs who are monitering our political scene here. Since the govt cannot control these overseas reporters, they issue statements telling foreigners to stop interfering in our country's issues.
Does this sound like a democratic society to you?
He says Singapore has a good legal system. That is true, but only compared with Indonesia, the Philippines, China and Thailand. Laws that have not had the benefit of open public debate and passage through a robust parliament are not really laws but decrees.
Good legal system? I want to know why the ISD are able to detain political activists for an indefinate amount of time when there is no trial, no evidence, and they have no chance to defend themselves.
I want to know why our esteemed, highly educated leaders of the judicary are unable to detect the unfairness in the recent GE when many ordinary singaporeans are able to do so.
Here is the pledge which students have recited daily, from young:
We, the citizens of singapore, pledge ourselves as one united people. Regardless of race, language or religion. To build a democratic society, based on justice and equality. So as to achieve happiness, prosperity, and progress for our nation.
Ask your conscience. How many of the traits in the pledge have we fufilled, or even ATTEMPTED to fufill?
happiness? yes. my friends and family.
prosperity? progress? I'm not so certain about that since jobs are being given to foriegners while singaporeans fend for themselves.
democratic. justice. equality. I think its obvious enough whether we have these 3. -
big fcking deal. u think those fcking nobles care about how you live and what you think? its their pocket 1st ok.
u think u'll be able to change the situation here? scold them to death here? or waiting for the lightning to strike them down?
pure simple logic. its either we stayed here continue to get Fcuked happily like no tommorrow or think of a way to fcking get out of here -
Cash in HDB and CPF and run for your lives! If some other countries want you. Heard that there are 100K Sporeans in Australia alone. Canada?
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this is MY country. i love my country. i dont see why singaporeans should be the ones getting out of their own country.Originally posted by killstyle:big fcking deal. u think those fcking nobles care about how you live and what you think? its their pocket 1st ok.
u think u'll be able to change the situation here? scold them to death here? or waiting for the lightning to strike them down?
pure simple logic. its either we stayed here continue to get Fcuked happily like no tommorrow or think of a way to fcking get out of here
if you think you cant do anything, then you cant.
i think that i can do something. i can educate the politically uneducated and the brainwashed. the govt should fear the people, not the other way around. -
Look at CSJ abd JBJ... fight for what? Here will always work to your death for nothing in the end. Australia garbage collector also better than manager here... can retire early with their pay and with the cost of housing, transport and medical there... you need contact for property agent in Aust PM me...
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quite obvious. u have 3 choices now.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:this is MY country. i love my country. i dont see why singaporeans should be the ones getting out of their own country.
if you think you cant do anything, then you cant.
i think that i can do something. i can educate the politically uneducated and the brainwashed. the govt should fear the people, not the other way around.
1.Stay and get fcuked happily
2.Stay and be another JBJ or CSJ
3.Get away from here to a better life elsewhere
yes only these 3.
crystal clear? -
oh yea. u want the 4th choice.Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:this is MY country. i love my country. i dont see why singaporeans should be the ones getting out of their own country.
if you think you cant do anything, then you cant.
i think that i can do something. i can educate the politically uneducated and the brainwashed. the govt should fear the people, not the other way around.
4. Stay, fight and win.
u think u wat? Sun yat sen? -
nah. you have 3 choices. i dont.Originally posted by killstyle:quite obvious. u have 3 choices now.
1.Stay and get fcuked happily
2.Stay and be another JBJ or CSJ
3.Get away from here to a better life elsewhere
yes only these 3.
crystal clear?
i have 4.
4. increase awareness on singapore politics
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How did mr Sun get into the picture?Originally posted by killstyle:oh yea. u want the 4th choice.
4. Stay, fight and win.
u think u wat? Sun yat sen? You think they will not fix him? -
Dr Sun tried to incite a nationwide revolt 12 times and he fail 11 times.
u know how big china is, u know how much effort wasted, time wasted, how many of his close family and frends die for that 11 times?
while hes failing all these times, meanwhile the qing goverment assassins is hounding him down like a mad dog half across the globe. he ran from japan to taiwan to hawaii to singapore to malaysia, and there is no commerical plane back then. and hes living on a hair breath. one mistake made. one train missed. thats it.
very shiok indeed.
think u can afford to fail that one time? and we are not talking abot the qing goverment today. we are talking about the super-brutal-efficent goverment.
