people worldwide laugh at sg - The Age
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its a lovely song. it reminds lots of people of that 80s cult cyberflick Tron. Hey in fact that thing is like an older concept of the matrix. a VR world thing. its er... i guess a eurotrance thing, but its a kewl song. and a kewl MTV. plus lots of hot people in it. esp the bit where a gal has this liquid that glows blue under UV light slowly dribbling from the corner of her mouth and hot hot lips....Originally posted by LazerLordz:in a hypothetical dream world cup.
what's the song about? is is some eurodance thing?
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Originally posted by HENG@:its a lovely song. it reminds lots of people of that 80s cult cyberflick Tron. Hey in fact that thing is like an older concept of the matrix. a VR world thing. its er... i guess a eurotrance thing, but its a kewl song. and a kewl MTV. plus lots of hot people in it. esp the bit where a gal has this liquid that glows blue under UV light slowly dribbling from the corner of her mouth and hot hot lips....
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they still are. oh if u saw all the kewl cyberpunks i see often at camden, or angel islington(where my uni is), u'd say it rocks!Originally posted by LazerLordz: I see. Cyberflicks were all the rage then ..
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that's what's happening now, not for the smart and knowledgable, but the cunning and pasty scholars in governmentOriginally posted by sgdiehard:If the vast majority of our countrymen are retards, ignorant and are willing to be exploited, and deserve to suffer, would it be a great place for those who are smart and knowledgable to make use of such opportunities, at least make money out of them.
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Juz another foreigner trying to prove his intelligence by telling us something he thinks we dont know.
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so apathy is better then?Originally posted by NiteSg:Juz another foreigner trying to prove his intelligence by telling us something he thinks we dont know.
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what are you trying to sayOriginally posted by fudgester:Another fine example of sheer political apathy here.
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Originally posted by HENG@:in other words, they lack the guts to take a risk for a possible change for the better?
i mean seriously, if majority of singaporeans are so gutless, they do indeed deserve to live and suffer under the thumb of the PAP. And the minority who have the guts probably deserve to leave the country for a better place. A place and a chance to be a respected 2nd class citizen than a marginalized 3rd class citizen in THEIR OWN GODAMNED COUNTRY.
People do not radically push for a change unless some unforeseen events befall this country. Political crisis are usually coupled with economic downturn. Social divide is an issue and a long term one about to erupt if the gap between the social elites and the poors continue to drift apart. Never had before rational men fighting for the sake of human rights at the expense of throwing a country into turmoil unless one is a radical and aliken to devil of chaos.Originally posted by LazerLordz:A lot of ignorant fools. Very much a stack of the stupid + pasty bin.
By resorting to name calling on fellow Singaporeans is barbarism and ungentlemenly. One's have to understand that getting the government to open up to ideas and relaxation of the law is a slow process yet achievable if one keeps believing in it. Given the good job so far and the blessing of our country economic strength, it would be equally hard to bring down a group of capable people at the top. What revolution leader need is aplenty of support from the citizens and that support is from mingling and speaking their languages not resorting to putting them down. This is like 'Yang Bin Qian Ri, Yong Zhan Yi Shi'. You think oppositions are unable to garner support for people to vote for them if a wrong move is taken by the imcumbent government? Contrary, that also explain why that the PAP is so protective of their reputation and integrity. Either you have no faith with the opposition or you degrade your own fellow citizens. Is our country in the midst of crisis? Are we facing economic downward trend? Has corruption taken root? Is there social inequality? - If not, why should we rise to the occasion - Fellow SG Citizen.
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no indeed. a sudden unforseen event that befalls this country warrents a radiacal push for change. however if u lower the same country into the same state of shit slowly over 30 40 years, u get the people who slowly adapted to being so used to that shit that they refuse to change it even tho they know its shit. no indeed. i see your logic.Originally posted by TooFree:People do not radically push for a change unless some unforeseen events befall this country. Political crisis are usually coupled with economic downturn. Social divide is an issue and a long term one about to erupt if the gap between the social elites and the poors continue to drift apart. Never had before rational men fighting for the sake of human rights at the expense of throwing a country into turmoil unless one is a radical and aliken to devil of chaos. -
No one stays on top forever, and for those to assume that they will always do so, its a pinnacle of hubris that we should not emulate.Originally posted by TooFree:People do not radically push for a change unless some unforeseen events befall this country. Political crisis are usually coupled with economic downturn. Social divide is an issue and a long term one about to erupt if the gap between the social elites and the poors continue to drift apart. Never had before rational men fighting for the sake of human rights at the expense of throwing a country into turmoil unless one is a radical and aliken to devil of chaos.