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dr chee has been "slaughtered" many times over.Originally posted by killstyle:Dr Sun tried to incite a nationwide revolt 12 times and he fail 11 times.
u know how big china is, u know how much effort wasted, time wasted, how many of his close family and frends die for that 11 times?
while hes failing all these times, meanwhile the qing goverment assassins is hounding him down like a mad dog half across the globe. he ran from japan to taiwan to hawaii to singapore to malaysia, and there is no commerical plane back then. and hes living on a hair breath. one mistake made. one train missed. thats it.
very shiok indeed.
think u can afford to fail that one time? and we are not talking abot the qing goverment today. we are talking about the super-brutal-efficent goverment.
can imagine or not.
yet, the paps cannot do much to him, besides bankrupting him, because he has already somewhat succeeded by gaining internationla support. he has many powerful contacts backing him. -
No lah, sg just beri beri small..... get you and me anytime one. also nobody support one if anybody try to incite riots....Originally posted by killstyle:Dr Sun tried to incite a nationwide revolt 12 times and he fail 11 times.
u know how big china is, u know how much effort wasted, time wasted, how many of his close family and frends die for that 11 times?
while hes failing all these times, meanwhile the qing goverment assassins is hounding him down like a mad dog half across the globe. he ran from japan to taiwan to hawaii to singapore to malaysia, and there is no commerical plane back then. and hes living on a hair breath. one mistake made. one train missed. thats it.
very shiok indeed.
think u can afford to fail that one time? and we are not talking abot the qing goverment today. we are talking about the super-brutal-efficent goverment.
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Hey, look on the bright side. At least SG gov is trying to follow Sun Yat Sen. He was the one who invent chinese newspapers. Clearly for his propaganda against the Qing dynasty. But Sun made chinese papers special. knowing alot of ppl then can't be bothered to read what's wrong with the government, he placed short stories on the papers, therefore attracting ppl to read his papers.
But look what our gov is trying to do. trying to earn $ from their propaganda -
Give him a break lahOriginally posted by killstyle:oh yea. u want the 4th choice.
4. Stay, fight and win.
u think u wat? Sun yat sen?
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Well I do agree with some of the points in the article but I feel that there is selective emphasis on most of the points that discredit singapore while ignoring those that shows the good side of singapore.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Come on dude, open ur mind up a little more. If u can, do read Francis Seow's "To catch a tartar" and Chee's book on political freedom in Asia. It details his interview with Chia Thye Hock.
Besides I tend to ignore criticism however well-intended from people whose country has high marijuana smoking rates and condones drug traficking. There I am generalising as well -
I agree that we should be critical of the information our newspapers are feeding us. Like what someone has posted in forum that "Singapore doesn't have journalists but propagandists".Originally posted by casino_king:Many in Singapore do not use their brains. So you are just wasting your time. They go by the "common sense" that they have been fed day in and out by the propaganda newspapers.
These people make excellent North Korean comrades. They cannot imagine a world other than what they have been brainwashed into accepting.
Still one must learn also not to 100% believe information from other sources as well especially ones that easily give rise to feelings of hate, anger and disgust. Those are great selling points if you ask me -
ah......the worm has come and made a ruse here again...........Originally posted by vito_corleone:this chap here is about as intellectual as a medival peasant -
no flame no gameOriginally posted by gohkatkat:ah......the worm has come and made a ruse here again........... -
but he is the pacific worm thats NOT INVITED CORDIALLY HERE!
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Originally posted by vito_corleone:this chap here is about as intellectual as a medival peasant So true!...a typical singaporean
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Totally agree with you... the people are the resource of the nation . lets see what will happen if for 1 day all of us just sit back at home and enjoy life for a week... lets just see what will happen to our economy...Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:this is MY country. i love my country. i dont see why singaporeans should be the ones getting out of their own country.
if you think you cant do anything, then you cant.
i think that i can do something. i can educate the politically uneducated and the brainwashed. the govt should fear the people, not the other way around.
unfortunately , we have been brainwashed for generations... we just need to gain the support of the people and there will be no bounds of what we are able to achieve... we have to take them down by force. -
If you read up on Operation Coldstore , you might learn more.Originally posted by DriftingGuy:Most of the article is old news but the paragraphs on torture seems a little extreme. It suggests that the author tries to liken singapore to countries like china and iraq which practices torture
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it tells that singapore's law is iron handed. however soon i will tell you the answer once my law cource commencesOriginally posted by sgdiehard:There is no death penalty in oz so there is no comparison. Figures on per capita basis, or average values usually do not reveal the true situation and are used to suit the users' own agenda. The government can say that the singaporean's average income is around US$24,000 but with the very highly paid ministers salaries, you do not see the poor income of the lower rank in the society.
What does highest execution rate tell us? there are more murderers in singapore? more drugs traffickers in singapore? execution rate in oz is 0, does it mean there are no murderers there, no drug traffickers there?