By resorting to name calling on fellow Singaporeans is barbarism and ungentlemenly. One's have to understand that getting the government to open up to ideas and relaxation of the law is a slow process yet achievable if one keeps believing in it. Given the good job so far and the blessing of our country economic strength, it would be equally hard to bring down a group of capable people at the top. What revolution leader need is aplenty of support from the citizens and that support is from mingling and speaking their languages not resorting to putting them down. This is like 'Yang Bin Qian Ri, Yong Zhan Yi Shi'. You think oppositions are unable to garner support for people to vote for them if a wrong move is taken by the imcumbent government? Contrary, that also explain why that the PAP is so protective of their reputation and integrity. Either you have no faith with the opposition or you degrade your own fellow citizens. Is our country in the midst of crisis? Are we facing economic downward trend? Has corruption taken root? Is there social inequality? - If not, why should we rise to the occasion - Fellow SG Citizen.
They have done good in certain aspects, but human development is not one of them. our HDI index is one of the lowest in the aspects of civil and political education.
Oh, and do look at this index. See the honorable friends we share the non-ratification of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.You speak of acheiving an idealised position, and you say it's possible..
http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indicators.cfm?x=273&y=1&z=1
If you look in the context of political empowerment and informed civil society activities and policies, we are stupid and ignorant, you and I included. We deviate from norms because they seem to upset a certain balance, which seems not to be in the nation's interest at all.
If you choose to draw your conclusions from the very semiotic foundation of my one-liner, it only shows you have not been able to grasp a wide spectrum of contextual evidence and reasons for that simple phrase of mine. -
Yahh... hahaOriginally posted by OO_OO_OO:really? wow. i cant believe the editors allowed it to get published then.. i think the editor must have suffered the same fate :p
The Editor was transferred to the Straits Times or to some other MediaCorp department after getting a knuckle-busting... Was in SMH and teh Star in 2003. Obviously not in Today or ST. Even NST had it... -
when the time comes where we really drastically need a change in leadership, our country will be in deep sh!t because we have to experienced opposition. the opposition have little exposure in parliment... how would they be able to take over leadership?Originally posted by HENG@:no indeed. a sudden unforseen event that befalls this country warrents a radiacal push for change. however if u lower the same country into the same state of shit slowly over 30 40 years, u get the people who slowly adapted to being so used to that shit that they refuse to change it even tho they know its shit. no indeed. i see your logic.
i think our government is being very selfish in this aspect. they care more about themselves than the country. they should know that no party is unfallable and we do need a strong opposition as a back up government. Since they do not allow our opposition to grow, they are obviously only thinking about their own careers instead of the country's future. -
TooFree,Originally posted by TooFree:People do not radically push for a change unless some unforeseen events befall this country. Political crisis are usually coupled with economic downturn. Social divide is an issue and a long term one about to erupt if the gap between the social elites and the poors continue to drift apart. Never had before rational men fighting for the sake of human rights at the expense of throwing a country into turmoil unless one is a radical and aliken to devil of chaos.
By resorting to name calling on fellow Singaporeans is barbarism and ungentlemenly. One's have to understand that getting the government to open up to ideas and relaxation of the law is a slow process yet achievable if one keeps believing in it. Given the good job so far and the blessing of our country economic strength, it would be equally hard to bring down a group of capable people at the top. What revolution leader need is aplenty of support from the citizens and that support is from mingling and speaking their languages not resorting to putting them down. This is like 'Yang Bin Qian Ri, Yong Zhan Yi Shi'. You think oppositions are unable to garner support for people to vote for them if a wrong move is taken by the imcumbent government? Contrary, that also explain why that the PAP is so protective of their reputation and integrity. Either you have no faith with the opposition or you degrade your own fellow citizens. Is our country in the midst of crisis? Are we facing economic downward trend? Has corruption taken root? Is there social inequality? - If not, why should we rise to the occasion - Fellow SG Citizen.
1) That was true in the past. Look at USA now; you can't really say that USA is undergoing an economic crisis. Even less so for China. And yet, there are groups in both countries trying to push for radical change. HK wants self-government democratic-style; Taiwan wants independence. The anti-war lobby want an end to the war and the Open-Closet Movement is fighting for the legalization of gay-marriage; soem of them want to overturn the Supreme Court Justice board. China is a better example, of course... not to mention Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
2) Name-calling certainly shouldn't be done. Then, both sides call each otehr names. Even the government has its own collection of "nicknames" such as "the impetuous ones", "softies", "quitters", "Westernised anarchists" etc. So, teh government, being the paradigm of Singaporean civilization, should not resort to such name-calling either. That aside, believing in things is insufficient sometimes; you have to do certain things to achieve those goals. Getting the government to change its attitudes and open up is a slow process, especially for a government that has been entrenched in power for so long that it takes its precedents as a "mandate" and as an unbreakable law-code. Dr Tony Tan himself observed, on the Discovery Channel Documentary that "the danger is that after having such a successful model for so many years, the leadership is unwilling to remake it to suit new times." And this is worsened by teh our impressive economic growth record that simply blinds out other areas in which we haven't grown very well. We have had a lopsided development pattern. Most of the developed countries had their cultural flourishings before the Industrial Revolution in the 19th C. Britain had hers during the Elizabethan Era, France's was in the era bfore the Crusades. On the other hand, Singapore hasn't had much cultural flourishing despite the phenomenal growth. And matters are not improved by how our development rapidly erases old buildings from the landscape befroe they can even be gazetted for conservation; of coruse, I suppose, part of this is due to land shortage, bit still ... THe "good job" is only in economy; look beyond that and there isn't a very rosy picture. We are beginning to become like Japan, with its pehnomenal stress-rates and suicide-rates. We definitely need a supplied catalyst to bring about political change.
Crisis does not need to be economic. We are in a crisis indeed- a social crisis. Income gaps are widening, people are getting more stressed and depressed, what more evidence do we need? And worst of all, apathy rates are rising. Corruption? What does NKF tell you? WHy did our government choose to maintain that it was running deficits when all the while in the 1990s it had massive budget surpluses? Why are the government's salaries the only wages that tend to rise. Sure, it's not illegal, and that makes it ever more devious. The PAP also seems to be becoming far too interested to perform character assassinations. If it is so confident of its "strong mandate", why does it have to care about James Gomez? And notice the ST wording; they want to change their "image". THey are not looking to change the core functionings; they are just doing Real Politick. THere is no more sincerity left in the Party as an institution, even if there is in some of its members. The organization needs a bad whitewash, unfortunately its higher-level members are entranced by the ideals it suppsoedly possesses. This government has no more idealism left in reality; it is ruling by pure pragmatism.
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Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:
We must have more faith in our SINGAPORE RESOURCEFULNESS to meet every and any unexpected challenges.
when the time comes where we really drastically need a change in leadership, our country will be in deep sh!t because we have to experienced opposition. the opposition have little exposure in parliment... how would they be able to take over leadership?
Just as you and I will face with unexpected challenges that we have never been prepared, trained or informed of, we will normally depend on our individual upbringing, our individual training, and most of all OUR COMIBINED SHARED EXPERIENCE to overcome any NEW CHALLENGES that we are faced with.
Should we remain paralyse and wait for another TEN YEARS simply because the present lot of POLITICIANS from the ALTERNATIVE PARTIES are inexperienced ?
MM LKY was just a young, ambitious and brash lawyer, a virgin politician in the 1950s, personally politicking with a Singapore Government that was crumbling without a penny in the Finance Ministry during the rule of Chief Minister Lim Yew Hock.
Yet in 1959 - at the age of 35 years and without any training or preparation, LKY became the the FIRST Prime Miinister of an Internal Self-Governing Singapore.
Will the next Government - whether from the incumbent Political Party or from the Alternative Political Party - start from such a crumbling Singapore structure ?
Hardly so, not unless the present incumbent Political Party intend to bankrupt the new incoming Government - (formed by the Alternative Party), by passing legislations that prevent the incoming government from touching the SINGAPORE Reserves as already legislated.
As I had mentioned before, even the UK PM Tony Blair came into No 10 Downing Street without any training as a Prime Minister, and he turned UK into a humming dynamo for the last ten years.
Why should we believe the big lie that Singapore CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT THE CONTINUED RULE OF THE POWER OF ONE ?
You are certainly correct about the present Singapore Government being VERY SELFISH - in that they care more about securing Singapore for their own continued political survival than for the good of Singapore.
i think our government is being very selfish in this aspect. they care more about themselves than the country. they should know that no party is unfallable and we do need a strong opposition as a back up government. Since they do not allow our opposition to grow, they are obviously only thinking about their own careers instead of the country's future.
Is there any institution in place that will be politically blind to serve any new incoming government that need not necessarily be formed by their own political party ?
Every structure of the Public Administration, Civil Service, Judiciary, Government Linked Companies, are all linked to the incumbent political party - much like the behemoth of the Soviet Central Communist Party, or the Chinese Communist Party.
If ever the situation arise, when Singaporeans vote an Alternative Political Party to form the next Government, will the appointment holders in the GIC, Temasek Group, ST Engineering, Sembawang-Keppel Group, DBS Bank, Capital Land, bow to the instructions of the NEW Government ?
The situation is dangerously volatile - what with the New Government formed by the Alternative Political Party, but the SINGAPORE Assets will continue to be managed by members of the outgoing political party - who hold the reins and keys to these Singapore Institutions.
This is the weak structure that MM LKY has built for Singapore.
It is similar to a father who will not plan for a house that will be divided on his passing, and stubbornly refuse to accept that his offsprings may not necessarily continue his genetic genius; and hence is prepared to risk having his house crumble against all odds.
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last i know the crest on my passport says "singapore passport"Originally posted by NiteSg:Juz another foreigner trying to prove his intelligence by telling us something he thinks we dont know. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
yes. lky thinks his word is law and his word is the best answer.
Such is the vanity of a person who believes in his own genius, and take himself too seriously for his own good.
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how many times has he seriously consulted others before making a decision?? whats the point of regret after that if thats the case?